Atheists take on baptisms with de-baptisms
source: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/atheists-conduct-de-baptisms/story?id=11109379
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Initially comedic in its impact, this story actually points to the indoctrination of children into religious worlds in which they may find themselves not identifying with.
"Wielding a blow-dryer, a leading atheist conducted a mass "de-baptism" of fellow non-believers and symbolically dried up the offending waters that were sprinkled on their foreheads as young children.
At the annual American Atheists Convention, one of atheism's premier provocateurs, Edwin Kagin, faced the crowd and raised high a hairdryer labeled "Reason and Truth."
Said one woman who travelled from Cincinnati to undergo the de-baptism, "I was baptized Catholic. I don't remember any of it at all." The woman, Cambridge Boxterman, 24, added, "According to my mother I screamed like a banshee, and those are her words, so you can see that even as a young child I didn't want to be baptized. It's not fair. I was born atheist and they were forcing me to become Catholic."
Kagin, who is American Atheists' national legal director, firmly believes that regardless of one's religious beliefs, each person has the right to say or do what he or she wants, provided it is within the law. In the past, he has reportedly called out parents who subject their children to strict fundamentalist religious education, referring to it as child abuse."
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putdownmypants
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With all the horrible news lately, finally a story that puts a smile on my face. I knew all I had to do was search the term "atheism."
I'm glad my mom, as well as her parents, were not religious. I would never forgive them if I were baptized. Even if I found out I could be de-baptized. - 1 year ago
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putdownmypants
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Cubejam
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Personally I think it's wrong to force children who can't even speak yet into a religion. Many are just brainwashed into a religion.
- 1 year ago
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Cubejam
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Cubejam
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"American Atheists Convention" - It had to be America didn't it?
It does to things, as soon as I see that.
A) damages Americas reputation. Since the "only in America" comment is quite widely used.
B) strengthens the argument against atheism.Ah dear. Interesting article mind.
- 1 year ago
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Cubejam
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Orion_Blastar
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Cubejam:
Actually Atheists,HGBLTT etc can be just as good Americans as any theist or deist could be a good American. Religion or lack of religion or sexual orientation or gender, etc has nothing to do with having a person be a bad person. It is only content of character people should be judged by. I don't protest funerals of people who served the US military branches and died to protect our freedoms. If I wasn't so sick and poor I've visit some of their families and give them a medal for their relatives who died for the USA and the rest of us to keep our freedoms. I think Fundamentalist Christians like the Westborogh Baptist church and Fred Phelps are wrong for doing that and not real Christians.
A person is only a bad person when they do bad things, but in reality the bad decision, bad actions, bad behavior is the real bad person and everyone is flawed. Forgiveness should be a part of everyone's content of character to reform and become a good person and learn from mistakes to become better. That is what evolution and natural election is all about and ethics and morals are develop that way. A bad person can be turned into a good person, and a person is not automatically bad because of their choice of religion or lack of religion or sexual orientation or gender or anything else for that mater like race, color of skin, national origin, disability, age, handicap, etc.
I keep saying it, but I get mocked. I keep saying it but someone hacks my computer and Wifi, I keep saying it and people hack my accounts or steal my profile picture and call me a jammer whatever that means. I keep saying it and scripts are made to block reading my comments. I keep saying it and I get insults and logical fallacies made towards me. None of the bad stuff any of you do or say to me will force me to leave or change my mind. (just a small fraction of the people here do this, most of you are great for not doing those things).
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Orion_Blastar
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mr_tibbles
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This is retarded. It's obviously more about pissing off Christians than fighting indoctrination. If they really want to win over people who are questioning their faith, then they need to stop this childish bullshit and act like the intelligent individuals they claim to be.
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mr_tibbles
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Orion_Blastar
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mr_tibbles:
Yeah these fake atheists are either religious people pretending to be atheists to discredit them, or really all that stupid and bigoted. Not only that but they don't even understand they are doing the same things they accuse relligious people of doing and making an atheist dogma and turning atheism and science into a religion that recruits and converts people.
Look at this motivational poster. Abe Lincoln was an atheist? Then why did he hold prayers at the White House and give sermons on Sunday? Charles Darwin was a Christian and had questions about creationism, he never was an atheist and he kept any refences to God out of it to make it neutral but if someone says it proves or disproves God, they are ignorant of how Darwin's theories worked or the fact that science cannot be used to prove or disprove God. Ben Franklin, atheist? Rubbish, he made the quote that said "Mankind will one day either be ruled by God or Tyrants" and if we was an atheist why make up quotes like that and others that reference God or Nature's God is where our rights, freedoms, and liberties came from, and Tyrants even if they claim to be religious don't believe in God or else they would not be Tyrants. Albert Einstein was Jewish.
Look, no research done, no fact checking at all, easily disproved, but the fake atheists eat this stuff up and troll with it. You prove how wrong they are, and you get an angry email in your inbox from them using swear words that would make a Navy Sailor blush and as many personal attacks and logical fallacies as possible.
Thank Goodness for real atheists who are tolerant, good, kind, and support the rights and freedoms of religious people even if they disagree with them. Also thank them for not giving me hate mail, or posting untrue stuff about me all over the Internet because I showed them their flaws and lack of logic, etc.
- 1 year ago
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Orion_Blastar
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SamuraiDave
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mr_tibbles:
"then they need to stop this childish bullshit and act like the intelligent individuals they claim to be."
if they did that they wouldn't be as hilariously unintentionally funny as they are even when they think they are being funny in the case above. I like my New-Emperor-Clothes type atheists. They're a barrel full of evolving monkeys!
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SamuraiDave
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orionblastar
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Only those ordained by God can baptize people as God calls them to become Priests and other holy people who believe in God and God blesses them and gives them power to baptism people.
So logically a person who does not believe in God or have any faith and was not called by God cannot de-baptize people, so the hair dryer method would not work anyway. The only way a person can de-baptize children or adults has to first believe in God and get blessed by God to do baptizims and even reverse them or remove them if needed. So the atheist doing these things cannot de-baptize anyone, unless he hears God's call to become a Priest and pass tests in that religion, study at a Christian college or Seminary whatever and get certified to do baptize and also de-baptize people and children if needed.
Jesus laughs at your silly attempts to de-baptize people and are so ignorant of how religion works that Jesus makes your life into a reality TV show on the Heaven TV network of almost infinite channels and adds in a laugh track and everything else.
Oh yeah the Mormons warned us about this type of thing, which is why they visit graves of everyone that died in a cemetery and bless and baptize the graves so everyone can go to Heaven. So while you think you de-baptized people Jesus laughs and everyone who knows you are ignorant of how religious ceremonies and traditions work.
But hey, nice try, good enough for a laugh just like those Atheists who went door to door knocking on them to convert people to Atheism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58wgn-9Y3c
But not all atheists are real atheists either just like not all Muslims, Christians are real Muslims and Christians either. Many pretend to be an Atheist but this guy once again sets them straight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=0ghIU_tlX0k&feature=relatedI think he was talking about this guy and a hair driver de-baptizing people when he said those words. Just my opinion and point of view, and the atheist in the video's opinions and points of view.
- 1 year ago
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orionblastar
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orionblastar:
I'd like to point out the error in your Mormon baptisms for the dead. Well very true that Mormons participate in these baptisms they most definitely do not visit cemeteries to do so. These baptisms are done inside the Mormon temples and involve an interesting ceremony :D Truth be told that's not even the weirdest of their beliefs.
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Rodashar
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SamuraiDave
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"this story actually points to the indoctrination of children into religious worlds in which they may find themselves not identifying with."
many kids are baptized when they under 1 years old - they don't hardly identify with anything. Getting some water sprinkled on your head while a bunch of big folks look on is hardly indoctrination
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SamuraiDave
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Orion_Blastar
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SamuraiDave:
Well yeah it is no indoctrination. It is really blessing the child so that he or she feels good that he or she is accepted by the church. The holy water is not the blessing but carries a blessing with it from God and God is love. So the child knows he or she is loved by God. De-Baptisting someone is trying to take love away from the child and then converting the love to hate by drying off the holy water. But as I said the holy water is only a conductor of God's love and blessings from God or the child's family. It is more of a psychological benefit f feeling God's love and their family's love.
But those who do not feel God's love will usually drop out of religion and become agnostics, atheists, etc. Sometimes Priests lose their religion and cannot feel God's love anymore and quit and become atheists as well.
Christianity never had a way to remove a baptism, and a child gains a God Father and God Mother to help them and in case their parents or guardians die, the God Mother and God Father would raise the child until he or she is an adult, because they made a promise not just to God, but the family and child's parents to do this. De-baptizing someone is also taking away the god parents and if the parents die, the child goes to a foster home instead of the God parents and thus suffers being taken away from his or her family and supper emotional, psychological, and in some times physical abuse from the foster home and other children and even the staff in it.
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Orion_Blastar
