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temples of Jezebel, or Ba'al worship: Through analogy and through the belief that one can control or aid the powers of nature by the practice of magic, particularly sympathetic magic, sexuality might characterize part of the cult of the Ba'als and 'Ashtarts. Post-Exilic allusions to the cult of Ba'al Pe'or suggest that orgies prevailed. On the summits of hills and mountains flourished the cult of the givers of increase, and "under every green tree" was practised the licentiousness which was held to secure abundance of crops. Human sacrifice, the burning of incense, violent and ecstatic exercises, ceremonial acts of bowing and kissing, the preparing of sacred cakes (see also Asherah), appear among the offences denounced by the post-Exilic prophets; and show that the cult of Ba'al (and 'Ashtart) included characteristic features of worship which recur in various parts of the Semitic (and non-Semitic) world, although attached to other names. But it is also possible that such rites were performed to a local Ba'al Lord and a local 'Ashtart without much concern as to whether they were the same as that of a nearby community or how they fitted into the national theology of Yahweh who had become a ruling high god of the heavens, increasingly disassociated from such things, at least in the minds of some worshippers.

Baal (usually spelt "Bael" in this context; there is a possibility that the two figures are not connected[citation needed]) was ranked as the first and principal king in Hell, ruling over the East. According to some authors Baal is a duke, with 66 legions of demons under his command.
During the English Puritan period, Baal was either compared to Satan or considered his main lieutenant. According to Francis Barrett, he has the power to make those who invoke him invisible.
In grimoire tradition, the demon Bael was said to appear in the forms of a man, cat, toad, or combinations thereof. An illustration in Collin de Plancy's 1818 book Dictionnaire Infernal rather curiously placed the heads of the three creatures onto a set of spider legs.

[edit]Ba'al Zebûb
Main article: Beelzebub

Beelzebub as depicted in Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire Infernal (Paris, 1825).
Another version of the demon Baal is Beelzebub, or more accurately Ba‘al Zebûb or Ba‘al Zəbûb (Hebrew בעל-זבוב), who was originally the name of a deity worshipped in the Philistine city of Ekron. Ba‘al Zebûb might mean "Lord of Zebûb", referring to an unknown place named Zebûb.[citation needed] Some scholars[who?] have suggested that Ba'al Zebul which means 'lord prince' was deliberately changed by the worshippers of Yahweh to Ba'al Zebub ('lord of the flies', zebûb being a Hebrew collective noun meaning "fly") in order to ridicule and protest the worship of Ba'al Zebul. (NIV Study Bible published by Zondervan)
In Christian demonology, Ba‘al Zebûb (anglicized Beelzebub) came to be identified as a demon or devil.

Jezebel was first introduced to us in the Bible when she towered over her husband Ahab in all of his dealings. This woman/man relationship is very prevalent in today's world.

Who is Jezebel?

When we think of the word Jezebel most of us have an image of an immoral woman that is evil and scheming and maybe slathered with makeup. The Jezebel of the Bible was a Phoenician princess that became a queen in Israel, married to King Ahab. She managed to turn her husband away from the God of the Israelites and the Jews to her god, Baal. The name Jezebel actually means not exalted in the Hebrew language.

Jezebel Controlled Her Husband

Jezebel and Ahab allowed the temples of Baal (Jezebel's God) to operate freely in Israel thereby making pagan worship acceptable to the public. The cornerstone of any woman behaving in a Jezebel manner rests upon acts of ruling others. The Biblical Jezebel masqueraded as a servant of God when in truth she led millions of Hebrews into idolatry and sexual impurity. Manipulation and seduction are trademarks of a Jezebel's character.

What This Does in a Marriage

Although I have seen men seem to enjoy being told what to think and do because their mothers also did this, it is not a healthy environment for men. The union of marriage is intended for each of us to complement the other. Power exerted by either one over the other only brings destruction and heartache. A Jezebel actually has hatred for male authority. A Jezebel will not live with a male unless she can control and dominate the relationship. She will publicly humiliate her husband verbally and try to possess him sexually.

The Root of the Problem

A Jezebel woman that manipulates other people is usually intelligent but very insecure, jealous or vain. She will be authoritarian and unyielding in her control. She hates repentance, humility, holiness and purity of heart. Her harshness towards others is usually related to the harshness she received from a man at some point in her life that didn't love her. She does not trust anyone.

Priestess of Aphrodite apparently practiced ritualized prostitution and such on Cyprus !
If you want to start a petition for a revival of the sect,...I am with you! Besides,...Cyprus is lovely!

+^d "stripper religion" !

Fasting and prolonged exposure to the sun really fires off those creative 'collective unconscious' synaptic pathways ! Some of the best mythology was created by those bright but borderline schizophrenic desert folk ! +^d ! ( Wouldn't rely on them much for ethics,....but you can have a balla with Cabala ! ) " Have a vision" today,....thats what I always say !

p.s.
"GOD'S DEMON" BY WAYNE BARLOWE is a really fun read. He thoughtfully fleshes out the biology/eco system of hell a bit. Very kewl.

No thanx,.......i like ham.

|Here are some facts and teachings from the Jewish Talmud.
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen hits a Jew, the heathen must be killed.
Sanhedrin 57a. A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work.
Baba Mezia 24a. If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile it does not have to be returned
Sanhedrin 57a. When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Yebamoth 63a. Agriculture is the lowest of occupations

http://www.rense.com/general21/tal.htm
Seems like the teachings of the Talmud have been obeyed to the fullest degree by modern Zionists.

roffl -- thanks I needed that after dealing with div up there today

Your chances of getting attacked by a terrorist, group or organization are increasing, as China is funding Chavez and the Taliban is trying to usurp meth profits in America from 1.5 million users by getting people hooked on methopium, that you have a better chance of being imperiled by what you are so ignorant of, than these known associated risks from the modern world. When you get confronted by a radical that tells you "CONVERT OR DIE", you may argue the statistics with him, while he holds your arm in one hand and the detonator in the other, but I'm getting the heck on!

What? I'm sorry. I was looking at the picture of the stripper. Something about water in Iran causing cancer? Sorry.

Having an opinion doesn't mean you are a "sheeple"

This is a place for people to discuss opinions on ANY STORY THEY CHOOSE. You have posted a comment up here as well, so you obviously read the article too. (unless you just jumped in on the thread to bitch) What was that you said? Oh, Bah Bah...

yeah and a lot of people are stupid and we don't pay you to think.... rofl

"Well, just because someone is black or Muslim, that doesn't mean they are a n*gger."

What constitutes a nigger where you come from?

"Plus voodoo is way~~ different than Christianity."

I didn't compare and contrast voodoo and christianity. If you want to respond to folks, you might try responding to what they actually say.

My level is high enough to understand that you consider all muslims to be radicals. You may even think you didn't say that, but in your hope to step on what I said, you made yourself clear.

Have fun talking tough on the internet.

Your mouth invites rebuke, and what I meant was simply this: if Christians were going around blowing people up, hiding people in churches, secretly funding terrorists and training them, and the Southern Baptist Convention did not deliver them up, but simply said, "oh that's not us....", you would really reconsider not only Christianity, but the leadership of the Church as a whole.

*Radicals believe that there is an alien mothership hovering above the earth, and they believe Louis Farakhan when he said that he met Muhammed on the mothership, and according to that belief Christianity is not a real religion, so if you don't agree with them you are racist at best or dead at worst. Other Muslims are not polluted by such, but they aren't delivering up the ones that are.

It's just like me watching you get bullied at school for example, saying to the teacher that I didn't have anything to do with it, and walking away when asked what happened though I sat there and watched it and did nothing to stop it.

actually i dont remember anyone condemming christians in africa who are making it punishable by death to be gay so Maybe we should start wondering

That is Jewish law (Old Testament), and Jesus fulfilled those requirements (New Testament), so those who believe in Jesus are not subject to that law. If people choose to not honor Christ with their bodies, they will receive within themselves the penalty due them, as sexual sin is the only sin that a man does that is against his own body, the rest of sins are outside the body. I think AIDS is punishment enough, and if we exact judgment unto death by stoning, they won't have an opportunity to repent and live a repentant life.

I'm against tasering too, as if God intended for humans to be able to strike each other down with lightning we'd be God, so to me tasering is not just cruel and unusual means of attempting to control someone's behavior, it's downright blasphemous.

Besides don't you think Christians are ashamed of the Crusades? War enacted by the Church acting as the state, trying to monetarily horde everything, including not allowing people to read the Bible in their own language? Just telling them what they wanted to tell them to control them???

Do you get a badge for bringing up a vanguard story as a pertinent comment online? Nice one.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Pat Robertson is in the building!

There goes another conservative, accidentally letting his true thoughts through. A gimp might be like the dude in the cage in Pulp Fiction, that's true. But a gimp can also be a cripple, as my avatar would suggest.

Funny how the conservative mind immediately jumped on the gay sex angle though.

I didn't call you Pat Robertson because you've read a bible, I called you that because you said AIDS is the punishment for being gay, you dense republican fuck.

P.S.
It's not the same time all over the planet, dipshit.

Tool, how apt.

lmfao: no I love your icon actually, and I didn't mean just AIDS, but gay males are particularly vulnerable, but I meant any STD. That's what I mean, you already had me in the box as a typical person, but I intentionally got down on you. There was no letting my thoughts accidentally show through... I have to repent, all the time.

Yeah with our quick wits, we would probably get along in real life, minus our 'political' conception of each other. ta-ta

Hey quick fact here did you know that Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet of god just saying so that makes them immune to this too right

I'll smoke to that. Peace.

peace/add me ttyl

Really, you're going to pull the "AIDS is punishment for gay people" argument? That is a pathetic, insulting, inaccurate, and harmful idea that you need to change. AIDS is not some punishment from God, and having that belief furthers religiously-backed homophobia and hinders effective efforts to stop the spreading of HIV and help those who have it.

I thought Zeus was the deity who struck down people with lightning? Doesn't your God have something more original or does he just steal all his material from other deities?

And no, Christians don't seem all that ashamed of the Crusades, nor do most of them seem even to really think about it. If they were ashamed, they wouldn't try to push their religious views on everyone else and threaten others with eternities burning in hell (case in point, you).

Im not ashamed of the cruzades because Christianity had nothing to do with it - it was that fucking antichrist catholic empire.
Btw im a protestant and believe the catholic church to be false so bringing up they're history means diddly.
No i don't believe aids is punishiment for anything anymore than any other disease, they are just outward signs that we do indeed live in a cursed universe.
Death is our fate for being seperated from the immortal One.

hey that is a good way of looking at, but from the verse it is easy to see why they ascribe it that way: "they will receive in their bodies the due penalty"

New Living Translation (©2007)
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

What bazinga is saying is that he is a clean and moral homosexual..... I ask the question.... is there ever really such a thing as a clean @sshole? lol

Wow, your clever wit is blinding. Here's another question; is there ever really such a thing as a smart Christian?

Thats why i never read the New Living Translation, which is not really a translation but a paraphrase rather.
I believe what this verse is talking about is the attributes that we see gay people aquiring in their bodies such as limp wrist, lisp, effeminate nature, and of course their love of Barry Manilow.
Leprosy is known to have been caused by uncleanliness and exposure to feces so perhaps this was a major source of the disease in ancient times.
Aids is a relatively new form of the cold virus and probably didn't exist in ancient times.

Next time, it will just be Central Park after someone puts on some explosives in the prayer room at the Ground Zero Mosque....

...so every muslim must be a terrorist, is that what you're saying? Sorry, I'm just not following here...

no but they have failed to purge the murderers from their congregation, so I have little regard for Muslims, other than God has given them mercy to repent until He returns, and then it will be too late. Old Law deemed that they be charged just as if they murdered with their own hands; hence, they use explosives because they think that preserves them from sin. Maybe a theology course could assist your further about what they actually believe.

Last time i checked us christians (And im gona guess that you are one) Didnt get rid off kkk members or that christan sect that threataned to kille cops to start a holy war so lets condem ourselves for that too

You tell me to take a theology course. I admit that my last theology course was a comparative religions course in high school, so I'm not quite as up to date.

My recommendation to you is to meet a real, live, practicing Muslim. Courses are awesome, but actually meeting the people you want to talk about is better. The majority of Muslims you will meet are pretty decent people. Maybe meeting real people could further assist YOU, so that you can get directly from THEM what they believe. You know, first hand, instead of second hand by a prof who further recites from books...

And you speak as though you've been to their "congregation." Have you? Been to a mosque, I mean?

I will shake their hands when we publicly triumph over people who make a mockery of them: by using their mosques to hide out at, train, and organize to kill people. Their religion is polluted, so how radicals dare call us modern day Babylon, and how dare they continue to use other Muslims to hide behind... killing their own people, raping women, and training children to kill because they don't know any better?

"Black Hitler" characterization
During Jesse Jackson's 1984 presidential campaign Jackson used the word hymie, a pejorative term for Jews, in referring to New York City as "Hymietown" in a discussion with a black reporter. Though Jackson thought he was speaking off the record the reporter printed the quote. Jackson was widely criticized for the slur and received numerous death threats,[37] leading Farrakhan to announce, "If you [Jewish leaders] harm this brother, I warn you in the name of Allah, it'll be the last one you ever harm."[38]
In response to Farrakhan's speech Nathan Pearlmutter, then Chair of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith, referred to Farrakhan as the new "Black Hitler" and Village Voice journalist Nat Hentoffalso characterized the NOI leader as a "Black Hitler" while a guest on a New York radio talk-show.
In response Farrakhan said during a March 11, 1984, speech broadcast on a Chicago radio station:
“ So I said to the members of the press, 'Why won't you go and look into what we are saying about the threats on Reverend Jackson's life?' Here the Jews don't like Farrakhan and so they call me 'Hitler'. Well that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't great for me as a Black man but he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the First World War. Yet Hitler took Germany from the ashes and rose her up and made her the greatest fighting machine of the twentieth century, brothers and sisters, and even though Europe and America had deciphered the code that Hitler was using to speak to his chiefs of staff, they still had trouble defeating Hitler even after knowing his plans in advance. Now I'm not proud of Hitler's evil toward Jewish people, but that's a matter of record. He rose Germany up from nothing. Well, in a sense you could say there is a similarity in that we are rising our people up from nothing, but don't compare me with your wicked killers.[38][39] ”
[edit]Farrakhan's Vision Experience
On October 24, 1989, at a Washington, DC, press conference Farrakhan described a 1985 vision he had while in Mexico. In his vision he said he was carried up to "a Wheel, or what you call an unidentified flying object" as in the Bible's Book of Ezekiel 1:15–18. During this vision experience he said he heard the voice of Elijah Muhammad, the leader of the Nation of Islam from 1934 until his death in 1975.[40]
[edit]Mugabe
In 2002 Louis Farrakhan went to Zimbabwe in support of President Robert Mugabe's intentions to enforce proposed seizures of white-owned land and property. The seizures were marked by violence and death and contributed to the collapse of farming and agriculture. Farrakhan said he was in "full support" of Mugabe's policies "as it was aimed at correcting a historical injustice".[41]

No, that's like saying every white person is a cracker, every black person is a n*gger, every Mexican a spic, every Chinese person a chink, every Native American a savage.... (I am Native American, btw).

Not every Muslim is a radical; however, I do not see Muslims delivering up these people who are killing their own people.

Until that time, I do not assume everyone is radical, I just disdain Muslims for being a part of the problem, of those who claim the same religion as theirs (when being radical is certainly different in a terrible way) rather than A-L-L Muslims being a part of the solution and delivering up these people. Not permitting them to hide in caves, giving them food and aid, pacifying them until they get strong enough to attack them again, steal their poppy, rape their women, and kill their children.

WAKE UP MUSLIM NATION: THE TIME OF RECKONING IS NEAR!

You know, just because you feel so enlightened to point out the sins of NY, despite the fact that you show no respect for the 3,000 who are dead, do you realize that everyone is affected by terrorism: especially how the Muslim community is negatively affected by it. Of course, the building of a mosque at an attack site is considered a monument of triumph over enemies of Islam, but you just keep denying it and wasting time. They will use some other CAIR center, there's one in every major U.S. city to do their bidding, as they have continued to do so. It doesn't matter that it is there, except to say that it is an invitation to do it again. Maybe when you stop being so politically correct, you will see radical terrorism for what it is, no matter where it is: RADICAL TERRORISM.

Every religion is filled to the brim with psychos! Some religions just hide it better. So would you say that this Farrakhan guy is better or worse than Fred Phelps? He says that the reason soldiers are dying are because god is angry that America tolerates gays. He's Christian, btw.

So you will pretend that Muslims who do not condone murder do not exist until they purge all unwanted elements from their society. Right... do you feel the same way about every group? Do you feel the same way about Christians? How about Christians preying on those whose lives are uprooted by natural disasters? War?

How about those that have nothing to say about the crusades? the Witch hunts? How about the man who killed Dr. Tiller? Was he just a bad apple in a sea of beauteous Christians?

Do you refuse to shake hands with Chinese people because their government is a communist republic? How about Cubans? Do you blame all Cubans for the state of their government?

And most importantly, do you even bother to look around to find out those very places WHERE Muslims are calling out the injustices their own people have committed? Are you even aware that people like this exist? Are you aware that people like this are calling out atrocities committed by their own in places like THIS community center?

Burying your head in the sand and turning a blind eye to every Muslim who wishes to make peace just because a small percentage of them is waging war against EVERYONE (even Muslims themselves, because this small percentage wants freaking dominance over everyone) makes no sense whatsoever.

You cannot see something you've blindfolded yourself to. If you want to see it happen, you need to look for it. And I assure you, it's happening.

I have respect for the dead. In fact, not only do I have respect for the people who died in the September 11th attacks, but I also have respect for the people who died in developing countries because of poor work standards in American owned corporations, those same corporations who did not care when hundreds and thousands of brown lives were lost. I have respect for the brown people that have died innocently because people like you think like Bush that if they're not with us, they're against us and so are the enemy. I have respect for ALL the dead. Do you? Do you know that Muslims ALSO died in the buildings of the WTC? Do you know that it was also Muslims who were HELPING people get out of those buildings?

And anyway, A) it's not a mosque, it's a community center. Like the Y. And B) it's not anywhere NEAR ground zero.

And I'm not pointing out the sins of NYC, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of people who claim that it's now some sort of hallowed ground, and it's people some sort of offended saints, when at any other time they hate NYC citizens.

Maybe when people like you stop using politically correct as an insult towards people like me who DON'T want to condemn 1.5 BILLION people for doing nothing, you'll wake the fuck up.

And by the way, not every Muslim is a terrorist. Despite you saying you don't believe it is so, it's obvious that you do.

Are you in any way related to J Jammer? Sister or cousin maybe?

The Phoenix came out from the ashes or something right?

No, I'm just saying that every religion that does not purify itself is impure. Religion is man's way of attempting to worship God, radicals just believe that they are purifying by murdering others.

The witch hunts are not the same as terrorism, nor were the Crusades. I happen to believe that Roeder was compelled by what he believes, and he is an avenger of blood of the innocent.

I do not see Muslims publicly delivering up terrorists, they are trapped in fear of them all over the world, and I say GROW A PAIR.

yeah peace, peace, and there will be no peace

read your Bible/this would be no surprise to you or even my beliefs so appalling

No I see most Muslims as part of the problem, and ALL Muslims not being a part of the solution right now.

no you mocked and disgraced the ashes of those there with your smart @ss remark

I do not feel the need to point out the merits of Muslims when we still do not see them ferreting them or excommunicating them from the congregation of Islam.

HEY MOFO:

every Muslim isn't a terrorist, but the MAJORITY are doing NOTHING TO STOP THEM!

The witch hunts and the crusades WERE terrorism. You know what terrorism means. I'm sure you do. How is "convert or die" not terrorism? How is "if you're a witch or display any freethinking, you will die" not terrorism?

You don't see Muslims publicly delivering up terrorists because you're NOT LOOKING.

EXACTLY 1.5 BILLION PEOPLE DOING NOTHING, and if they were, we wouldn't have to worry about terrorism anymore if they were unified enough to withstand a band of thugs trying to take over Islam with a polluted version from within.

no don't know who that is. You know a real name would help/don't recognize that screen name.

I'm not Christian. I have no bible. Your beliefs cannot be justified because some book written hundreds of times around 2 thousand years ago says they're cool.

OK, by YOUR OWN ADMISSION, you've never talked to a Muslim person. How the hell should I believe you even have a SHRED of a clue what they do??

You're making a very poor argument here. And voting up your own comments is in bad taste. When your comment has a +1 as soon as I get the email that a comment has been made, I know you've voted it up yourself. And it's sad.

How did I mock them by pointing out the hypocrisy of some people? Seriously? How? I don't understand this. They are not saints, they're people who died. I did NOT INSULT THEM, I pointed out a FACT.

YOU DON'T SEE THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LOOKING!!! how many times must I say this? You've never talked to a Muslim and so you have no IDEA what they do, how they think, what their motives are regarding their religion, and yet you feel you have every right to denounce them ALL.

Ps. I can yell too.

Yes I am the very symbol Muslims hate: 2 ESDRAS 11-12: 1 Then saw I a dream, and, behold, there came up from the sea an eagle, which had twelve feathered wings, and three heads.
2 And I saw, and, behold, she spread her wings over all the earth, and all the winds of the air blew on her, and were gathered together.
3 And I beheld, and out of her feathers there grew other contrary feathers; and they became little feathers and small.
4 But her heads were at rest: the head in the midst was greater than the other, yet rested it with the residue.
5 Moreover I beheld, and, lo, the eagle flew with her feathers, and reigned upon earth, and over them that dwelt therein.
6 And I saw that all things under heaven were subject unto her, and no man spake against her, no, not one creature upon earth.
7 And I beheld, and, lo, the eagle rose upon her talons, and spake to her feathers, saying,
8 Watch not all at once: sleep every one in his own place, and watch by course:
9 But let the heads be preserved for the last.
10 And I beheld, and, lo, the voice went not out of her heads, but from the midst of her body.
11 And I numbered her contrary feathers, and, behold, there were eight of them.
12 And I looked, and, behold, on the right side there arose one feather, and reigned over all the earth;
13 And so it was, that when it reigned, the end of it came, and the place thereof appeared no more: so the next following stood up. and reigned, and had a great time;
14 And it happened, that when it reigned, the end of it came also, like as the first, so that it appeared no more.
15 Then came there a voice unto it, and said,
16 Hear thou that hast borne rule over the earth so long: this I say unto thee, before thou beginnest to appear no more,
17 There shall none after thee attain unto thy time, neither unto the half thereof.
18 Then arose the third, and reigned as the other before, and appeared no more also.
19 So went it with all the residue one after another, as that every one reigned, and then appeared no more.
20 Then I beheld, and, lo, in process of time the feathers that followed stood up upon the right side, that they might rule also; and some of them ruled, but within a while they appeared no more:
21 For some of them were set up, but ruled not.
22 After this I looked, and, behold, the twelve feathers appeared no more, nor the two little feathers:
23 And there was no more upon the eagle's body, but three heads that rested, and six little wings.
24 Then saw I also that two little feathers divided themselves from the six, and remained under the head that was upon the right side: for the four continued in their place.
25 And I beheld, and, lo, the feathers that were under the wing thought to set up themselves and to have the rule.
26 And I beheld, and, lo, there was one set up, but shortly it appeared no more.
27 And the second was sooner away than the first.
28 And I beheld, and, lo, the two that remained thought also in themselves to reign:
29 And when they so thought, behold, there awaked one of the heads that were at rest, namely, it that was in the midst; for that was greater than the two other heads.
30 And then I saw that the two other heads were joined with it.
31 And, behold, the head was turned with them that were with it, and did eat up the two feathers under the wing that would have reigned.
32 But this head put the whole earth in fear, and bare rule in it over all those that dwelt upon the earth with much oppression; and it had the governance of the world more than all the wings that had been.
33 And after this I beheld, and, lo, the head that was in the midst suddenly appeared no more, like as the wings.
34 But there remained the two heads, which also in like sort ruled upon the earth, and over those that dwelt therein.
35 And I beheld, and, lo, the head upon the right side devoured it that was upon the left side.
36 Then I head a voice, which said unto me, Look before thee, and consider the thing that thou seest.
37 And I beheld, and lo, as it were a roaring lion chased out of the wood: and I saw that he sent out a man's voice unto the eagle, and said,
38 Hear thou, I will talk with thee, and the Highest shall say unto thee,
39 Art not thou it that remainest of the four beasts, whom I made to reign in my world, that the end of their times might come through them?
40 And the fourth came, and overcame all the beasts that were past, and had power over the world with great fearfulness, and over the whole compass of the earth with much wicked oppression; and so long time dwelt he upon the earth with deceit.
41 For the earth hast thou not judged with truth.
42 For thou hast afflicted the meek, thou hast hurt the peaceable, thou hast loved liars, and destroyed the dwellings of them that brought forth fruit, and hast cast down the walls of such as did thee no harm.
43 Therefore is thy wrongful dealing come up unto the Highest, and thy pride unto the Mighty.
44 The Highest also hath looked upon the proud times, and, behold, they are ended, and his abominations are fulfilled.
45 And therefore appear no more, thou eagle, nor thy horrible wings, nor thy wicked feathers nor thy malicious heads, nor thy hurtful claws, nor all thy vain body:
46 That all the earth may be refreshed, and may return, being delivered from thy violence, and that she may hope for the judgment and mercy of him that made her.

1 And it came to pass, whiles the lion spake these words unto the eagle, I saw,
2 And, behold, the head that remained and the four wings appeared no more, and the two went unto it and set themselves up to reign, and their kingdom was small, and fill of uproar.
3 And I saw, and, behold, they appeared no more, and the whole body of the eagle was burnt so that the earth was in great fear: then awaked I out of the trouble and trance of my mind, and from great fear, and said unto my spirit,
4 Lo, this hast thou done unto me, in that thou searchest out the ways of the Highest.
5 Lo, yet am I weary in my mind, and very weak in my spirit; and little strength is there in me, for the great fear wherewith I was afflicted this night.
6 Therefore will I now beseech the Highest, that he will comfort me unto the end.
7 And I said, Lord that bearest rule, if I have found grace before thy sight, and if I am justified with thee before many others, and if my prayer indeed be come up before thy face;
8 Comfort me then, and shew me thy servant the interpretation and plain difference of this fearful vision, that thou mayest perfectly comfort my soul.
9 For thou hast judged me worthy to shew me the last times.
10 And he said unto me, This is the interpretation of the vision:
11 The eagle, whom thou sawest come up from the sea, is the kingdom which was seen in the vision of thy brother Daniel.
12 But it was not expounded unto him, therefore now I declare it unto thee.
13 Behold, the days will come, that there shall rise up a kingdom upon earth, and it shall be feared above all the kingdoms that were before it.
14 In the same shall twelve kings reign, one after another:
15 Whereof the second shall begin to reign, and shall have more time than any of the twelve.
16 And this do the twelve wings signify, which thou sawest.
17 As for the voice which thou heardest speak, and that thou sawest not to go out from the heads but from the midst of the body thereof, this is the interpretation:
18 That after the time of that kingdom there shall arise great strivings, and it shall stand in peril of failing: nevertheless it shall not then fall, but shall be restored again to his beginning.
19 And whereas thou sawest the eight small under feathers sticking to her wings, this is the interpretation:
20 That in him there shall arise eight kings, whose times shall be but small, and their years swift.
21 And two of them shall perish, the middle time approaching: four shall be kept until their end begin to approach: but two shall be kept unto the end.
22 And whereas thou sawest three heads resting, this is the interpretation:
23 In his last days shall the most High raise up three kingdoms, and renew many things therein, and they shall have the dominion of the earth,
24 And of those that dwell therein, with much oppression, above all those that were before them: therefore are they called the heads of the eagle.
25 For these are they that shall accomplish his wickedness, and that shall finish his last end.
26 And whereas thou sawest that the great head appeared no more, it signifieth that one of them shall die upon his bed, and yet with pain.
27 For the two that remain shall be slain with the sword.
28 For the sword of the one shall devour the other: but at the last shall he fall through the sword himself.
29 And whereas thou sawest two feathers under the wings passing over the head that is on the right side;
30 It signifieth that these are they, whom the Highest hath kept unto their end: this is the small kingdom and full of trouble, as thou sawest.
31 And the lion, whom thou sawest rising up out of the wood, and roaring, and speaking to the eagle, and rebuking her for her unrighteousness with all the words which thou hast heard;
32 This is the anointed, which the Highest hath kept for them and for their wickedness unto the end: he shall reprove them, and shall upbraid them with their cruelty.
33 For he shall set them before him alive in judgment, and shall rebuke them, and correct them.
34 For the rest of my people shall he deliver with mercy, those that have been pressed upon my borders, and he shall make them joyful until the coming of the day of judgment, whereof I have spoken unto thee from the the beginning.
35 This is the dream that thou sawest, and these are the interpretations.
36 Thou only hast been meet to know this secret of the Highest.
37 Therefore write all these things that thou hast seen in a book, and hide them:
38 And teach them to the wise of the people, whose hearts thou knowest may comprehend and keep these secrets.
39 But wait thou here thyself yet seven days more, that it may be shewed thee, whatsoever it pleaseth the Highest to declare unto thee. And with that he went his way.
40 And it came to pass, when all the people saw that the seven days were past, and I not come again into the city, they gathered them all together, from the least unto the greatest, and came unto me, and said,
41 What have we offended thee? and what evil have we done against thee, that thou forsakest us, and sittest here in this place?
42 For of all the prophets thou only art left us, as a cluster of the vintage, and as a candle in a dark place, and as a haven or ship preserved from the tempest.
43 Are not the evils which are come to us sufficient?
44 If thou shalt forsake us, how much better had it been for us, if we also had been burned in the midst of Sion?
45 For we are not better than they that died there. And they wept with a loud voice. Then answered I them, and said,
46 Be of good comfort, O Israel; and be not heavy, thou house of Jacob:
47 For the Highest hath you in remembrance, and the Mighty hath not forgotten you in temptation.
48 As for me, I have not forsaken you, neither am I departed from you: but am come into this place, to pray for the desolation of Sion, and that I might seek mercy for the low estate of your sanctuary.
49 And now go your way home every man, and after these days will I come unto you.
50 So the people went their way into the city, like as I commanded them:
51 But I remained still in the field seven days, as the angel commanded me; and did eat only in those days of the flowers of the field, and had my meat of the herbs.

Let me copy and paste what you said, you reread it, and go pray about it.

No I have, but I'm Native American, and I see that we are past the point of negotiating with them harboring terrorists within their midst.

I do not need you to justify me in order to "be cool". I'm more interested in pleasing God than worrying about whether or not you define me as a Bible thumper or the church dork.

Last time I checked what makes you think they didn't denounce the KKK? Show me where they condoned them...

You totally missed it, didn't you. I'm not trying to call you cool. Cool had nothing to do with you. My god, NOW I know why this argument is still going on. You're not even reading what I wrote. I said "Your beliefs cannot be justified because some book written hundreds of times around 2 thousand years ago says they're cool."

I never called you anything, you did that yourself. Good for you. Acceptance is part of the journey to realization.

I don't need to pray for anything, thanks. And, personally, anyone who tells another person to pray is a dickwad. Congratulations, you're one of the few people on current I honestly think no good of.

YOU SAID:

"So how is it that NY is somehow sacred when it comes to 9/11, but in any other discussion, it's a place of elitists and gays?"

BECAUSE THE DEAD'S ASHES ARE THERE..... duh

who are you, to point out if someone is gay? Sure, they reap what they sow, but you are just being a fool.

P.S. I don't have to shout for people to see you are a disgrace.

What does your being Native American have to do with talking to Muslims? Are you super special because you're Native and so have more authority? I'm not seeing the connection.

You were trying to deny my faith, and you were implying that it wasn't "cool" for me to base my belief on a book that was written 2,000 years ago.... I'm sure the @sshole journals have been around a lot longer, and that you're currently writing it. That's all you have convinced me of, along with that also that you are not even worth debating because that's all you stand on.

Wow, way to read between the lines!

The dead are everywhere. Seriously.

Who am I to point out if someone is gay? What the hell are you even reading here? I said that at every other time, and in every other discussion NOT regarding 9/11, the rest of America is disdainful of NYC, but ONLY when it comes to 9/11, it's hallowed ground. How do you think the people of NYC feel about that? God, it's not actually a difficult concept to understand the two-facedness of how people treat NYC citizens.

Darling, I'm not the disgrace here, and it's horribly obvious. What makes it so obvious is that you have to resort to personal attacks to get your point across. Really, I'm a MOFO and a disgrace because I don't think you're right? But anyway, that's between you and your god. Do you think he thinks its a worthy thing for you to do? Insult other people? I'm just curious, because I thought that very much was NOT part of the tenets of Christianity.

Ding -- exactly, you are your own god.... thanks for finally admitting, so with that, I do not worship you. Too bad, so sad.

What in the hell? I said that a book written 2000 years ago justifying your beliefs as cool is not OK in today's day and age.

Now I'm also an asshole because I don't think your argument is valid?

No, it just means that I don't fit the profile and stereotype that you've tried to ascribe to me since we started responding to each other on here.

The Native American in me would've just gutted you, rather than to hear you go on about your politically correct b.s., but the love of God constrains me. In that way, I am no different or better than any radical, only that God has changed my heart to having mercy upon fools, like yourself.

I don't expect someone whose heart is as hardened as yours to understand, so when you die, please permit me to be the first one to kick dust over your dead body, to celebrate that you're permanently muted. Better yet, when you're cremated, allow me to spit in your ashes, as I remind myself that you're continually burning, and I won't so much as spit on you in the after-life as you burn.

I'm not sure whether I should *headdesk* or if I should LMAO. Both seem appropriate. I never called myself a god.. I don't want you or anyone to worship you. I don't think I'm divine, although my real name does mean divine brilliance, so make of that what you will.

Holy fuck, what ARE you reading? You're in a different part of the universe! Where did you get the idea that I think I'm my own god? Really, what in the hell?

engage brain before engaging mouth... meditate..... is that more pc for you?

No you are a MOFO and disgrace for not respecting the dead, it is what it is. Yeah, and you are insulting 3,000 people who died, Muslims included. You are not God's servant, you are doing your job well being your own god. It is very much apart of Christianity to not worship a mere mortal man stuck on himself or worship what he says. I'm sorry if that insults you, but you will never have my respect.

So what you are actually saying is that your fear of god is what prevents you from hurting other people. Interesting. Because for me, my own sense of morality and compassion prevents me from hurting others. I don't fear any god. I believe in god, yes, and certainly not the one you believe in, and I practice a religion, but definitely not the one you practice. But I use love to guide me, love for the value of life. You use your fear of hell.

But you're obviously my moral superior, so I shouldn't talk in your presence. My eternal apologies.../end sarcasm

What the hell is wrong with you? Spit in my ashes? Celebrate my going to hell? Are you honestly trying to tell me you're a christian? I mean, honestly honestly?

very true and apt name to parade yourself as an angel of light

...what? Do you even know what pc is?

Dude that is not cool. You are making an ass out of yourself. You lost this debate a long time ago. Now you're devolving into a tantrum-throwing 2-year-old. Take a look at what you just said. If Jesus were really real, he'd be wagging his finger at you right now.

Which dead should I respect? How about the innocent dead that american soldiers killed? Should I not respect them? The children? What about the children that soldiers have killed or made orphans? Should I not respect them?