Comedy | September 01, 2010 | 118 comments

Even in the Year 1076 Muslims Couldn't Get Along with Their Neighbors

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The First Crusade played a very important part in Medieval England. The First Crusade was an attempt to re-capture Jerusalem. After the capture of Jerusalem by the Muslims in 1076, any Christian who wanted to pay a pilgrimage to the city faced a very hard time. Muslim soldiers made life very difficult for the Christians and trying to get to Jerusalem was filled with danger for a Christian. This greatly angered all Christians.

One Christian - called Alexius I of Constantinople - feared that his country might also fall to the Muslims as it was very close to the territory captured by the Muslims. Constantinople is in modern day Turkey. Alexius called on the pope - Urban II - to give him help.

In 1095, Urban spoke to a great crown at Clermont in France. He called for a war against the Muslims so that Jerusalem was regained for the Christian faith. In his speech he said:
"Christians, hasten to help your brothers in the East, for they are being attacked. Arm for the rescue of Jerusalem under your captain Christ. Wear his cross as your badge. If you are killed your sins will be pardoned."

Those who volunteered to go to fight the Muslims cut out red crosses and sewed them on their tunics. The French word "croix" means cross and the word changed to "croisades" or crusades. The fight against the Muslims became a Holy War.

Many people did volunteer to fight on the First Crusade.
There were true Christians who wanted to reclaim Jerusalem for their belief and get the Muslims out of the city. There were those who knew they had committed sin and that by going on the Crusade they might be forgiven by God. They had also been told by the pope that if they were killed, they would automatically go to heaven as they were fighting for God. There were those who thought that they might get rich by taking the wealth that they thought existed in Jerusalem. Any crusader could claim to be going on a pilgrimage for God - pilgrims did not have to pay tax and they were protected by the Church. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cru2.htm
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118 comments // Even in the Year 1076 Muslims Couldn't Get Along with Their Neighbors

  • DogBoy
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      DogBoy  
    • Yes Islam has very seldom been united on anything. However humans can never really agree on everything anyway.

    • 1 year ago
  • Mark701
  • alexandrek
  • congoboy
  • alexandrek
  • congoboy
  • UrbanGypsy
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • i forget who was it that was getting along famously again during this time period?
      i guess we should just ignore the fact that it took over three thousand years of civilization before we even attemped a league of nations.lets just pretend the un existed then so we can make it seem like they refused to play nice like the rest of the world was.
      wanna take a look at what russia was doing around this time, or what europe was doing to its jews?

    • 1 year ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Also, as an addendum, the word crusade didn't even come into existence until the 15th century. They were all called pilgrimages, even though they were all violent excursions.

    • 1 year ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • As someone who's actually studied the crusades, this is a joke.

      First off, Muslims had been in control of Jerusalem well before 1076 and the Council of Claremont in 1096, Urban's call to crusade, was actually in response from the Byzantine emperor who was having trouble against the Seljuks. By the time the letter arrived he didn't need help anymore but overzealous preachers and opportunistic nobles gave the movement a life of its own. It spun totally out of control and by the time the crusaders conquered Jerusalem, they slaughtered everyone in the city, Jews, Christians and Muslims, until the streets were knee-deep in blood and the bodies stacked as high as the city walls.

      Citing the crusades as an example of Muslim aggression is like citing Ghengis Khan as an example of Chinese aggression.

      It's not just completely dumb, it's the OPPOSITE of the truth.

      Seriously, Islam had just spent the previous two centuries mapping the human circulatory system and inventing Algebra. Christians had spent those centuries and the next three burning alive anyone who didn't take their book literally and killing off the Jews when they were bored.

      Contrary to popular right-wing belief, radical Islam is almost an entirely new phenomena. Starting in the 1950's, it would balloon into its modern radicalism mainly after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan and the Iranian Revolution. You'll notice that both of those events were the result of outside aggression, not a coincidence.

    • 1 year ago
  • onemalefla
  • flyingkick
  • freecrack
  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • Saladin:

      Bravo S' Allah Hadin. Yet again, you've proven that by simply citing
      the Historical account factualy as the concensus validates it, we can
      learn by starting from the beginning. I saw a 1946 movie on TCM
      entitled Sinbad the Sailor with Dougles Fairbanks & Maureen O'Hara.
      They talked of Islam too. No doubt Omar Kyam and Kalil Gibran were
      of the Islamic faith also. But we never hear them being associated with
      anything noble either. For what it's worth these people also invented
      the Arabian Parts before William the Conquerer defeated the Saxons
      at the Battle of Hastings in 1066. Yet we never hear of any Psychic Science
      associated with them either. Can't scare the little kids to keep 'em in line
      unless there's a handy bogeyman I suppose.

    • 1 year ago
  • ezrierin
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      ezrierin  
    • Hmmm? Lets see, by 1492 Europe with its’ insatiable appetite for Chinese and Indian made goods, had bankrolled the merchants in the Muslim world to accommodate the European desires. As a result, Europe was on an inevitable collapse to the Muslims.
      Off to Asia by sailing west, Christopher Columbus was trying to find a direst route to Asia, to bypass the Muslims. He hit the Americas were soon after gold, and especially tobacco balanced trade and saved Europe.
      Soooo, by your way of thinking, the FIFTEEN MILLION or more Native Americans that died as a result, must have all gone to the Christian heaven right? I mean they died for Christian Europe and therefore Christ right? Oh those Christians did such good works (sarcasm).

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • ezrierin:

      nice comment ez, but whats it have to do with this post? also although most of us will agree, the slaughter of innocent indigents was a travesty. also of interest is that they were not the peace loving inhabitants that most believe, native americans frequently killed, raped, enslaved and even tortured each other over land and natural resource domination.

    • 1 year ago
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • congoboy:

      Your headline says that Muslims don't get along with their neighbors.
      It would be easy to prove this with certain examples of history.
      However, the example you provided, the Crusades, is more of an example of how Christians couldn't get along with their neighbors. So, Ezrierin is showing you more examples of how Christians were not getting along with their neighbors.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • flyingkick:

      never said muslims were the only guilty party throughout history, this is just one example from the past. modern history concerning neighborly behavior or lack there of currently exists today. look up todays worldly conflicts and see who is behind them.

    • 1 year ago
  • flyingkick
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • congoboy:

      Sorry, I don't mean to call you a complete moron.
      But, posting an article about the Crusades and then using it to say that Muslims don't get along with their neighbors is completely retarded.

      -Christians take Jerusalem from Jews, kick Jews out.
      -Muslims take Jerusalem from Christians, let's Jews and Christians worship in the city
      -Christians take Jerusalem from Muslims, kick out Jews and Muslims
      -Muslims take Jerusalem from Christians, let's Jews and Christians worship in the city again.

      Is this sinking in?
      Pick up a history book. Any history book. Even a Right wing Foxnews Christian history book, if one exists. It's all there.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • flyingkick:

      iraq, yes the u.s. went in. why? well, because muslims who couldnt get along with their neighbors crashed a couple of planes into some buildings in the u.s. granted they were saudi but we have a cozy relationship with a few princes over there. saddam and his offspring were a group of sadistic bastards who couldnt get along with their neighbors either. same for iran. afghanistan? a warring nation who cant get along with their neighbors either. why are we still there? ask obama. the economic collapse of the world could be to some degree blamed on muslims who cant get along with their neighbors but thats more difficult to prove. follow the money.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • flyingkick
    • +3
      flyingkick  
    • congoboy:

      We invaded Iraq because Bush lied about wmd's, not because of 9/11.
      The economic world collapse is due to corporate greed- it has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims, lol. Wow, you can't be serious. Do you watch the news or follow current events at all?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • congoboy:

      your narrative supposes a degree of missfunction on the part of muslims, so ez was showing the same in christianity.
      under the guise of just calling as you see it, she is doing the same.she even riegned it in to keep it germain to the framework you created.thats what it has to do with the post.

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • congoboy:

      Umm the worlds economic collapse was all, and i do mean all, our bad. ( by "our" i mean the US.) It was not the result of war but greedy coporate practices that resulted in an exeptionaly large number of people being unable to make their mortgage payment, when they couldnt make the payments banks forclosed, now when all thes forclosures happened at once there were way to many housese for sales which made prices plummet which took banks for haveing so much money to way less money then investors started pulling they could move the toxic assests fast enough to pay the banks bills. Next thing you know economic collapse. this all would have been spotted of course if Bush's regulators had been paying attention and idk like doing their job.

    • 1 year ago
  • ezrierin
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      ezrierin  
    • congoboy:

      Okay, I see I could be considered to digress. But I wanted to use my comment to point out the utter hypocrisy of the, good Christian soldiers BS. As for the cruelty and stupidity of others, I think that is to often endemic to the human species. Sad too.

    • 1 year ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • congoboy:

      And they weren't all the warring, raping, pillaging savages others wish to portray. Suffice to say that preexisting culture in the Americas was very much the mixed bag not unlike the mixed bag in Europe or Asia.

      The fact remains, foreigners invaded the continent without a welcome by those who lived here and with a continuing antagonistic relationship with the natives until "native" became relatively and sadly synonymous with "irrelevant".

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • Naumadd:

      well they were originally welcomed, but they wore that out rather quickly dont you think? glad to see you still suffer from misplaced guilt, it make the world go round

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • congoboy:

      Yes, europeans wore out their welcome practically on day one. Can't say I feel any guilt about it. I wasn't there and, truth be told, I have the bloods of both parties coursing in my veins so I guess I owe them both a bit of gratitude for existing at all.

      Still, can't argue with history. Natives were essentially hunted almost to oblivion - north and south. Regardless of how those natives lived themselves, it wasn't right to invade the continent and displace them.

      If one truly advocates the "rightness" of such a thing, then one makes an argument for europeans to go anywhere they wish and do whatever they like even today - including a second invasion of the Americas.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • Naumadd:

      fortunately most europeans have mellowed since then. now if we can keep the immigration of the muslim population from trying to integrate sharia law into the u.s. we should be ok

    • 1 year ago
  • alexandrek
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • We should trade Jerusalem for Constantinople.,...uhm,..."Istanbul",...I suppose.
      ( I still think of it as Byzantium myself.) We [ the west ] should trade all that damn "holy?" useless territory only of value to fundamentalist sects,....and reclaim the historic western cultural centers,....and valuable commercial ports. ( my 2 bits - lets set priorities that make sense.) Let the damn Turks manage Israel,....give us back the good stuff.

      p.s. Get the F out of Cyprus.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • ArchDruid
  • flyingkick
    • +3
      flyingkick  
    • ArchDruid:

      There's nothing wrong with the article, it's all accurate for the most part.
      The headline is why it's in comedy, lol.

      Not that it matters, but it's ironic, because at the time, the Christians were the ones kicking out the Jews and the Muslims, not the other way around. So, Congoboy is completely misinterpreting a slice of history. I used to think he does things like this intentionally, but I just don't think he knows any better, lol.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • congoboy:

      Under Muslim control, Muslims let Christians and Jews worship in Jerusalem.

      Under Christian control, Christians banished Muslims and Jews from Jerusalem.

      Can you explain to me how on earth you can interpret that as Muslims not getting along with their neighbors? Because it sounds like the EXACT OPPOSITE to me, lol.

    • 1 year ago
  • raabitt
  • freecrack
  • freecrack
  • SuperGayJesus
  • congoboy
  • SuperGayJesus
  • littlwarrior
  • congoboy
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • Congoboy, you can't be serious.

      What the hell do you mean RE-capture?
      Jerusalem was originally a Jewish city.
      In fact, when the Romans/Byzantines (Christians) took Jerusalem from the Jews, they banished all Jews from the city.
      Who wasn't getting along with their neighbors?

      It was only after the Arabs took control that Jews were allowed back into their own holy city. The Arabs even let Christians come back to the city.
      Who's actually getting along with their neighbors?

      Did you even bother to read the whole link you provided?
      Here's the last line:
      "The capture of Jerusalem did not end the Crusades as the Crusaders wanted to get rid of the Muslims from the whole region and not just Jerusalem."
      Yeah, ^that sounds very neighborly...

      Was British colonialism very neighborly? They were Christians you know. Invading, conquering, and subjugating people in their own countries.

      These aren't controversial facts, this is basic history, lol. It worries me that there are a lot of people like you who distort history to see what they want to see.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Jeremy_Benson
  • littlwarrior
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • congoboy:

      I don't even think you read everything I wrote... "Rewriting" what exactly?
      You think Jerusalem was originally a Christian city?
      LOL. No one is this retarded. You have to be kidding.

      THIS IS BASIC HISTORY. Not even Glen Beck or Bill O'Reilly would argue these facts, lol.

      Please feel free to prove anything I've said wrong.
      Speak up, don't be shy.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • flyingkick:

      dude i posted, you disagreed. what more is there? im right, youre wrong or vice versa depending on your belief system. you cant convince me and i cant convince you even with the back up of scholars. move on to a new topic my friend.

    • 1 year ago
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • congoboy:

      There's nothing wrong with the article you posted. I'm not arguing with any scholars that wrote the article. It's all correct.

      I'm asking you how on earth you can interpret it as an example of Muslims not getting along with their neighbors? Muslims let Christians worship in Jerusalem, but not the other way around. Do you understand?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • flyingkick
    • +2
      flyingkick  
    • congoboy:

      Seriously, if you can explain to me how the Crusades are an example of Muslims not getting along with their neighbors, I will consider I'm completely wrong. I've done it before, many times.
      I'm basically just asking you to defend your headline with something, anything. So far it's been nothing. Is it really that hard?

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • freecrack
  • UtopianSky
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      UtopianSky  
    • Even in the Year 1076 Christians Couldn't Get Along with Their Neighbors.

      Christianity and Islam are two sides of the exact same coin, and it's a worthless coin.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
  • onemalefla
  • littlwarrior
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • onemalefla:

      its because they know i am superior and have legitimate offerings that question the status quo. join another blog if you dont like it and stop reading my posts. i really dont give a damn scarlett

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Jeremy_Benson
  • onemalefla
  • congoboy
  • onemalefla
  • congoboy
  • onemalefla
  • congoboy
  • onemalefla
  • congoboy
  • timetide
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      timetide  
    • You left out the part where Pope Urban ran around telling everybody that dying in the crusade would instantly absolve them of all sins in gods eyes. He also had a lovely habit of over-exagerating the threat, saying that muslims would rape women in th streets, force their daughters to wear burkas and burn down every church they can find. You also left out that the eastern Roman empire (the people calling for help long after they ditched Europe to survive on its own) only wanted enough troops to defend the border against any possibble muslim invasion, but pope Urban's fear mongering built such a large, unruly army that they either had to let them invade or risk being invaded themselves. (In fact later crusading armies would burn the eastern roman empire to the ground on their march to the middle east). Great historical distortion though, but next time make it harder to call out if you want it to be effective.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • timetide:

      never said the christians were saints but they have for the most part been through an affirmation since then, some other religions have not and many of them still practice barbaric laws, especially toward women and those who refuse to believe in their way. peace

    • 1 year ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • timetide:

      hmmm who else absolves sin through holy war?
      i guess the church actualy invented jihad, not islam huh.
      but lets blame them any way cuz we know we are right despite having no evidence to state such a thing.

    • 1 year ago
  • onemalefla
  • PirateSauce
  • congoboy
  • onemalefla
  • congoboy
    • -2
      congoboy  
    • onemalefla:

      does it really matter? the site may mean different things to different people. to me its a place to enlighten those with posts they would otherwise not be exposed to, either through their own censorship or that of the main stream media. and its a place for me to have fun, you know like playing in the sand or blowing bubbles, or like having sex. well not as fun as sex but at least as fun as blowing bubbles or watching the sun set, or playing with a puppy or maybe even skipping stones on a placid lake. oh yeah like trying to catch dragon flies too.

    • 1 year ago
  • onemalefla
  • congoboy
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • So the middle east has always been a place of turmoil, but I would like to point out that the attack on the middle east was completely unprovoked. Yes the journey to Jerusalem was long and dangerous but all journeys then were, rule of law in those days was myth. Up until that point Jerusalem had never been in Christian hands and Muslims did nothing to prohibit Christian Pilgrims, it was not until after the long very bloody war, in which the crusaders committed numerous unspeakable acts, that Muslims were wary of the Christians and this was the first time the two worlds clashed. Now that being said, these stories from the middle ages are still used to incite feelings of Jihad, many consider the crusades to have never ended and that they still need revenge against the west. To which I say, get the fuck over it! That being said not all Muslims follow this philosophy, and a large portion of Islam see's the term Jihad as spiritual, that they are fighting for the world blah blah blah, same religious crap as the rest of them.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • congoboy:

      All religions are the same it is only within themselves that are different from the outside they are all exactly the same. Except for Buddhism still can’t figure that one out, in a good way though.

    • 1 year ago
  • tverdell
  • congoboy
  • littlwarrior
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • tverdell:

      well budism is a way of life with basic belifs in the after life, so they kinda are although they have no "higher power" so ya kinda not too. Like I said I havent quite figured buhdists out. Really though religions are the same, they all beleive their way is the right way, if you dont do it their way then its bad, if you do it their way then its good. Oh and their god or gods will at somepoint destroy the world and it will be a really bad time for everyone who didnt do it their way. The rest is just semantics.

    • 1 year ago
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