America's Founding Fathers Probably Smoked Pot

Doubtless true. He had to have something substantialy motivating
to get him in the mood after years of marriage. After that, all Martha
had to say to him was: " me hony, me hony, me love you long time "
to get him to salute.

yeah last week

I mean for fucks sake it was even illegal NOT to grow hemp on your farm in the 17th and 18th century in Virginia. That sounds more interesting to me than a story about a 'probably happened?' event. This has documentation to back it up, Founding Fathers smoking hemp does not.

Hell, I'd like to see Virginians rise up and say hemp growing laws needs to be reinstated as a tribute to their state's history!

http://www.globalhemp.com/Archives/History/hemp_history.html

"Until 1776 many colonies passed laws to encourage farmers to produce hemp, Virginia designed laws to compel farmers, fining those who did not comply. Lobbyist were hired to promote, and education the public about the importance of hemp. Books were published that wanted to establish hemp as America’s trademark product.

Colonies under the crown, were banned from spinning and weaving hemp, this fostered dependence to England, which was demanding raw materials from the colonies as a way to increase its labor forces. The exported fibers, were then bought back as finished products from England. As the market was flooded with hemp, immigrant weavers from Ireland arrived in Massachusetts, setting up shop and passing their skills to the peasantry. What may have seem a small movement, grew into self-sufficiency from the British Crown, to the extent of a boycott of English fabric products. These were some of the conditions which lead into the War of Independence from the British. The American paper industry was born of hemp, linen, and cotton rags which provided writing materials throughout the war, essential for communication."

Notice what they're saying they're using the hemp for? Notice they don't say "it was smoked like Tobacco cus everyone liked to smoke it just like tobacco". Anyone else notice this? Not smoked, spun. Isn't it funny how back then it was illegal to spin hemp fibers into clothes or rope? Now it's illegal to smoke. People could give a shit nowadays about spinning and weaving hemp hahahah

“Some of my finest hours have been spent on the back of my veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as the eye can see.” - Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption." - John Adams, U.S. President

"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President, from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany

"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President

there you go dumbass

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Nice... I wouldn't have gone with that, personally. Not to mention you didn't link sources for your statements with something along the lines of a .edu or .gov at the end of it or an accepted historical or archeological society document reference.

Thomas Jefferson statement, invented on Internet.

John Adams' statement was referring to making it a cash crop of the colonies as I already mentioned, for rope, clothes, and paper production.

Lincoln's letter, faked according to the curators of the Hohner museum
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Abraham_Lincoln_like_to_smoke_marijuana

"The letter is supposed to be hung in the Hohner museum, but curators have long insisted its not being there. It is possible that no letter ever existed and just as possible that a Lincoln fanatic stole it while on a museum tour. Lincoln, himself, was never popularly known to be a smoker."

Lincoln's last statement, real. Also it says nothing about himself using any drugs. People can support drug users and not BE drug users you know?

There you go dipshit. Seriously. Find me a history book or a published work for your sources next time. THEN I'll believe you. When the only place I can find references to your sources is Internet forums it makes you look really bad.

Why is this SO important to you, to have the approval of the Founding Fathers? Why do you need them to be like you? Why do so many fucking assholes ALWAYS want the Founding Fathers to be just like them???? They weren't like you. They were lawyers. Move on with you life and like I said before, STOP TRYING TO REPACKAGE HISTORY TO SUIT YOUR OPINION LIKE A FUCKING WANNABE GLENN BECK!

So that's why you're so angry...

So that explains your posts!

HA!

Talking about yourself again I see. I wonder does Moms still clean your shitty undies and make your peed stained bed while you shout at her for not havin' your biscuits and gravy on the table when you comes home?

and now..we still have slaves that we fondly call ILLEGAL immigrants to pick our shit up...and it seems men still wore girlie wigs and spoke like perverted douchebags

Your pic is AWESOME!!!!

Lol...yes they did...lol!

Herer may not be a licensed historian, but he was a dedicated anthropologist on the search and discovery of why Cannabis was prohibited in 1937. The main reason he found was that smoking "marijuana" (a word, derived from nowhere, to connect the plant to the Mexican heritage, in order to move them out with fear) causes anger and frustration, which leads to becoming an ax-murderer -- true statement. A few decades later, they released that smoking the same plant, "marijuana," makes you deprived of life and turns you into a zombie. This flipped their earlier message about it's side effects 100%, and still nobody caught on. Why? Because the doctors and the government know whats best.. Yeah, right.... since when?

he's about as reliable as wikipedia

Your logic doesn't make anymore since than the one you are coming after... For one, cannabis wasn't an unknown plant... The Chinese and the Russian's both had been growing it (and smoking it) for a long while and also had trade routes set up with early America. So it wasn't an idiot move to smoke it, because it wasn't just some random plant. I'm not saying they did, but you can;t rule that out either just because your biased views on it are limited.

Like you said, the Russians and Chinese. NOT the British. Tobacco was the number 1 smoked crop of the American colonies it was their literal CASH CROP. Anyone with a basic knowledge of early American colonial history knows that.

Jefferson and Franklin were both ambassadors to France, and during that time there was a huge hashish vogue in France...so being the socialite type they definitely passed the pipe among their colleagues.

The THC content really varies, and depends on how you grow it. Washington's journal entries show that he tried to make a sinsemilla (spanish for without seed) crop by separating the males from the females. Without males to seed the females, the females concentrate on producing the THC laden trichomes instead of using that energy to make seed. You only do that if you are trying to make medical herb, and if he was growing solely for industrial purposes there would be no need for that.

Archaeologists who dug up a 2,700-year-old tomb of a shaman near Turpan out in far west Xinjiang province found a curious pouch. News reports call it the oldest stash of marijuana on Earth. It was a sinsemilla crop, so the knowledge for producing high THC crop has been around for several millennium.

My god would you people read a fucking book on the subjects you post on. India as just one example has been Cultivating Marijuana for thousands of years. This practice found its way back to Europe with Magellan. The Europeans thought they had brought it to the new world but the native Americans had been growing and using a strain native to South America for as long if not longer than they had been cultivating tobacco. And the suggestion that accomplished farmers like Washington Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin author of the Poor Farmers Almanac did not know what the medicinal uses were for the plants that grew in their gardens and around them is absurd. Please do yourself a favor next time and think about and research a subject before you write and show everyone your ignorance.

I was out in the hall. Did I miss anything good? Haha, jk....

Excuse me. I apparently know more about the subject matter than you. Pipes for smoking were an invention of the American Indians of the Americas. So you suggesting Indians of India smoked weed is absurd YOU need to read a fucking history book. They probably made tea out of it, they made tea out of everything. Smoking marijuana in ancient India? No. Romanians are the first recorded 'smokers' of Marijuana in 500BC by Herodotus and they would make a bonfire, all sit about it and inhale the fumes while throwing on marijuana plants.

To suggest they would exalt one of their plants above all the others in their garden, and that one plant NOT being tobacco you in fact, sir, are a moron. Anyone with even a basic knowledge of early American history knows that Tobacco was the number one cash crop of the new world and especially the southern colonies like that of Thomas Jefferson's plantation.

And yes hemp is a strong and durable plant used for paper, rope, all sorts of uses. To suggest that simply because they were growing it they were smoking it is a fucking stupid ass claim to make. Find me a SINGLE legitimate reference to Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, or Benjamin Franklin smoking weed and referring to it by name. And don't say they didn't know the name cus you just said they knew all about all their plants. I would bet ANY reference to the hemp plant would be talking about paper, clothes, or rope making. I bet good money on that. Also don't say "Historians have suppressed the knowledge" cus that's a fucking cop out bullshit excuse. Historians sure didn't suppress the knowledge of Ulysses S Grant using Heroin why would they suppress marijuana use?

I already know all of this. But the Chinese you referenced could not have smoked that marijuana from a pipe. And it's unlikely that they would have used the bonfire smoking technique first recorded by Herodotus, with such a small baggie of it on him. PIPES WERE INVENTED BY NATIVE AMERICANS! So the Chinese body found with marijuana was either for tea making OR for sacred properties that had nothing to do with actually USING IT. Don't know if you're aware of this but the ancient Chinese have TONS of sacred herbs regardless of any active properties in them. They'd make a tea with tiger penis, it did nothing but they thought it did cus it was supposed to be all sacred.

And to suggest Jefferson wholeheartedly loved marijuana more than tobacco is ridiculous. He would have been a piss poor Southern plantation farmer in the colonies if he grew marijuana instead of tobacco on his plantation. Yes, he did grow hemp but I've never found or heard of any reference to him using it for any other purpose than rope, clothes, or paper production. Tobacco was the real 'smoking' gold in the American colonies, it was their largest cash crop. Anyone with even a basic knowledge of American history knows this. Jefferson loved tobacco the same way everyone else in the South loved tobacco. It made money. Sure they may have tried it in France but to suggest they did anything beyond that with it I'd need PROOF as in FACTUAL documentation to show they used their hemp plants in America for anything other than paper, rope, or clothes production (the most common uses of hemp in those days). He wrote a lot of books about plants and as far as I know there isn't a single reference to smoking the hemp plant. And DO NOT give me that most bullshit of all answers 'the historians are trying to cover it up!' because historians sure didn't try to cover up cocaine and heroin use and alcoholism of Ulysses S. Grant.

Because Ulysses S grant is considered one of the worst Presidents in history.

#2 this lesson is officially over you obviously don't know a fucking thing about this subject and I refuse to waste my time trying to educate you any further. If you really think that no one else in the world had pipes for smoking frankly any kind of herb they liked until the Europeans came to the Americas then you obviously don't know squat about shit. So have fun in you ignorance.

oh ya here are some quotes for your ass.

“Some of my finest hours have been spent on the back of my veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as the eye can see.” - Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption." - John Adams, U.S. President

"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President, from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany

"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President

And yes they referred to everything as hemp both the industrial and the herb as is pointed out further up this thread the marijuana was invented in the 20th century as a way to tie the Hemp or Cannabis plant to Mexican immigrants and blacks. In fact there are references to an ingredient called Kanabos in the Hebrew Torah as an ingredient of the anointing oil used in the temple before entering the holy of holies. Scholars are convinced that the description given in the Torah are referring to the cannabis or hemp plant thats a long time prior to your roman crap.

the man is missed. r.i.p. brad.

bitchin' lyrics...totally Sublime ;P

Yeah, because only liberals smoke pot, right?
Dickhead.

and we should have left Texas to the Mexicans and killied every one of those fucking confederate soldiers and there kin. Oh well hind sight is allway 20/20. but hay look at it this way act up in public with your BS and some one will be happy to give you another hole in your head.

i know its simpler as a member of the right to simply deny history that does not comply but the terrible truth is if our founding fathers were alive today they definatly wouldnt be right wingers.

Damn bro leave your hate at the front door, here have some of this Maui Wowie I picked up from a friend....it'll fix you right up :)

Got my word on that lol

In his farm journal of August 7, 1765, Washington notes that he "began to separate the male from the female hemp... rather too late." An astute agronomist, Washington could only have been seeking a sinsemilla crop with stronger "medicinal" qualities.

good you should get out while you can, The west is the best baby get here and we'll do the rest. Oregons pretty kick ass.

I'm not holding my breathe for the east to get with it any time soon, I can't wait to get out there, even if for only a vacation

Without liberals, you would not have freedom of speech to post the crap you do.

Without liberals, you would be in jail.

You got maui wowie? I'm comin over! Lol

this is bullshit. its an example of people who shouldn't be parents. has nothing to do with the story posted.

Hmm. Well this is a mildly interesting story, but I'm curious: Why did you post this story here? How does it relate to the topic of this board? I mean, besides the subject of pot.

the thing is, that child would be much worse off if it had drank her beer...that happens a lot too

lol i remember my bajan family giving me our national drink (rum) at two! rasta kids smoke weed as well. she's just an idiot for video taping it.

and this has nothing to do with the article

They probably didn't mention the crack she was smoking that made her an irrational parent...

I'm sure their wives preferred, just as they themselves preferred them to be stoned than drunk

Well, I'm sure they preferred them to be stoned over drunk, but 9/10 wives prefer their husband sober. I'm sure that was true back then as well.

Monticello used to sell them until the DEA made them stop in the nineties

There's probably hundreds if not thousands of people still growing Jefferson's strain.