Comedy | December 21, 2010 | 202 comments

Global Warming is Passe'. Ice Age is the New Word of the Day!

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CHICAGO — Contrary to the conventional wisdom of the day, the real danger facing humanity is not global warming, but more likely the coming of a new Ice Age.

What we live in now is known as an interglacial, a relatively brief period between long ice ages. Unfortunately for us, most interglacial periods last only about ten thousand years, and that is how long it has been since the last Ice Age ended.

How much longer do we have before the ice begins to spread across the Earth’s surface? Less than a hundred years or several hundred? We simply don’t know.

Even if all the temperature increase over the last century is attributable to human activities, the rise has been relatively modest one of a little over one degree Fahrenheit — an increase well within natural variations over the last few thousand years.

While an enduring temperature rise of the same size over the next century would cause humanity to make some changes, it would undoubtedly be within our ability to adapt.

Entering a new ice age, however, would be catastrophic for the continuation of modern civilization.
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202 comments // Global Warming is Passe'. Ice Age is the New Word of the Day!

  • Ryuu88
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      Ryuu88  

    • Ok I would just like to point out that any respectable scientist calls the phenomena "climate change" not "global warming"

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
  • congoboy
  • Vierotchka
  • Ryuu88
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
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    • 18. Is the climate of Earth still changing? Yes. The climate of Earth has been in a constant state of change ever since the planet was first formed and it is still changing. The change happens relatively slowly and we have only recently developed the tools and the knowledge necessary to discover the patterns of change over past eras and to record the gradual changes that are happening during our own lifetimes.

      19. How can we find out what the climate of Earth was like hundreds of years ago? Detailed, accurate records of the weather have only been kept for the past few decades. But, there are lots of places to look for clues - rock formations, ocean sediment cores, pollen in amber, or tree rings. When 17th century Dutch artists painted their now famous winter landscapes they were illustrating the fact that there were many extremely cold winters in the 17th-century. This period in history is called the Little Ice Age. The generally cold climate of the period is confirmed in the records of their grape harvests kept by French winemakers for the past 500 years.

      20. What do we know about past climates on Earth? Geological records suggest that the first Ice Age ocurred about 2.3 billion years ago and the most recent Ice Age extended from about 22,000 through 12,000 years ago. During that time, glaciers covered much of the north including Canada and northern Europe and Asia. Global temperatures were about 10 degrees F. cooler than today. Studies seem to show that climate changes can be surprisingly abrupt. It seems an ice age can develop in as short a period as an average human life span. Some scientists believe that we are overdue for the development of another ice age.

      21. What happened in between the ice ages of past eras? During the Pleistocene era, extending back about 600,000 years there were four ice ages and in between these the temperature was about 5 degrees F. warmer than today. Before that time, going back about 100 million years to the Cretaceous period, global temperatures appear to have been perhaps 18 degrees F. warmer than today. Ocean levels rose and water spilled over onto the land creating differently shaped land masses. The possibility that in our current era human activity is causing global warming is a hotly debated and so far undecided issue.http://www.explorit.org/science/weather.html

    • 1 year ago
  • noxidereus
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • noxidereus:

      its too bad the records dont go back more than a couple of decades...Is the climate of Earth still changing? Yes. The climate of Earth has been in a constant state of change ever since the planet was first formed and it is still changing. The change happens relatively slowly and we have only recently developed the tools and the knowledge necessary to discover the patterns of change over past eras and to record the gradual changes that are happening during our own lifetimes.What happened in between the ice ages of past eras? During the Pleistocene era, extending back about 600,000 years there were four ice ages and in between these the temperature was about 5 degrees F. warmer than today. Before that time, going back about 100 million years to the Cretaceous period, global temperatures appear to have been perhaps 18 degrees F. warmer than today. Ocean levels rose and water spilled over onto the land creating differently shaped land masses. The possibility that in our current era human activity is causing global warming is a hotly debated and so far undecided issue.

    • 1 year ago
  • coolplanet
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      coolplanet  

    • Has anyone here read "Plows, Plagues & Petroleum: How Humans Took Control of Climate" by William Ruddiman (Princeton 2005)?
      It's the most interesting book I've yet read on the climate change. Ruddiman shows how humans have been warming the climate ever since the advent of agriculture some 8,000 years ago with slash-burn deforestation and methane from rice fields.
      His most interesting finding is that the industrial revolution might have prevented an ice age that should have started centuries ago according to the geological record and the procession of the equinox which drives ice ages.
      Even more interesting is his hypothesis that the sudden death of millions of Native Americans from first contact with European diseases triggered the Mini Ice Age from the 16th to the 19th centuries. Suddenly far less carbon and methane no longer entered the atmosphere.
      James Hansen (the man that first alerted the world to the danger of global warming back in the early 1980s) says of this book: "Bill Ruddiman's provocative suggestion of early human influence on the atmosphere will draw fire. But I stand with Ruddiman: the simultaneous upward departures of carbon dioxide and methane from climate indicators, unique in 420,000 years, is probably an early footprint of humankind."

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • coolplanet
  • MrMxyzptlk
  • congoboy
  • MrMxyzptlk
  • congoboy
  • MrMxyzptlk
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • MrMxyzptlk:

      so a strict diet of red meat only then, or is the methane produced by mammals an even bigger threat? i say maybe we hold the heads of the vegans under the blankets with a flatulent cow. maybe that'll convince them our direction.

    • 1 year ago
  • MrMxyzptlk
  • congoboy
  • Sparky2U
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      Sparky2U  

    • It was 82 Degree's in Austin Texas today. I was running my AC. In two days it will be down to the lower 30's..go figure.

    • 1 year ago
  • bailey78
  • congoboy
  • ozoneocean
  • TypeMemeHere
  • congoboy
  • Vierotchka
  • bailey78
  • congoboy
  • congoboy
  • ras_menelik
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      ras_menelik  

    • First time I experienced snow The most amazing thing about it was how mild the temp was, it snowed for two weeks then the sun came out and the temp fell to -20C That I didn't expect it was a small town in a valley and when ever the sun came out it melted some of the snow and cooled the air, all that cool heavy air rolled down the mountain and settled in town
      The year was 1984 and they hosted the Olympics and I got my 1st lesson in global warming

    • 1 year ago
  • toyotabedzrock
  • congoboy
  • thedirtman
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      thedirtman  

    • Well, I don't know but I think those rising temperatures could mean its getting warmer. So we must be in luck? That frog in the pot was thinking he better get warm before the next ice age comes around. Why didn't Al Gore think of that?

    • 1 year ago
  • coolplanet
  • MizPiz
  • congoboy
  • MizPiz
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      MizPiz  
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    • congoboy:

      That's only true when it comes to CO2 and warmth that is completely natural (nothing that comes directly or indirectly from something man-made). A better representation of what could happen is this*.

      You're claim doesn't take into account that:
      1) Not everywhere on Earth is suitable a "tropical" climate.
      2) The places that are tropical environments will remain at a constant temperature and pollutant level.

      * That used to be a coral reef.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • MizPiz:

      as a scuba diver i can relate and have seen these things personally. i am not saying that mankind hasnt had any negative impact on the environment, of course he has on a more localized level . but globally is a bit of a stretch. actually we have taken great strides in improving the environment in the u.s. over the past 30 or 40 years. no, not everywhere on earth is currently suitable . but climates naturally change. why else do you find evidence of sea life fossils on mountain tops and tropical vegetation buried under tons of ice in more northern regions. not to mention earth core samples that show that the planets environment has changed and altered dozens of times in its history and all before the industrial age.

    • 1 year ago
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  

    • Ok everybody that was here for the last ice age raise your hand. Ok those that know what caused the last ice age please inform the rest of us on the cause and effect it had on the planet.

    • 1 year ago
  • thedirtman
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      thedirtman  
    • bailey78:

      Okey-dokey.

      The Milankovitch Effect caused the last ice age - that is the total effect of Earth's orbital eccentricities and wobbles as it orbits the sun. Most of the last 60,000,000 years have been ice age. The last 9,000 years of non-ice age have come because of an unusual alignment of the 4 components of the Milankovitch.

      In the sixties there was a prediction of the next coming ice age, but that was wiped out due to AGW. The ice age will never happened because we fell over our own banana peal.

    • 1 year ago
  • thedirtman
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
  • thedirtman
  • thetrimsmith
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • JanforGore
  • congoboy
  • rhetoricallyineffective
  • vixxxen618
  • congoboy
  • neocongo
    • +3
      neocongo  

    • Getting a right wingnut to believe in the science of global warming is as difficult as getting the same wingnut to believe carbon dating disproves biblical timelines is as difficult as getting the next generation of tea bagging wing nuts to get a passing grade in high school science. We need to stop wasting our time trying to educate the children of conservatives (they believe after all, in the "self made man concept,") ship their government hating asses to Somalia, and import people with a fucking brain from all over the world to replace them.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  

    • The negative impact of global warming is well-documented. Here are some of the key words associated with global warming: Ocean circulation disruption, desertification, flooding of low-lands due to higher sea levels, more common extreme weather events such as hurricanes, extinction of species, mass disruption to agriculture.

      All of these macro-processes are likely to be the net result of an overall increase in the warmth of the earth; however, on a more micro regional level some of these processes will be reversed. For instance, in colder climates such as Northern Russia and Canada we are likely to see an overall increase in the number of species present. Chances are, these regions will become more suited to agriculture, and to life in general.

      When we talk about the pros of global warming, we usually refer to the extreme northern and southern regions of the world and how beneficial the decline of permafrost would be for its inhabitants. This is true – an increase in global temperatures could in many ways be very beneficial for these regions.

      There is certainly no doubt that global warming is a reality and that humans are causing it or at the very least exacerbate it. The emission of greenhouse gases has soared in the last century, and the atmosphere cannot cope with it. Certain political parties and corporate organizations are not eager for the public to become fully aware of the climate change issue, as it goes against their personal interests (i.e. - oil).

      An individual might say that global warming is great because there will be longer summers, less snow etc, but such a viewpoint is incredibly narrow minded and does not take into account the global impact of changing weather. Many people might feel isolated from the rest of the world in their daily lives, but there is no doubt that if the world heats up at the rate that it is now, the consequent global issues will be sufficiently hard hitting and serious as to impact everyone, no matter where they live.

      Therefore, whilst one has the right to talk about the possible pros of global warming in certain regions of the world, this should be in no way twisted into an excuse to do nothing about the problem. The predicted level of global warming of an average of 5 degrees over the next century could be catastrophic for the world as a whole, and this is what we need to keep in mind. Huge efforts are being made, mostly noticeably in Europe, to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, but with many nations such as the US and China not on board, this is just not enough. The big hope for mankind at present lies in technology, which is advancing rapidly to meet the many challenges that global warming will bring in the next century

    • 1 year ago
  • ayipis
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      ayipis  
    • bailey78:

      come on..skip the "scientific facts" from people with PHDs...

      walk outside..tell me..are you cold or warm??''was your summer a cold or warm summer??

      2 areas where this shit failed..

      one..you idiots initially try to sell this scam as GLOBAL WARMING...no warming seen a clear indication that either they dont know what the fuck they were trying to preach OR they were still trying to perfect their scam...

      two..slimy greedy fucks disguising themselves as philanthropists lets say....al gore.... are telling people that humans caused it and humans can unfuck this by giving him money..

    • 1 year ago
  • neocongo
  • unimatrix0
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • ayipis:

      I don't skip facts they are what make or break a case such as this. I do believe that We are some what to blame for the way things are going. But to what extent I'm not sure.

    • 1 year ago
  • thedirtman
  • crystalman
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      crystalman  

    • These dour doommongering warmists are living in a fantasy world and are driven not by facts, evidence and reality but by political ideology and misanthropy. ‘Environmentalist’ is a misnomer, as these guys are completely disconnected and alienated from the natural world, caught up in a collective psychosis of fallacious thinking. So let’s celebrate climate change and exercise a genuine respect and reverence for nature’s unpredictability and mankind’s achievements.

    • 1 year ago
  • littlwarrior
  • vixxxen618
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      vixxxen618  
    • crystalman:

      This coming from someone that believes in the man in the sky... and we would have to assume believes in an apocalyptic end to the planet with seas boiling and the moon turning to blood. And scientists are the doom-mongering ones living in a fantasy world?! If that isn't irony at it's best.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nephwrack
  • CitizenHill
  • vixxxen618
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      vixxxen618  
    • CitizenHill:

      What the hell is that supposed to mean? Don't try to be ambiguous with your cliche aphorisms. Are you insinuating that I have been duped because I take global warming seriously?

    • 1 year ago
  • CitizenHill
  • vixxxen618
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • vixxxen618:

      I don't think so - old people remember how winters were until 30-40 years ago, have witnessed how since then it has become progressively warmer - with ups and downs - and how winters have become abnormally short and mild compared to how they had been before. So he/she cannot be old, I think they are extremely young and uninformed.

    • 1 year ago
  • vixxxen618
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      vixxxen618  
    • Vierotchka:

      Well, judging by the comments on previous posts, I would guess he is old. Probably over 55. Probably has a lot in common with my dad, who is old, conservative, and mentally inflexible.

    • 1 year ago
  • Vierotchka
  • CitizenHill
  • vixxxen618
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      vixxxen618  
    • CitizenHill:

      Well, I'm sure you are far less concerned with the state of the ecosystem, and the world for that matter, than I am because you will be dead before any of the real shit hits the fan. It's people like me and my kids that will be left to clean up the mess you and your generation have made, and from what I have read it's probably past the point of no return. What do you have to lose if global warming is real? NOTHING. If it's not, life will go on, but if it is you wont pay the price. I WILL. MY KIDS WILL. Your generation are the biggest hypocrites, because you could have done something about this, but you sold out. All your talk in the 60's, that's all it was was TALK. Anti-establishment this and anti-establishment that, and now you ARE the establishment, refusing to admit that you just might be wrong; refusing to admit that you don't know everything. I accept the fact that global warming may not actually be happening because of course I want it to not be true, but could it really be such a bad thing to stop burning oil and polluting the air, ground and water? Could it really be such a bad thing to stop using fossil fuels that will one day run out anyway? But you don't see this, you just keep arguing for the status quo. So thanks a heap. Keep on doing what your doing, it obviously doesn't bother you a bit. But you'll have to forgive me if I'm a bit more concerned, after all, it is my generation and our children that will have to deal with whatever comes while you rot in the ground. That is, if I don't die from cancer first due to all the shit you have been dumping in the ground and spraying on the food for the last 30 years.

    • 1 year ago
  • CitizenHill
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      CitizenHill  
    • vixxxen618:

      You presume too much of what you believe I think, so let me relieve you of that burden.
      Actually I believe much as you do, I also accept the fact that global warming may or may not actually be happening.

      Having said that I also agree that pollution has undoubtedly contributed to cause environmental problems, and serious ones at that, and its very important that mankind reverse those factors if possible - I say possible rather than probable, because irregardless of global legislation to police the environment, all it is, is another thing that will always lag behind the personal interests of the nations to enact enforcement, unless of course you're an advocate of a One World Order.

      We have reached a pinnacle in new technology and global awareness that was vaguely even imaginable a century ago and society as a whole will not willing give it up.
      This planet has gone through these cycles an innumerably number of times before, and NO amount of LEGISLATION will curb or stop the evolution of this planet.

      I also accept the fact that there are factions in every governing body that are struggling for control from and over those who are in power at the moment, each with their own firmly and fervently held beliefs and rationale that what they believe is better for the benefit of man than those who are and have previously gone before them.

      So yes, even that I agree that other than to stop polluting and cutting down the rain forests (which we should), the die may already have been cast, and I think that there's next to nothing that man can do about reversing global environmental events.

      One thing I'm damned sure as hell of - man can't "carbon tax" it back to health - what a joke.

    • 1 year ago
  • vixxxen618
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      vixxxen618  
    • CitizenHill:

      The comment you made to me only implied that I am an apparent fool for even entertaining the idea of man-made climate change. After reading your last comment, you seem to agree that it may be possible, so excuse me for only working off of what you said.

      There ARE things we can do. We can stop pumping billions into oil companies courtesy of Oil lobbyists and bought-and-paid-for politicians. We can stop dumping harmful pesticides into the ground and water. We can make recycling mandatory. These things would do more than a simple Carbon Tax, these are things that we don't need a NWO to get done. We can do them here and now, but the population has to get on board. That will never happen as long as people refuse to believe there is any problem. When you claim that I have been duped, you are saying there IS no problem, or that it is the natural course of things, and I don't think that is likely. I don't separate environmental issues and global warming, they go hand in hand because CO2 emissions are what's causing the warming in the first place, AIR POLLUTION. So I will continue to advocate for change, because it is the right thing to do. To use a cliche aphorism; if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

      Next time instead of just implying that global warming is a fallacy:

      "Those who stand for nothing, fall for anything, and without a doubt, those of the 'global warming' advocacy have taken the "fall."

      maybe you should state how you really feel:

      "Actually I believe much as you do, I also accept the fact that global warming may or may not actually be happening."

      The truth goes a long way.

    • 1 year ago
  • CitizenHill
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      CitizenHill  
    • vixxxen618:

      Yes, I think I mentioned that we must reverse pollution where possible, but the expediency of various inter-national personal interests will likely inhibit it being probable - and yes, I think that you and others are being teased into believing that you can make a difference, and don't forget to make out that check and get it in the mail!

      However you and I seem to have strayed away from the initial point I believed I was making; global warming advocacy will in of itself do nothing to stop global warming, it is what it is - a monetary heist.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  

    • These talking points are a decade old, and they were as wrong then as they are now.

      I love how "skeptics" claim no one really knows how this works but are willing to jump to a totally different conclusion based on one paragraph from a random blog.

      Seriously, who's not thinking this through clearly?

      Believe whatever you want to believe, people will probably go on denying it even after a century of it has fucked over our economies.

      But Climatologists are overwhelmingly concerned about it. And I trust scientists more than I trust pundits or blog writers. They tend to have a better track record of success on these issues.

      I thought that was common sense, apparently not. Someone who has a PhD and works in the field has just a bit of an edge over your neighbor Bob, the self-proclaimed expert on the issue.

    • 1 year ago
  • toastyguy11
  • curtisreed
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      curtisreed  
    • Saladin:

      except of course that those with PhDs won't get grants unless they are investigating the latest fad, and stand to make big money if they are on the "right side" of the fad.

      you just throw out any common sense and healthy skepticism because some dude has a PhD. I'd known a LOT of PhDs who were fucking MORONS. That degree means very little, quite possibly it's a good indicator that the person you are worshipping is a hothouse flower with little or no real world experience.

    • 1 year ago
  • crystalman
  • crystalman
  • littlwarrior
    • +4
      littlwarrior  
    • crystalman:

      And that ladies and gentlemen is why conservatives do so much screaming because education is for the weak. Listen to your preacher he will show you the way, or at least he will show your money the way.

    • 1 year ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • curtisreed:

      Your anti-intellectualism reveals a profound ignorance, and is no doubt a defense mechanism to protect your religious superstitions you are to weak to live without.

      To live in such darkness is a tragedy, and you have my sympathy.

    • 1 year ago
  • vixxxen618
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      vixxxen618  
    • crystalman:

      LOL! Yes, I'm sure those with PhD's didn't actually EARN their degrees by studying and mastering their subject areas. I'm sure they only get them for the yuppie title. You must either never go to a medical doctor or have a very hard time taking the medical field seriously. After all, doctors are just pompous jerks with no actual interest in healing people. But you by contrast must know far more than any of those overeducated fools...

    • 1 year ago
  • vixxxen618
  • littlwarrior
  • congoboy
  • bailey78
    • +3
      bailey78  

    • Why can We not say We just don't know? The Earth is forever in a changeing mode. We can see change but how long have they been tracking that change? we know for a fact that the Earth has had warming and cooling trends sense it was formed. the ice melts it is releaseing it's hidden bounty of the past lives. could We be headed for another iceage? Sure We could just as We could be headed for a hotter dryer planet. We just don't know for sure and anyone that says that they know for a fact whats going to happen is lieing to themselves about it. so lets face it folks We don't know for sure whats going to happen. hell We may be smashed by a big rock one day and it would be over for us but the earth will stll be here no matter what hapens to Us. we are nothing more than a speck of dust floating in space nothing more. So do what makes you happy so long as your not harming others while doing so. Life is to short to worry about whats going to kill us off. That reminds Me none of Us get out alive.

    • 1 year ago
  • congoboy
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      congoboy  
    • bailey78:

      my point exactly! we just dont know...A+ for getting it bailey! and voted up for the most reasonable response beyond my own when it comes to climate change.

    • 1 year ago
  • tverdell
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • tverdell:

      i see it as a way for somebody to put money in their pocket. spreading fear is the planet warming ? well sure it is right now anyway. but what will it do in the next fifty or a hundred years from now? We don't know. We don't know for a fact what somebody's agenda is when saying we are warming. they could be looking out for man kind or looking to put fear in our minds while putting money in their pockets. Any one thats says They know for a fact the in fifty years We will be fighting over water instead of oil is full of it.

    • 1 year ago
  • tverdell
  • bailey78
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      bailey78  
    • tverdell:

      I see that most all topics here either get thrown into a political or racist rant. I don't agree with it and I really try to stay away from it unless I just want to stir the pot like some do now and then. How ever I'm still not so sure we are doing the damage that some say we are. Do we need to cut down on the use of fossil fuels ? Sure We do but Solar and wind energy is free once you get set up for it. Those in charge don't want that to happen. They want us to be dependant on oil and natural gas for the rest of our lives. there are those that are getting richer every second of every day off the petrol chemical products we use every day. Many people depend on it for employment. When you say your going to take those jobs away what will those people do? I will tell ya this They won't be happy and many of them will do stupid things that will cost them their freedom and quite possibly their life.

    • 1 year ago
  • neocongo
  • unimatrix0
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
    • 0
      bailey78  
    • unimatrix0:

      I also would like for you to point out where I said I didn't believe We were getting warmer. I'm just not sure it is all the falt of humans. The Earth has been going through warming and cooling trends sense it was formed. Are we adding to the problem? Why sure we are. The Wife and I have changed to a greener life style We do what we can to do our part. Could We do more? sure We could and We will a little at a time.

    • 1 year ago
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