Comedy | February 01, 2011 | 72 comments

South Dakota Lawmakers Propose Individual Mandate To Require Gun Ownership

Image
WakeUpPeople
State lawmakers in South Dakota have introduced legislation that would require all residents aged 21 and over to purchase a firearm beginning in 2012.

The bill is reportedly meant as a quixotic attempt to protest the reach of the health insurance mandate set to be implemented by President Obama's health care reform, ruled unconstitutional by a Florida judge on Monday.

State Rep. Hal Wick (R), one of the bill's sponsors, recently explained the objective of the legislative demonstration taken on by him and four other lawmakers.

"Do I or the other cosponsors believe that the State of South Dakota can require citizens to buy firearms? Of course not. But at the same time, we do not believe the federal government can order every citizen to buy health insurance," Wick told the Sioux Falls Argus Leader.

Despite the purely idealistic nature of the proposal, it seems perhaps particularly strange in the state of South Dakota, where legal immigrants have been barred from accessing concealed weapons permits since 2002, when the legislature changed the law following the attacks on 9/11. A measure is now in the works to return those firearms rights to legal immigrants.
  1. groups:
    Community,   Comedy,   Funny,   Right Wing Nuts,   6 more
  2. tags:
    Democrats Republicans Guns States 2 more
  3. recommended by:
    WakeUpPeople
  4.     
    |

72 comments // South Dakota Lawmakers Propose Individual Mandate To Require Gun Ownership

  • Yj_Draiman
    • 0
      Yj_Draiman  
    • We have the Constitutional Right to Bear Arms and Defend Ourselves - 2nd Amendment

      "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      It is a right not a privilege, just like you have the right to live and breath.

      Right to Bear Arms is an unalienable right; it cannot be given to someone by someone else, they already have it at birth, and thus, it cannot be taken away no matter how good the reason seems to be.

      "Do not punish or deny the rights of the masses for the sins of the few"

      This applies to any and all rights and privileges stated in the Constitution of the United States.


      The Second Amendment is one of our most cherished. The right to keep and bear arms is what keeps government subservient to its citizenry. Without the right to bear arms, we would have anarchy in the streets, the criminals would still have guns, and violent crime would escalate.

      Thomas Paine:
      "Arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property."
      We plan on exercising these rights to the fullest extent of the Constitutional Law.

      Our society today is brainwashed that when some people abuse their constitutional rights we must punish all of society and revoke that right and privilege.

      When some one uses a weapon, any weapon, gun, knife, pick, ax, saw, car, etc. they get prosecuted, when convicted, they are sentenced not all the people of the country.

      Abuse by some people has been going on since creation and will continue till the end of time. We must control and punish the abusers, not the whole society.

      Case and point is the punishment society is taking today due to terrorism. Since governments are helpless to fight and control terrorism they punish the masses in the name of safety and cause extreme economic hardship and the loss of our constitutional liberties.

      There are Nations that under their Laws citizens are permitted to posses firearms. Check out some of those countries. Crime rate has not increased. Abuses happen, the abusers are punished and not the rest of society.

      It is a known historical fact that the Criminal will always find a way to get a weapon.

      Restricting the average citizen from having a weapon to protect himself and his family, leaves the door open to the criminal to violate those citizens, due to the knowledge that the average citizen has no weapon and cannot protect himself and his family.

      A weapon is a tool like any other tool and should be used properly.

      A knife, pick, ax, saw, car, etc. is also a tool that must be used properly. It is not outlawed, is it?

      A car in today's society is an absolute must. Do the citizens of this country know how many people are killed and injured by automobiles every year, it amounts to thousands, which is much less than with guns.

      And to those who would say this was but a "temporary violation" for the greater good, Ben Franklin admonishes;

      "THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP LIBERTIES TO OBTAIN FREEDOM DESERVE NEITHER.

      Folks, we live in dangerous times, a government that does not trust its citizens to bear arms, is a government not to be trusted by its citizens.

      As the threat to all of our liberties continue basically unabated, remember the words of the great political philosopher Edmund Burke; "The only way for evil men to prosper is for good men to do nothing."

      The right to keep and bear arms should be of great importance to all Americans, if we are to remain a free country we MUST NOT let this right be taken from us
      Remember, freedom isn't free. God Bless you, and God, please bless the United States of America.

      By: YJ Draiman, Northridge, CA

      PS
      The Supreme Court ruled on the Heller case at the end of its term in June, 2008. The Court, which found for Heller in a close 5-4 decision, wrote that the 2nd Amendment did, in fact, protect an individual right. While the court was careful to note that the case did not call into question any laws that regulate guns, it did state, unequivocally, that Heller and his fellow petitioners had a right to own guns in their home. The Court also ruled that while reasonable regulation may be permitted, the requirement that guns be locked and disassembled was not reasonable.
      Supreme Court affirms fundamental right to bear arms
      Tuesday, June 29, 2010;
      MCDONALD v. CHICAGO Syllabus
      The Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right, recognized in Heller, to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self defense. Pp. 5–9, 11–19, 19–33.
      The Second Amendment provides Americans a fundamental right to bear arms that cannot be violated by state and local governments, the Supreme Court ruled Monday in a long-sought victory for gun rights advocates.
      The 5 to 4 decision does not strike down any gun-control laws, nor does it elaborate on what kind of laws would offend the Constitution. One justice predicted that an "avalanche" of lawsuits would be filed across the country asking federal judges to define the boundaries of gun ownership and government regulation.
      But Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who wrote the opinion for the court's dominant conservatives, said: "It is clear that the Framers . . . counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty."
      The decision extended the court's 2008 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller that "the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home." That decision applied only to federal laws and federal enclaves such as Washington; it was the first time the court had said there was an individual right to gun ownership rather than one related to military service.

    • 1 year ago
  • theblackveil
  • EmperorThan
    • 0
      EmperorThan  
    • Let the Loughnering Begin!

      I love that their idea wasn't to create a better health law, but to mock the current health law with a mandatory gun owning law?.... "I can drive a car just fine without your help, see watch me!" *steps into speedboat* -But that's a boat not a car!- "WHO CARES IT'S PRACTICALLY THE SAME THING!"

    • 1 year ago
  • andreii
    • 0
      andreii  
    • Wow didn't know republicans had a sense of humor...

      Although another funny thing is they might actually be serious...

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
    • 0
      Radical_Centrist  
    • Image
    • March 25th will mark the 29th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

      The city of Kennasaw GA's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996. Yet there were only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997). After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

      And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

      With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?

      The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence.

      The facts tell a different story. What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

      "All that being said I do NOT believe the Government should have the right to compel a person to own a Firearm."

    • 1 year ago
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
    • 0
      BrushwithDeathToothpaste  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      Yes but this was a low crime area to begin with. Highly stable, mostly families, decent income. While I do not agree with gun bans, I hardly think this is a good idea for most other communities.

      Crime is directly connected to economics, mental health and education. If everyone had a decent job, access to mental health resources and education then we could pass out firearms on street corners for free. The sad part is that the people who favor unlimited access to firearms want to cut all the programs that reduce crime. They feel it is government robbing them and they start yelling about exercising their second amendment rights.

    • 1 year ago
  • Nabe8
    • +2
      Nabe8  
    • Wow, Lawmakers are bringing up legislation that they themselves do not believe in. What a mockery of our Legislative Branches.

    • 1 year ago
  • bluestranger
    • +2
      bluestranger  
    • It must be a constant paradox, trying to establish the concept of equality in a politically conservative brain. Mandatory gun owner ship would violate religious freedoms and the second amendment at the same time. This is the argument of people who are supposedly the defenders of a fundamentalist interpretation of the constitution?

    • 1 year ago
  • GISchmo
  • TasteHi
    • 0
      TasteHi  
    • Citizens of the United States of Improved America

      Everyone must receive their Emotional Regression Inoculation by age 2
      Everyone must be a reproductive citizen
      Everyone must be a productive citizen
      Everyone must be an organ donor
      Everyone must retire by 95 years of age
      Everyone must exit life by 105 years of age

      ***********Resistance Is Futile***************************

    • 1 year ago
  • TasteHi
  • trut
  • Ricky84
    • +1
      Ricky84  
    • Ignoring the reasons behind this proposal the city of Kennesaw, Georgia has a similar law. Since 1982 they've maintained a city ordinance requiring every head of household to own a firearm and ammunition. Of course they don't enforce that ordinance but all the same its pretty out there.

    • 1 year ago
  • Radical_Centrist
    • 0
      Radical_Centrist  
    • Ricky84:

      They do not enforce it, but MOST households have Guns and MOST crooks know it. Burglary in Kennesaw is a bit like playing Russian Roulette, are you going to be lucky enough to pick the "1" house on the street where EVERYONE including Granny is not packing.

    • 1 year ago
  • mitekillem
    • +4
      mitekillem  
    • This is funny. I like the point they're making. The federal government shouldn't be allowed to force anyone to purchase something. Guns, health insurance, rabies shots, etc.

      But here's the thing about the Health Care Reform Act I don't get.
      Why can't they just write an Amendment to the thing blocking that part of the law.
      Do they know they can do that, or are they just idiots?

      I mean, do I really have to make an appointment to go to Capital Hill, just to point out that they are law makers, and that they can amend laws already in existence, or nullify certain portions, even make changes as time goes on.
      Maybe if I wear my clown suit, I can get them to pay attention.
      I'll use charts so the Republicans will understand what I'm saying.
      They excel at charts. LOL

    • 1 year ago
  • postlapsaria
    • +3
      postlapsaria  
    • mitekillem:

      they are indeed lawmakers... as such they've made laws that get in the way of just making amendments.

      with a split congress, a liberal president and a conservative court, there's no way a simple amendment to such a large law will just skate on through.

      but maybe your chart will convince everyone otherwise.

    • 1 year ago
  • eatmyphuck
  • mitekillem
  • Saladin
    • +2
      Saladin  
    • False equivalency and totally different issue.

      More Republican PR bullshit. They have no substance, they can't deliver anything, so they spend their time whining to get media attention in the hopes that it will get Obama out of office in two years.

    • 1 year ago
  • fun_size
  • PressCore
    • -1
      PressCore  
    • fun_size:

      That might be because the Democrats are their own worst enemies.
      shooting themselves in the foot everytime they clumsily try to get their
      Colt .44 out of their holster in a botched quick draw. The NWO cabal
      chooses presidents long long before any of us go through the charade
      to pretend we vote them into office by our choice. Even the electoral
      college is being played in the present farce. The NWO cabal includes
      the X presidents like George Bush Jr. Witnout meaning to be insulting
      to the naive, it was George Bush Jr.(et al) who erected Nobama to play
      president. And out of loyalty to them he's been rolling out Bush's agenda.
      Proxy server involves more than comsat Internet relays. Watch the History
      channel series Brad Meltzer's Decoded sometime, and you'll see it
      explained to your satisfaction. The 2nd from final episode in this season's
      series covered this.

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • I can see mandating insurance be it car or health when it effects us all for those uninsured, but this is most definitely is against the constitution!

    • 1 year ago
  • MizPiz
    • +1
      MizPiz  
    • A law that forces me to own a gun? Don't I have freedom anymore? The government has no right to tell me what I can do with my life.
      [/satiredepictinghypocrisy]

    • 1 year ago
  • 2helenahandbasket
  • Houshalter
    • 0
      Houshalter  
    • It would require people to OWN a firearm, not carrry it around wherever they go. Most people would probably keep it at home, and that could significantly deter crime. At least in comparison to if the same amount of money used to buy all those extra guns, was spent on more police.
      I'm against the law because I don't believe anyone, esspecially governments, have the right to make me do or buy anything, but it's still not entirely a bad idea.

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
    • 0
      DougChristian  
    • Houshalter:

      It only seems like not a bad idea because you've arrived at the ridiculous and utterly false assumption that having a gun in every home would be a net financial gain to the social system.

      The problem is this: you're imagining a criminal rethinking his criminal life because he knows it is more likely he'll run into a gun if he enters a home and you're imagining a town reducing the size of its police force in response to the outbreak of utopia. The reality is probably more that criminals will find another way or arm themselves more, or just shoot on sight. And even if your dream happens a few times, the savings are meager. You're basically proposing a homeowner/criminal arms race and saying it will save money.

      What you should be imagining, aside from the arms race, is the thousands of accidental gun casualties that are actually happening now at a profound public cost. What do you think happens to that rate when you make people get guns who aren't exactly trained or even interested in them? Seriously, answer that before you say any other bullshit. The emergency medical costs alone are enormous and I'd be curious to know what dollar value you placed on the life of a 9 year old girl when you did your calculus.

      I support your 2nd amendment rights. It's in the Constitution and all people have an innate right to self defense.. But don't be a prick and pretend it doesn't have a cost. And perhaps have a little humility the next time you campaign against sensible gun rules that wouldn't even affect your own gun use.

    • 1 year ago
  • Houshalter
  • DougChristian
    • 0
      DougChristian  
    • Houshalter:

      Took you a month to come up with that?

      I know you said you were against it. Who cares? You're against it for the wrong reason. That doesn't mitigate your ridiculous and irresponsible view of guns in the least.

    • 1 year ago
  • grntasic
  • tommic
    • 0
      tommic  
    • If they think that Eric Holder will not challenge legislation like this they must be retarded. The second amendment makes NO refrence to manatory ownership of guns. That would violate every moral and ethical standard a civilized country stands for. This is sponsered by the NRA not directly but through its members who are in the legislature. Even the conservative Supreme Court would not agree with this

    • 1 year ago
  • mr_tibbles
  • tommic
    • 0
      tommic  
    • mr_tibbles:

      Assholes not you but the legislators who bring nonsense like this forward serve no purpose. There is an outcry over handguns in America right now, this shows just how removed from reality they are. And this is what their being paid to do? South Dakota deserves better than this from those they elect.

    • 1 year ago
  • mr_tibbles
  • bailey78
  • jhobbs74
    • +2
      jhobbs74  
    • I am literally laughing so hard I'm crying. Oh my God, I hope this passes! Population control and better stories on the evening news all in one!

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • jhobbs74
    • 0
      jhobbs74  
    • Almibry:

      I was going to flame you but I noticed in one of your other comments your an MMA fan. Okay, so you're kinda cool for a chick. I'll let your lack of a sense of humor slide.

    • 1 year ago
  • Almibry
  • jhobbs74
  • DougChristian
    • +2
      DougChristian  
    • This whole debate is ridiculous. Conservatives, by necessity, are not intellectually honest people, so I have nothing to say to them, but for normal people interested in the debate, the key point is this: no one is being forced to buy anything. Those who forgo insurance will simply be charged a higher tax rate. Effectively what's going on is that taxes were raised but those who get insurance get a tax break. It's conceptually identical but actually more fair than the systems that charge you for Medicare and Social Security whether you want them or not.

    • 1 year ago
  • Houshalter
  • Saladin
    • 0
      Saladin  
    • Houshalter:

      Because then it would be a tax proposal, not a mandatory requirement. Offering tax breaks for buying and guns and raising taxes on those that don't is a far cry from REQUIRING, on pain of legal action, the ownership of one.

      It's just another bullshit Republican PR bill, just like the abortion bill going through congress right now.

      They're just playing politics, they don't give a shit.

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
    • 0
      DougChristian  
    • Houshalter:

      Yes, in theory. You would just say that if you own a gun, you get a reduced tax rate. Of course, that's not justifiable the way health insurance is since gun ownership is a net cost to the system while insurance ownership is a net boon to the system. So, you'd have to be devoid of all sense of logic, or a Republican.

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
    • 0
      DougChristian  
    • Saladin:

      Yep, can't stress enough that the health bill does NOT "require, on pain of legal action" that anyone buy insurance. You will simply be able to reduce your tax liability by showing proof of insurance on tax returns.

      Partisan Republicans are trying to make an analogy to an obviously ridiculous parallel. But like everything else, they've intentionally twisted the facts and are pathologically sticking to it to get their way. Anyone who's sunk that low in humanity is beyond redemption, but it's important to learn to recognize their logic crimes so that actual good people aren't fooled by them.

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
    • -1
      PressCore  
    • DougChristian:

      There are citizens who don't have tax liability for one legal reason
      or another in the tax code. Usualy that doesn't imply anything in
      any way a favorable situation. They could be working poor. They
      could have had a business that went eventualy bankrupt after
      years of sustaining losses under Schedule C. The tax code gives
      them 20 years to carryforward those net operating losses to offset
      the adjusted gross income down to where even a standard deduction
      and personal exemption reduce all tax liability to 0. So I ask you:
      What motive would anyone in either of these circumstances have
      to reduce a tax liability that amounts to 0 anyway ? My point is their
      one size fits all attitude reflects that they haven't thought it through
      enough to make it equitable for all people, Not with him pressuring
      them to fit his railroad schedule.

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
    • 0
      DougChristian  
    • PressCore:

      What's your point? The people in the situations you describe would actually be eligible for subsidies to reduce the cost of insurance. They may be able to afford insurance for the fist time. If they choose not to and instead rely on me to pay their bills if they get sick or injured then their tax liability will no longer be zero. And frigging rightfully so.

      What's with conservatives always imagining obscure aspects of things and doing it incorrectly while ignoring huge obvious things? You're worried about someone who's been avoiding taxes for years through a structured bankruptcy who's losing his ability to milk the system for emergency medical costs by avoiding health insurance without any tax liability? Seriously? And yet you have no concern for the millions who had been shut out of the insurance market due to preexisting conditions who lived in terror and who's lives have literally been saved by this legislation? Nice priorities guy.

      Look, the reality is your political philosophy is one of profound selfishness. And you know what? That's ok. It's a free country. But what's despicable is you pretending that you hold your position out of concern for anyone else and especially the "working poor".

    • 1 year ago
  • PressCore
    • 0
      PressCore  
    • DougChristian:

      I apologize if I inadvertently offended you. I can see it's an emotionaly
      charged issue for you. Perhaps I did not understand all you were saying
      or all the law amounts to in it's current form. But I was merely attempting
      to pull the argument away from being an emotional one to rational one.
      Whether you want to believe it or not is your business, but none of those
      things you claimed about me are factualy valid or true. If you've read my
      other comments on this topic you'll see I'm willing to contribute to the
      health care insurance of others so long as it's on a not for profit basis.
      I and my family have given heavily beyond our means to charity all our
      lives. We're anything but selfish, and abusers of the system. You realy
      should lighten up, and not get so carried away that you make unwarranted
      assumptions about citizens you aren't aquainted with. To keep it social
      here in our community, it's a good idea to keep it on the cooler side, OK ?

    • 1 year ago
  • toyotabedzrock
    • 0
      toyotabedzrock  
    • That would be illegal since not everyone at one time buys a gun.

      Health care on the other hand is something that you need when your born and to get vaccines for school and eventually you need it when your old.

    • 1 year ago
  • allstarz8
  • jhobbs74
    • 0
      jhobbs74  
    • toyotabedzrock:

      Why exactly do you 'need' healthcare when your old? Granted I'm only 36, but its been a fulfilling life. No need overstaying my welcome. That's why my medilert dog-tag says "Do not resuscitate." and "No heroic measures."

    • 1 year ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • postlapsaria
    • +3
      postlapsaria  
    • that's brilliant.
      i want EVERYONE to have a gun, even they don't have the composure to use it safely when under duress or are asshole-mentality jerks with a charles bronson trigger fingers. it's a GREAT idea.

      THIS SHOULD TOTALLY BECOME LAW. if we ALL have guns, we'd be 100% safe because no one would dare try anything... just in case, ya know, the person they're shooting because they looked at them sideways at a traffic light, or maybe didn't apologize for bumping into them, maybe that person is a sharp shooter, and that's just not worth the risk right, even if your gun is semi-automatic and you have a 30 round clip. people would totally show sensibility when carrying such powerful firearms.

      too bad it's just symbolic, great symbolism though! even though people don't HAVE to buy insurance because the fine is about the cost of a deductable, so when someone DOES get sick, they can just get the insurance they need since their pre-existing condition won't be an issue-- even though vouchers and tax credits will make this like medicare for millions of americans-- even then, the government telling me i should have something to help me pay for costly medical services so i don't go bankrupt paying for an emergency room bill is TOTALLY socialism and I won't stand by while the government tries to make it possible for millions of americans are healthy!

      guns for all, health insurance for only the rich!

    • 1 year ago
  • good_stuff
    • 0
      good_stuff  
    • Many will argue that health insurance mandate isn't the same as a car insurance mandate because one need not own a car. The thing to remember here is that people who are poor get free health insurance, so nobody is going to be on the streets because of this mandate (in fact, based on bankruptcy records many more would be in thier house if they had insurance before they got sick).

      I say make a public option that anyone can join on the day it starts or until they turn 21. If you don't want to join, then you won't get any services until you pay upfront at the doctor/hospital with cash. This would accomplish the same thing, but make people feel they have an option. Plus, the dumb ones will be less likely to pass on thier stupid genes.

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
    • +1
      WakeUpPeople  
    • good_stuff:

      "...then you won't get any services until you pay upfront at the doctor/hospital with cash."

      Unfortunately that is where the problem lies. Hospitals are required to treat you in the emergency room even if you cannot pay. That is why medical costs have gone up so high. The people who can pay are essentially paying $25/Tylenol because 50 others didn't pay for theirs. By requiring everyone to have insurance, costs will ease because more people will be paying for their treatment (not to mention the saved costs from preventive care/medicine).

      You also have to consider that if you allow people to wait until they get ill to purchase insurance, the spread of risk is eliminated which is how insurance works.

    • 1 year ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
    • 0
      cantucwearebrothers  
    • WakeUpPeople:

      The uninsured often receive services that the insured don't receive.

      The whole system needs to be for the benefit of the people; until it is not much will change.

      I am of the opinion that you should be penalized for behavior that incurs illness. For example...you pay a higher premium if you are over weight, a smoker, don't exercise regularly, etc. The reverse should also be true...you receive a lower premium if you keep yourself in optimum health.

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
  • ArchDruid
  • bailey78
  • MizPiz
  • Saladin
  • Ricky84
    • 0
      Ricky84  
    • Saladin:

      It just looks scary because it fires shotgun shells. In all actuality it fires really small shotgun shells, just above the smallest gauge or caliber since the next smallest doesn't even qualify as a gauge. My 50 year old non-gun shooting step mom has fired the thing if that helps to put things in perspective.

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
  • littlwarrior
  • remanns
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • good_stuff
  • postlapsaria
    • 0
      postlapsaria  
    • good_stuff:

      no you're not.
      prove it.

      my sister in law had her kids in her bed and they haven't been to doctors. a dentist yes, because the girl is 8 and has cavities, but not because they were forced to do so.

      and they by no means are off the grid hippies, they're an average suburban wii family night folks who work middle class service industry jobs and watch reality tv.

      they just don't go cus they don't want to-- and no one is forcing them. what are you talking about?

    • 1 year ago
  • WakeUpPeople
  • postlapsaria
    • 0
      postlapsaria  
    • WakeUpPeople:

      no, she's of the "vaccines cause autism" school -- i don't know if she still holds onto that, but she doesn't vaccinate her kids.

      they're home-schooled too, so it's not an issue.

      only issue that arises is that they're always sick and the only three times my son has been sick in his life have been after a visit to their house.

    • 1 year ago
  • DougChristian
  • postlapsaria
  • cantucwearebrothers
    • 0
      cantucwearebrothers  
    • good_stuff:

      The fact is not insuring my car is illegal. I have no out right legal obligation to take my children to a doctor/dentist. Sure, action could be taken against me if something should happen and I don't, but the explicit legality of it isn't there originally.

      Why do people easily accept that as tolerable? Why is forcing health insurance unacceptable?

    • 1 year ago
more from Comedy:

top videos