Comedy | March 25, 2011 | 39 comments

Fourth Amendment Violation? Hard drive Search Warrants Legal?

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There is a hot debate looming in Washington that will soon take over the top spot in news. The debate is among the Fourth Amendment scholars about what the warrants mean when a judge issues search warrants on computers, if there need to be limits to where and what to be searched at in...

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39 comments // Fourth Amendment Violation? Hard drive Search Warrants Legal?

  • Tiger60
  • Paisano1
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      Paisano1  
    • Laptop and Cell Phone Data Searched at Airport

      "The Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United Sates of America prevents authorities from conducting unsubstantiated or warrantless search and seizure. But do we give up those rights when we have traveled outside the country and wish to return home? The recent detainment and subsequent search of electronic devices in the possession of white hat hacker Moxie Marlinspike seem to indicate so. Marlinspike is not known to be the subject of any criminal investigation, nor does he appear to be an immediate threat to national security. Nonetheless, he was recently detained at JFK International Airport upon returning from an overseas conference, and the cause seems to be an interest in searching his electronic devices..."

      https://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/9761-Laptop-and-Cell-Phone-Data-Searched-...

    • 2 years ago
  • damush
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      damush  
    • WTF? The damn police will pull you over or stop you from walking, to search you. They break the law against you every time when they ask for your consent. Never give them the opportunity because from the reverberation is systemic and congress can reratify the constitution at will. Whoever thought communisim was a threat for that, the US is a tyranical democracy the allows YOU to continously vote of YOUR FREEDOMS!

    • 2 years ago
  • Tsuki_Yo
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      Tsuki_Yo  
    • damush:

      ^'d You're right! We can never give any ground when it comes to privacy or freedom. Someone fought hard for the laws that protect us, and those who want to undo them cannot be trusted. And the polls are always skewed to confuse people into answering incorrectly. For example, you might read that 95% of people support law enforcement's right to search your whole computer, but the question posed to get that statistic on the survey would have read "Do you think police should be able to search a child molester's entire computer, including the hard drive?" People would give a knee-jerk yes answer, without thinking it through. This is what the ACLU is up against all the time. They defend the rights of horrible people because we share those rights. People are just too stupid to think it through. Even tracing an anonymous email back through your IP address is an invasion of privacy that should be prosecuted, but companies do it all the time, whether you've signed any kind of agreement with them or not.

    • 2 years ago
  • jeffreyak
  • PressCore
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  • Houshalter
  • Milieu
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      Milieu  
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    • Re: Debra_

      Who gets to determine what "Cyber Terrorism" is?

      On the whole, I trust Anonymous a great deal more than I do the Republic Syndicate or their Oligarch Masters.

      Does that make me a cyber terrorist?

    • 2 years ago
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  • PressCore
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      PressCore  
    • Milieu:

      Who gets to ? The herd, of course. Their idea of a clean conscience is a
      clean mind. A clean mind is a clean brain. Their brains naturaly require
      regular cleaning because the ideas of truely independent thinkers are who
      see the truth are dirty because they conflict with Corporate Gummint TV
      propaganda. And so the brainwashed need regular infusions of propaganda
      to keep their cognitive dissonance to a repressively tolerable level. Soap
      and water just won't reach those inner recesses of their brain hemispheres.

    • 2 years ago
  • Debra_
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      Debra_  
    • I don't know anything about the 4th amendment or the Constitution nor do I particularly care to know. What I do know is that computers are the latest instrument of violence and we need to give our government and law enforcement officials broad powers to protect us from cyber terrorism.

    • 2 years ago
  • Danny_Mcstotts
  • chew_chew
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      chew_chew  
    • Debra_:

      "I don't know anything about the 4th amendment or the Constitution nor do I particularly care to know."

      And that is one of the biggest problems America has right now... I'm speaking of the "nor do I particularly care to know" part.

    • 2 years ago
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  • Danny_Mcstotts
  • 2damax
  • Paratus
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      Paratus  
    • A warrant needs to state the particular items to be seized but it is easy to see this morphed into a fishing expedition.

    • 2 years ago
  • KB723
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      KB723 [removed]  
    • Could this be the Jobs growth BO promised us???? They are talking about giving tests to folks caught pulled over here in Denver.... Doing some test that will say how much and the last time you have partaken of the Leaf.... Total BS to me!!!! Just another means of invasion of privacy and Fund Raising...

    • 2 years ago
  • good_stuff
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      good_stuff  
    • I beleive the supreme court just made a ruling that children need not be read their miranda rights before being questioned because according to Scalia, "We want criminals to give confessions". I don't think they will have any difficulty ruling on this 4th amendment question.

    • 2 years ago
  • samthesixth
  • itgrunts
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
  • itgrunts
  • bailey78
  • grandavi
  • bailey78
  • grandavi
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  • Itsbatman_Durr
  • bailey78
  • tubagodd
  • riffmage
  • bailey78
  • letsliveinpeace
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      letsliveinpeace  
    • 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

      To pass muster under the Fourth Amendment, detention must be 'reasonable. ' See U.S. v. Montoya de Hernandez, 473 U.S. 531, 542-44 ('85) (analyzing constitutionality of length of traveler's border detention under Fourth Amendment reasonableness standard); Caban, 728 F.2d at 75 (considering whether duration of border detention without a hearing was reasonable).

      In the context of a criminal arrest, a detention of longer than 48 hours without a probable cause determination violates the Fourth Amendment as a matter of law in the absence of a demonstrated emergency or other extraordinary circumstance. See County of Riverside v. McLaughlin, 111 S.Ct. 1661, 670 ('91). However, the Supreme Court arrived at this rule by considering the time it takes to complete administrative steps typically incident to arrest. See id.

    • 2 years ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • As a warrant searcher can not distinguish and eliminate that which they are not expressly entitled to search, it is an unwarranted invasion of privacy to do so. Should a program be employed which scans to only select that data specifically related to the search warrant, then I can not see it in conflict with the principles of non cyber searches.

    • 2 years ago
  • Milieu
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      Milieu  
    • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:

      Should a program be employed which scans to only select that data specifically related to the search warrant, then I can not see it in conflict with the principles of non cyber searches.

      And the Easter Bunny's coming to my house this year.

    • 2 years ago
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