Tim Tebow: a morality play in faith and football (and maybe even national pride)
source: http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2011/11/01/tim-tebow-a-morality-play-in-faith-and-football-...
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At some point, though, whether you’re a nation or a football fan, you have to realize that the refusal to acknowledge facts doesn’t mean they cease to exist.
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- unimatrix0
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avalanche7788
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Tebow had three starts last year also. His throwing motion is 2 tenths of a second longer then the average QB in the NFL which is more then enough time to pick six you. Li Jr I will always say. Awesome human being but he will never be a awesome QB. Maybe a good back up.
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avalanche7788
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avalanche7788
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Tebow had three starts last year also. His throwing motion is 2 tenths of a second longer then the average QB in the NFL which is more then enough time to pick six you. Li Jr I will always say. Awesome human being but he will never be a awesome QB. Maybe a good back up.
- 7 months ago
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avalanche7788
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avalanche7788
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Fact: Tim Tebow is a good human being. Fact: He is not be a good QB in the NFL. Like the guy but he can not play. As a Bronco fan, let him finish the season, trade him and let some other team deal with the craziness.
- 7 months ago
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avalanche7788
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JohnA
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avalanche7788:
The craziness may dominate the press, but as far as his on field performance, I am not convinced he can't be successful. It's only his second start, with a team that won zero games before he started. He will get heat because of his personal beliefs, it makes good copy, it's a hot button for the media. But how he performs on the field will be the test.
- 7 months ago
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JohnA
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wyndesonge
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Well I'm a die-hard Bronco fan and if the Christians can't get it done then they need to recruit some Satanists. St. Timmny will be up close and personal with some Satanists this week ----- we're playing Oakland. Y'all are invited to watch the martyrdom.
- 7 months ago
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wyndesonge
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KB723
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wyndesonge:
I just may, although sports other than cycling are of little interest... Nice to see you again wyndesong, it's been a moon or two... I am saying two... =)
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KB723
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HarukoHaruhara
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KB723:
Go Andy Schleck!
- 7 months ago
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HarukoHaruhara
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KB723
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HarukoHaruhara:
Ya got Me Haruko... =) I am not even aware of that person... Does he cycle??? I like to get after it on Dirt and Road... I have No sports Heroes... =(
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KB723
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HarukoHaruhara
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KB723:
He's a Tour de France rider. How about Cadel Evans? He's the reigning champion. From Oz.
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HarukoHaruhara
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KB723
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HarukoHaruhara:
Again... I have Nuthin'... =( I heard about that Cancer Survivor that had Cancer in his Stones, and I can't even remember his name.... I am sure when I hit submit, I will remember... I know he was a Cyclist... He and I are in different worlds, I liked to BMX when I was younger, Heh, I still do... =)
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KB723
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Milieu
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Been involved with football at all levels (player and coach -- Jr high to college) for 45 years now.
It's clowns like him that make football appear worse than it really is.
- 7 months ago
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Milieu
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HarukoHaruhara
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Milieu:
In a weird way, I find myself almost feeling sorry for him, just because he catches SO much grief.
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HarukoHaruhara
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Milieu
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HarukoHaruhara:
If an idiot stands up in the middle of the staging and yells, " I can lick any man in the house; he's either Gay, or practiced too many years without an helmet.
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Milieu
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Georgia_Jim
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The fact is, as a college football fan, I was so sick of hearing about how great Tebow was at Florida that I am glad to see him having a hard time in the NFL. And to see Stafford (from Georgia) at Detroit beating Telbow (from Florida) at Denver made my week.!!!!
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Georgia_Jim
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JohnA
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Georgia_Jim:
I'm an Ole Miss grad. We beat him once and should have beaten the second time. I like the kid, but he isn't all that.
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JohnA
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JohnA
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Tebow is a football player, no less, no more. A very sucessful football player, but that's it. Why is this in the top ten posts?
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JohnA
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HarukoHaruhara
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JohnA:
He's not a successful football player. That's the whole point. Why are so many people obsessed with such an abject failure?
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HarukoHaruhara
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JohnA
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HarukoHaruhara:
He won a Heisman and two National Championships, you can't argue he hasn't had success. Not in the pros, agreed. But he is still just a football player is my point. He is not some kind of moral leader.
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JohnA
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Lisayou
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JohnA:
Tebow sucks. I am really not sure why the broncos put him in first??????
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Lisayou
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HarukoHaruhara
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JohnA:
Well, what he did in college is ancient history. On the professional level, he has been a mess. He's had a little success, but when he is bad, he is REALLY bad. He only gets so much attention because of the praying and the proselyting.
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HarukoHaruhara
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JohnA
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HarukoHaruhara:
It's only his second year and his second start this year. The Broncos didn't win a game until he started, I think it's to early to tell. No one thought Flutie could make it either.
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JohnA
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faye59
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I just want them to keep using faith like a political football. If they had any compassion for the poor maybe they could have more credibility. As it is I see little empathy for the plight of the jobless or for the poor. I don't think Jesus played football, but some of these creeps will rewrite history to make it so.
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faye59
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GavinTheMother
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I think people need to take it easier on Tebow. The things people are saying about him are over the top. He's only started one game and somehow he's the devil or a savior. He's neither.
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GavinTheMother
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hoosierdaddy
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GavinTheMother:
He's started five games and is a second-year player.
- 7 months ago
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hoosierdaddy
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wynnmeg61
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Tebow made my skin crawl before he ever got onto the field at Invesco. His hyper piety gives me the creeps.
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wynnmeg61
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ilikeike
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"Nationalism is an infantile disease". -- A. Einstein
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ilikeike
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HarukoHaruhara
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Good article. I was thinking of posting a story about Tebow myself. We live in Bronco country and we have yet to meet a Bronco fan who can stand him. Every one we know just DESPISES him. He's obviously a terrible quarterback in way over his head, so why does he get so much attention? Because of how public he is with his beliefs. His supporters are fanatics.
On the flip side, I don't know if I've ever heard a quarterback so savaged. Merrill Hoge last night was just tearing him to pieces. Really cruel stuff. Ryan Leaf and JeMarcus Russell didn't take as much abuse as this guy, and they were just as bad ... and outright punks to boot. I think his piousness -- and yes, I find it irritating to a degree -- helps generates the hostility as well as the passionists.
I have a friend who is a fairly devout Christian and a Broncos fan who says Tebow is "reaping what he is sowing..." And he didn't mean it as a compliment.
It's a free country and he has a right to his beliefs, but I personally am not comfortable with people who feel compelled to wear their religious beliefs on their sleeves (and hence rub people's noses in it) ... and he definitely does that with the public "Tebowing" on the playing field and the Biblical references under his eyes (which the NFL forbids). He is basically begging opposing players to mock him, which Detroit players did with glee. At the same time, it probably just makes him look like a bigger martyr to his supporters.
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HarukoHaruhara
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Cruzankenny
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HarukoHaruhara:
Look at Kurt Warner; he was a great Quarterback, but his Church pushed him to 'witness' every chance he had.
So every time he was on a team and they were victorious, the personage he named and gave the most credit to was not his offensive line. Nor was it the tight end going across the middle, reaching his elbows above his shoulders, expecting what could be a career ending injury at worst and a lot of pain at the least very least, just to get that 1st down. Not to forget the coaches who worked 7 days a week to find ways to execute plays or the defense that stopped the other team from scoring.
Every time he witnessed he put down his team and teammates. But it never entered his head the teaching about honoring the least among you.
That kind of self aggrandizement, using your good fortune handed to you by your teammates; to witness for your religious figurehead, misses the whole message.
On another note, but same subject. I can't picture Jesus or Buddha having a fantasy football team. I tried, but couldn't make it work. - 7 months ago
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Cruzankenny
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HarukoHaruhara
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Cruzankenny:
Another one to look at is Ben Roethlisberger -- a supposedly very devout Christian who wears his religion on his sleeve ... and then look at his behaviour off the field. Definitely didn't practise what he preached.
I prefer guys like Steve Young, who is a devout Mormon, but you would never know it. He doesn't talk about it.
Trent Dilfer is another devout Christian, but doesn't talk about it a lot, and when he does, it's often in context of how his faith got him through the death of his little boy.
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HarukoHaruhara
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Cruzankenny
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HarukoHaruhara:
Let's not look at Ben please. He's a talented quarterback, but someone I'd want to hang with.
Steve Young is an anomaly, I don't think we'll run across another like him for a while. He was devout, in a religion,(or Cult) which had a great past of considering blacks as second class citizens, yet Steve Young, never treated anyone as a second class citizen. He is just one of the worlds nice people. - 7 months ago
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Cruzankenny
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Georgia_Jim
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HarukoHaruhara:
Tebow's religious cult see no fault in the" Almighty Tebow" but the Detroit Loins did!!!!!!
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Georgia_Jim
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HarukoHaruhara
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Cruzankenny:
The only way I would hang out with Roethlisberger is if I had a can of bear spray in one hand and a loaded .44 Magnum in the other.
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HarukoHaruhara
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Cruzankenny
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This is an excellent post. Not because it is a very intelligent and logic driven article about a Quarterback with no NFL caliber talent, but a franchise following. Because it is all that.
But the metaphorical implications regarding our country are logical and thought provoking.
One of my first thoughts after I read it was:
What if we gave up on the idea we are the "Greatest Country on Earth", took our attributes, focused on a rebuilding process and sooner rather than later we may be able to claim that title for real.
I can think of a hundred good football analogies for our present day situation, but I'm only going to use one. The game is won in the trenches, the middle of the field.
The same holds true in our system of Democracy. We need a strong middle class to mitigate the effects of the gamblers on Wall Street, yet allow them to gamble without causing us to crumble. Grow solid in the middle and we can take care of those injured, sick or just less fortunate. - 7 months ago
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Cruzankenny
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chew_chew
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Cruzankenny:
Well said!
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chew_chew
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hoosierdaddy
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Cruzankenny:
Jeez, what a great comment. You ought to go drop that in at the site.
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hoosierdaddy
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Leen61
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Cruzankenny:
Great comment! Voted up!
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Leen61
