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Paul Campaign Touts Endorsement Of Preacher Who Advocates Death Penalty For Gays

source: http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/29/395688/paul-campaign-touts-endorsement-of-preacher-...

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Ron Paul has developed a “live and let live” approach to same-sex marriage and gay rights on the campaign trail, but his efforts to attract Evangelical voters ahead of the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses have revealed, a darker social conservative side to the libertarian Republican from Texas. For instance, earlier this week, the Paul campaign touted the endorsement of Reverend Phillip Kayser, pastor of Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Nebraska, for the “enlightening statements he makes on how Ron Paul’s approach to government is consistent with Christian beliefs.” Kayser has previously argued that the Bible justifies capital punishment against gay people — and still stands by this belief:

“Difficulty in implementing Biblical law does not make non-Biblical penology just,” he argued. “But as we have seen, while many homosexuals would be executed, the threat of capital punishment can be restorative. Biblical law would recognize as a matter of justice that even if this law could be enforced today, homosexuals could not be prosecuted for something that was done before.”

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160 comments // Paul Campaign Touts Endorsement Of Preacher Who Advocates Death Penalty For Gays

  • ContactAcapella
    • -1
      ContactAcapella  

    • One thing that had me look more into Ron Paul (over and above his common sense approach to the issues) is the fact that he is always being smeared or mistreated by peers (and somehow still keeps his cool). Usually these types of practices are to distract you from their stance on the issues. Oh, and not being a bully in the world kind of makes sense to me.

    • 5 months ago
  • 99percentnomad
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      99percentnomad  

    • I am still trying to figure out it Current is the Democrat version of FOX news...? Are you guys free thinking or strung out on the notion that Dems are the panacea to all our woes? FYI both parties are lobbyist whores.

      I love the idea that Paul is a libertarian in a Republican trojan horse. I think it's the perfect sabotage of the party. Cha cha cha

    • 5 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • Dagum
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      Dagum  

    • "Ron Paul has developed a “live and let live” approach to same-sex marriage and gay rights" The article concedes where he stands on the issue.

      Ron Paul is the the endorsee by this man with unacceptable views specifically regarding sexuality. Not the endorser.

      So what are we trying to do with this headline? Guilty by association? Is the reader to impute this random man's views on one issue to Paul?

    • 5 months ago
  • Malikskyy
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      Malikskyy  

    • For someone who is so proud of America, these flag carrying candidates have a funny way of displaying it—especially Paul. While the vast majority of Americans truly believe in America the Beautiful—warts and all—Paul views America as a wart that could be beautiful if it followed his strategy of shrinking for strength. State Rights trumps the rights of the individual, particularly a person’s right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Local Government has the right to discriminate; the right to insure the powerful can use and abuse the common man. Local government has the right to grant rights to the corporate elites/greedy industrialist to put profits before the health of our people. Paul is like a man interviewing for a head coaching position. Many consider him a successful, ambitious, political player who appears to have what it takes to lead a team—especially His rabid, near sighted fans who can see him leading the their team. Most team owners, no matter how in love with the game, are basically business men and women, and they see Paul differently. Paul’s vision of building a great team is to recruit defensive players. In fact, all offensive players would be traded—running backs, wide receivers, including the quarter back. Paul is not interested in building a world class championship team--Paul is more concerned about wearing the team uniform than he is concerned about doing what is necessary to make the entire team great.

    • 5 months ago
  • jeffreyak
  • smartyartypants
  • mrtraffic
  • SFirman
  • jeffreyak
  • SFirman
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      SFirman  
    • jeffreyak:

      Last i checked our president wanted to take the taxes back to the Clinton years for the rich. This was to pay for infrastructure which our country needs and create jobs etc.Jobs helps fix things. Paying the extra taxes durning those years, they were still very rich.The quote "A government which robs Peter(the middle class) to pay Paul (debt) is supported by paul.

    • 5 months ago
  • jeffreyak
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      jeffreyak  
    • SFirman:

      I do not think our money is equally shared. I do believe that when government gets involved in our money it gets worse. We need our most successful companies to survive. We need employers to survive. We need manufacturing jobs in the US to survive. Until we are financially competitive with other countries tax requirements we will not be able to sustain our "economy".

    • 5 months ago
  • Mishima
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      Mishima  
    • jeffreyak:

      Please explain two things:

      1. What do you mean by OUR money? Does this mean that wealth is not owned by individuals but some collective?

      2. What do you mean by "equally shared" money? Redistribution?

    • 5 months ago
  • alexandrek
  • jeffreyak
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      jeffreyak  
    • alexandrek:

      "Our money" is our countries assets which are represented by the dollar. If our corporations were not taxed as they are now it would bring jobs back to our country. This would redistribute the wealth to the working, middle class.

    • 5 months ago
  • SFirman
  • SFirman
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • " Libertarianism fails for me, not because I don't value freedom, but because it exalts ideaology over practicality. Just as it's communist and anarchists cousins do."---
      Kevin Brennan

    • 5 months ago
  • unimatrix0
  • joeredford
  • jeffreyak
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  
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    • jeffreyak:

      I'm simply devastated at your rejection. As an award winning author of some repute, I can't express to you the consternation I feel in regard to being called " uneducated" by a libertarian. However, let us look at the bright side. For the first time ever, I have actually met a liberterrorist who knows when he's losing and when to keep quiet. Miracles really do happen.

    • 5 months ago
  • SFirman
  • jeffreyak
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  
    • jeffreyak:

      I thought I answered this already.
      Lucille Lortel Award for Outsatnding Off-Broadway Play
      American Blues Theatre/Blue Ink Award-Playwriting
      Flannery O'Connor Award for Short Fiction
      Whiting Writer's Award for Playwriting
      Emmy ( Local -San Francisco) On-Air Film & Theatre Criticism
      National Society of Newspaper Columnists- Best Op-Ed Column
      Now that you have forced me to be immodest, shall I stop or go on boring you to death?

    • 5 months ago
  • SFirman
  • jeffreyak
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • " The modern Libertarian is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy, that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
      ---John Kenneth Galbraith

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • " Libertarians and their " I've got mine, Jack" philosophy are people who were born on third base and think they've hit life's triple. In America's egalitarian society it should surprise no one that this cramped, Neo-Victorian philosophy has not caught on."

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • " The protean nature of Libertarianism causes problems for critics in open debate. There is no single basis which can be argued. You need to rebut a half dozen or more sets of assumptions, which pseudo-intellectual Libertarians mix and match with a delightfully inconsistent abandonment of rationality." ---Mike Huben

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • " Nothing is more certain than the indispensible necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their naturalist rights in order to vest it with requisite powers." --John Jay, Federalst # 2

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • " One of thegreat weaknesses of Libertarian theory is that it tends to push too hard by elevating presumptions into absolutes."---Richard A. Epstein, " Skepticism & Freedom"

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • " One of the more pretentious political descriptions is " Libertarian". People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, and to the uninitiated , fairly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bullshit political philosophy." --- George Carlin

    • 5 months ago
  • smartyartypants
  • smartyartypants
  • AmericanStandard
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • smartyartypants:

      I dont have a problem with gay men, I have a problem with any man gay or straight that whips out his dick in my face. I personaly would not have left yelling for some one to get him away from me, I would have punched him in the dick. thats how un-homophobic I am I'll punch anouther guy right in his meat and potatoes while he's got them dangling in my face.

    • 5 months ago
  • moodyblue
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  
    • AmericanStandard:

      An enlightened one would. Especially one with enough common sense and sophistication to know when he was being put on. But of course Ron Paul is neither enlightened nor sophisticated and common sense is rarely used in the same sentence with the word libertarian or republican.

    • 5 months ago
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  

    • "Paul’s Iowa chair, Drew Ivers, recently touted the endorsement of Rev. Phillip G. Kayser"

      So his Iowa chair did something that wasn't the most well thought out. And the "touting it" has been removed from his site.... Do you really think somebody wants to go over all their endorsements with a fine toothed comb?

      Rev Wright endorsed Obama "Goddamn America" and all.....

      And this reiterating a Dr. was afraid to sit on the toilet belonging to a "gay" person is about ridiculous, Paul is older, but I doubt he's that ignorant...

      Oh and there isn't a "Christian" out there advocating the "death penalty" for your average sinner (if that is indeed how homosexual people are seen), I mean you get into the realm of Sandusky, then maybe the death penalty becomes fitting, short of that..... That preacher is going by "old testament" laws, and although Jesus didn't seek to rewrite the "ten commandments" he also brought with him a sense of compassion previously unseen... So it's not a "Christian" ideology to execute someone for being homosexual...

    • 5 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
  • Mishima
  • Milieu
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      Milieu  

    • Yes, if you will kindly check you facts, Ron Paul's John Birch Society is "Kinder and Gentler," much like David Duke's KKK.

    • 5 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  

    • I see a pattern emerging: 1) Negative conjecture about Ron Paul. 2) Fact based rebuttals based on things Paul actually said or did. 3) more conjecture or the end of the argument. I don't know what happened to current but I though this site at one time was actually concerned with the truth and not conjecture. I guess I have been away a while.

    • 5 months ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • AmericanStandard:

      I see a pattern emerging: 1) the Paultards are in denial. 2) They refuse to address the countless news reports detailing the despicable newsletters that bear Paul's name. 3) They think that by referring to established facts as "conjecture" they can obfuscate the clear case to be made for identifying Paul as a racist, antisemitic, homophobic little creep.

      At this point it seems clear that Paul supporters are either white supremacists or weak minded imbeciles being deluded by white supremacists.

    • 5 months ago
  • dudefromtherock
  • AmericanStandard
  • Incredulous
  • misfit20
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      misfit20  
    • unimatrix0:

      1. name calling is one of the lowest forms of argument
      2.If all the evidence you have for his racism is his 30 year old newsletter, that is like saying Obama is racist because of his racist preacher at his church.
      -Please give me a racist or homophobic quote DIRECTLY from Paul's mouth
      3. If your "FACTS" are that he is racist, antisemitic, homophobic creep, then i guess the FACTS are that you have no real argument.

      Obamatard! - see how petty that is? Like a child grasping to any last chance of winning an argument.

      RON PAUL cares more about minorities than any of the other candidates INCLUDING Obama.

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
  • hombre76
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  
    • misfit20:

      Where is your argument ? All I've seen you do is trash other people with nothing but opinion to back you up . Prove to us that Ron Paul is not a racist, misogynistic homophobe. Please see below for a list that you demanded.

    • 5 months ago
  • CarlosBobthe3rd
  • jeffreyak
    • -2
      jeffreyak  

    • This is simply false. The guy endorsed Ron Paul, and was quickly removed from the list endorsers. I donated money to Ron Paul. Do you think they do a background check on everyone who donates? No one does.

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  

    • A list of Ron Paul contributors:
      Chase
      JP Morgan
      Kodak
      Kelloggs
      Lockheed Martin
      Microsoft
      Pitney Bowes
      Verizon
      Morgan Stanley
      Fed Ex
      Ford
      Disney
      Wells Fargo
      IBM
      and a plethora of health care conglomerates, health insurance companies, chemical companies, banks, hotes, hospitals, hotels and invesrtment companies.
      A REAL MAN OF THE PEOPLE. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Afterall ...corporations are people.

    • 5 months ago
  • jeffreyak
    • -1
      jeffreyak  
    • joeredford:

      Funny you didn't mention the amount donated. They donated just enough to make a list of contributors. They donated less to Ron Paul than to any other candidate Including Obama. Stop the misleading manipulated information. Look at the big picture. Details are very important in this sort of smear.

    • 5 months ago
  • jeffreyak
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      jeffreyak  
    • joeredford:

      US Army $78,056
      US Navy $56,769
      US Air Force $55,405
      Google Inc $52,801
      Microsoft Corp $47,923
      US Postal Service $26,591
      Hewlett-Packard $25,318
      Lockheed Martin $23,425
      Cisco Systems $23,007
      Boeing Co $22,434
      Verizon Communications $19,944
      Wachovia Corp $19,629
      US Dept of Defense $19,198
      General Dynamics $18,506
      AT&T Inc $17,946
      Northrop Grumman $16,907
      JPMorgan Chase & Co $16,072
      Apple Inc $15,903
      Raytheon Co $15,830
      General Electric $15,000

    • 5 months ago
  • jeffreyak
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      jeffreyak  
    • joeredford:

      University of California $1,648,685
      Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
      Harvard University $878,164
      Microsoft Corp $852,167
      Google Inc $814,540
      JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
      Citigroup Inc $736,771
      Time Warner $624,618
      Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
      Stanford University $595,716
      National Amusements Inc $563,798
      WilmerHale LLP $550,668
      Columbia University $547,852
      Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
      UBS AG $532,674
      IBM Corp $532,372
      General Electric $529,855
      US Government $513,308
      Morgan Stanley $512,232
      Latham & Watkins $503,295

    • 5 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  
    • joeredford:

      I love how you don't include links because virtually every candidate will have these groups as supporters somewhere. Ron Paul's top three contributors are members of the armed forces. You obviously cherry picked these from the real list here:http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contriball.php?cycle=2012

      Funny thing about the truth is that it has a sneaky way of always getting out to those willing to listen for it!

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  
    • joeredford:

      yes we are the ones with our heads in the sand because we post facts and you post pics of people with their heads in the sand. "Arguing with someone who has abandoned the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine.

    • 5 months ago
  • Incredulous
  • misfit20
  • misfit20
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      misfit20  
    • joeredford:

      Wow, name calling, and posting funny pics

      You are such a great debater, I have no reply to your solid arguments

      When you graduate from high school (if you do) please join us back at current for ADULT conversation!

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • joeredford:

      Funny I know for a fact all those companies gave more to obama But of course that does not bother a blind head in the sand Obamalista worshiper like your self does it HIPOCRIT?

    • 5 months ago
  • Mishima
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  
    • AmericanStandard:

      What reason have you demonstrated? You have only exhibited a blind allegiance to an ill thought out ideology you can't even explain. Like all ideological extremists you know the answer before the question has been asked. Persist in your adoration for all I care, it's not me you're harming--it's your own objectivity. Libertarianism was tossed on the trash heap of history long before Ron Paul made it the latest fad among immature college kids, the Dungeons and Dragons crowd and the cheap, whining middle class males who want to take advantage of all that government offers without having to contribute one dime toward the cost of maintaining a civilized and equal society.
      Mr.Paul will soon be tossed on that same heap, along with his philosophy, by his fellow Republicans (who despise him even more than I) and we will finally be done with this obnoxious theory of selfishness which no society in history has gravitated toward--only turned away from in horror.

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
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      joeredford [removed]  
    • hombre76:

      "Mastery of emotions is fundamental to a virtuous life." A.C.Grayling.
      You may now begin your immature rants as in your previous insulting missive. I have been insulted by experts and you can't even touch them since you have no self control or discipline... not to mention lack of wit.

    • 5 months ago
  • joeredford
  • bike10
  • Crauly_Fingers
  • AmericanStandard
  • misfit20
  • JoanneJ
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      JoanneJ  

    • Does the movie "Dr. Strange love" come to mind when we see the spectrum of issues that are being revisited daily from his past? He is scary and I think there might be some Alzheimer's issues which definitely make him totally unqualified for run for any office!! JoanneJ

    • 5 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  
    • JoanneJ:

      And that is your professional opinion as a medical doctor? "I think" "there might be some Alzheimers issues" Is complete conjecture. SO this conjecture "Definitely make him totally unqualified for run for any office!!" So says the person who doesn't even have proper subject verb agreement.

    • 5 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
  • jubal
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gKXyBgr24c&feature=colike
      Honestly the media is really reaching for ammo against Paul now. Well we cant attack his ideas because they have so much support, we cant attack his voting record because he is amazingly consistent, lets rely on conjecture. The monied elite are shitting themselves over the idea that someone could get elected that will not do exactly as they say. Paul is the only candidate that will not be business as usual. Every unfounded claim should induce skepticism from anyone paying attention.

    • 5 months ago
  • unimatrix0
  • AmericanStandard
  • jubal
  • jeffreyak
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      jeffreyak  
    • unimatrix0:

      Ron Paul did speak at the John Birch Societies 50th anniversary. The John Birch Society is not a racist group. They accept and have black members. The only racist allegation against the JBS is from the 1960s. JBS was against the civil rights movement because at the time they believed it to be communist backed. They do not have that stance now and are not in any way racist today. Please brush up on your history before you accuse anyone of being racist.

    • 5 months ago
  • trut
  • joeredford
  • jeffreyak
  • joeredford
  • joeredford
  • donkeyfly69
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      donkeyfly69  
    • joeredford:

      dude you didn't even respond to him. you haven't responded at all on this whole post except to say that anyone who believes anything different then your opinion (since you've yet to prove any of it as fact) is ignoring the facts (which you have not presented)

    • 5 months ago
  • jeffreyak
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      jeffreyak  
    • joeredford:

      So in other words, you have no proof that Ron Paul is anti gay. Please be serious. He believes in the constitution. He believes in freedom for all. Wake up and stop watching whatever crap news you are watching. Look at his Congressional record. It is recorded for all to see.

    • 5 months ago
  • misfit20
    • +1
      misfit20  
    • joeredford:

      YOU ARE SO FUNNY!!! HAHA

      Are those supposed to be all the people who will vote for Obama again and expect change?

      Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is INSANITY!

      I guess you are happy with the way things are now with Obama, don't expect anything better in his Lame Duck term.

      BTW Why do homosexuals unconditionally support Obama? What has he done for you??

      -And please give me one homophobic quote from Ron Paul's mouth NOT A FREAKING NEWSLETTER

    • 5 months ago
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