Ron Paul: We're All Austrians? Hey Ron, why not Americans?
source: http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/ron-paul-were-all-austrians
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Here's a pretty bizarre moment in Ron Paul's quite-long speech celebrating his third place finish in the Iowa caucuses Tuesday.
...and we had the task, for which we are very successful, is reintroducing some ideas Republicans needed for a long time, and that is the conviction that freedom is popular.
[applause]
But once again, we have had a fantastic showing for this cause and challenging people. Not the status quo that we have been putting up with for decade after decade. But challenging 'em and saying 'You know, let's challenge them. Let's go back to this real old fashioned idea, this very dangerous idea, let's obey the Constitution!
[applause]
And too often, those who preach limited government and small government, they forget that invasion of your privacy is big government and we have to emphasize protecting your personal rights and your economic rights are what the government's supposed to do.
Before I continue with the transcription, let me just interject the observation that Ron Paul abandons the whole "protect your personal rights" when it comes to things like same-sex marriage, LGBT issues, and women's right to choose what happens to their bodies, even in cases of rape and/or incest. But I digress. Back to the speech.
They're not supposed to run our lives or spend our money.
[applause]
And also, along those lines, what we have introduced with so much enthusiasm I hear so often from so many volunteers -- The other day someone came up to me and he was refreshing my memory because he knew I - knew the statement because I've said it.
Back in the old days in the early 70s, Nixon said we're all Keynesians now, which meant that even the Republicans accepted liberal economics. He says I'm waiting for the day when we can say we're all Austrians now.
But the biggest change I think in intellectual and political changes that we have brought about is the emphasis on a very important matter: Making sure we get to the bottom of the ultimate bailouters, and that is our Federal Reserve system, we need reforms there, and we need a new monetary system and obey the Constitution. This is something that we made great progress on, so the first and initial and important step that we've worked so hard for and it's on the table. Today there was a national poll came out and they were talking about how many people supported the gold standard. How long has it been since they've taken a national poll on the gold standard? And guess what? The majority of the American people believe we should have a gold standard and not a paper standard.
But also, also the great strides that we have made has been really on the foreign policy. The fact that we can once again talk in Republican circles and make it credible, talking about what Eisenhower said, to beware of the military-industrial complex. Talk about the old days when Robert Taft, Mr. Republican said we shouldn't be engaged in these entangling alliances. He believed what the founders taught us. He didn't even want to be in NATO. We certainly don't need NATO and the UN to tell us when to go to war.
But we have seen a great difference. The majority of the American people are behind us on this total war effort. They're tired of the war, it costs too much money, too many people get killed, too many people get injured, too many people get sick, and the majority, maybe 70 or 80 percent of the American people now are saying it's time to get out of Afghanistan.
A couple of comments. First, Ron Paul is an expert at finding wedge issues to split liberals. The wars are one; the privacy issues are another; and the Federal reserve is the third. He uses these like candy to feed to the willing masses. I seriously doubt those who were polled on the gold standard have the slightest idea what a return to that monetary standard would mean for this country, and the 99 percent in particular. The same for privacy issues. He's all about being against privacy invasion until it involves a woman's private dealings with her doctor or what two consenting adults might do in their bedroom. Finally, on the wars, yes. Most of us not only think it's time to get out of Afghanistan, but we also think we should never have gone there in the first place. This is not news. And it's in process.
I'll just close with this excellent post by David Atkins over at Digby's blog. This is why liberals and progressives do not vote for Ron Paul:
Which leads us to Ron Paul, a man whose detestable ideals are directly in opposition to those of liberalism--even if he happens, like a stopped clock, to end up in the right place a couple of times for entirely the wrong reasons.
Ron Paul is against the drug war, yes, but for the same reasons he is against preventing factories from dumping mercury in our rivers: he opposes any sort of intervention at all by the government to assist those in need, or to stop those who would do harm to others, except in the most simplistic cases of the use of force.
Ron Paul is against foreign interventions, yes, but for the same reason he opposes providing healthcare to sick people: he believes that the U.S. government should not be in the business of interfering against almost anyone, on behalf of anyone else.
Unless that person is a fetus, in which case state intervention is apparently just fine. Or unless that interference is taking place by, say, the State of Alabama, in which it's just fine, as opposed to the evil jackboots in Washington, D.C. trying to tell those good Alabamans just what they can and can't do with gays, undocumented immigrants, and women seeking abortions.
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kennymotown
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alexandrek:
Good one!
- 5 months ago
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kennymotown
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Crauly_Fingers
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Kenny perhaps I'm missed your point but when Nixon said we're all Keynesians now, he was referring to to an economic theory which we've adopted that is softly fascist and destroys the middle class. Paul was referring to Austrian Economics which is very much in line with the American tradition of Classical economic theory with an emphasis on money and credit .Their is no American economic theory,sorry! If you are a defending Keynesian then you are very much on the side of the 1% and trolling the wrong venue and should move on to the Bill O'Reilly site.
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Crauly_Fingers
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warman1138
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Looks like senility is kicking in.
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warman1138
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Ambill94
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He needs a lobatomy...keep the stuff that makes sense and remove the crazy anti-social stuff...
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Ambill94
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kennymotown
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Ambill94:
Now that makes sense!
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kennymotown
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Leen61
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Ron Paul's vision of government in our time will just not work unless millions of people living under bridges, foraging for food ala Mad Max and featuring the creation of a true serfdom for those lucky to receive the crumbs left by the ruling class is up your alley. It will pit the haves against the have nots even more starkly than we are witnessing right now. This is turning the clock back to where we were before any sort of safeguards against income disparity were in place. The 1% will have to employ private armies to keep the starving, homeless masses at bay. The right wing has to realize that the society they have created will not allow the 1% to squeeze the 99% totally dry without feeling the repercussions.
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Leen61
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CarlosBobthe3rd
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Leen61:
Don't we have many who are homeless in American right now? Have the 1% not already squeezed the 99% dry already?
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CarlosBobthe3rd
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Leen61
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CarlosBobthe3rd:
Yes and yes. And that would only get much worse under this type of government. As bad as it is right now, you ain't seen nothing yet under what would be libertarian leadership.
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Leen61
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hombre76
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so I gusse you'll be doing this with the other republican speaches cause you hate them too? or is it just Ron Paul? gusse he should have barrowed Obama's teleprompter then? I dont like Paule or the republicans or Obama and will vote for none of them. I am amazed though at the low tactics the dems used to rightly bitch about the republicans using and now are hipocriticaly using now themselves. I have abxolutly no respect for either party or any addherance who continue to endorse and employ such tactics.
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hombre76
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KB723
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LOL!!! =)
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KB723
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KB723
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LOL!!! =)
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KB723
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MotherForTruth
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To understand what Ron Paul stands for one needs to think outside the box. I wonder if Americans can.
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MotherForTruth
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MotherForTruth:
Ohhhh we definitely know what Ron Paul stands for. He stands for deregulation of corporations, destruction of laws that PROTECT people's rights, going back to the gold standard, a church more powerful than the state, etc... etc.. .
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NickerBocker09
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misfit20
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NickerBocker09:
How is a gold standard worse than fiat currency?
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misfit20
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Joeydee44
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"Ron Paul is an expert at finding wedge issues to split liberals."
He's not the only one, Kenny. That whole Indefinite Detention business in the Defense Authorization bill was inserted by the republicans to serve as a wedge issue and it has worked wonders. We know they don't want to fix the economy and lower unemployment until after the election, but there are obviously going to be other facets in Mitch McConnell's primary objective. What better way to make Obama a one-term president than to fracture his supportive base? From what I read on this site his plan is working, but just imagine the realistic alternative: a Republican president with a tea party house and a Republican Senate. It doesn't matter if it's Ron Paul or Romney or Santorum or Bachmann in the White House, every liberal will rue that day.
That being said, it was wonderful watching Cenk and Mr. Gore trashing RP on the caucus coverage last night...
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Joeydee44
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kennymotown
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Joeydee44:
Nicely said!
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kennymotown
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Buddha2112
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Talk about missing the point. Lmao.
Kenny, I had some semblance of respect for you, but totally misunderstanding and turning it around... brings you down a notch. I'll take this on generally...
He doesn't come up with this stuff to divide people, or to be a prop... These are genuine issues with a genuine response. Sure it's not perfect, but it certainly gives us a better shot, and it's certainly not the same shit everyone else is spouting.
The whole point is knocking down the Fed and letting the States (THE PEOPLE) a shot at governing and deciding for themselves. Things change much easier at the state level... Just because the Fed mandates go away, doesn't mean the States descend into chaos... Quite the opposite... It empowers the people and requires they be ACTIVE in politics, lest they let their state go to shit and have to move a state over....
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Buddha2112
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Buddha2112:
Leaving issues to the state government instead of federal government is the same amount of government though, whether the feds or the state government are enforcing a certain law its still a government enforcing the law. Thats something that a lot of Ron Paul sheep dont understand. Take for example unions. Because some states allow unions and others dont, corporations started to move to non-union states to make more profit so people had to go to those states to get jobs but were in fact getting paid a lot less and enjoying less worker's rights.
There are plenty of things the state government should do instead of the federal government, but when it comes to people's rights it should be at the national level since we are all citizens of this country and protected by the Constitution of the UNITED STATES (not Alabama or Virginia).
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NickerBocker09
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PetEr_Alan_ColE
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Buddha2112:
These guys are at least good for a laugh.
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PetEr_Alan_ColE
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kennymotown
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Buddha2112:
Thats what I like about Politics, the humor in all of the right wing circus is somehow lost to some!
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kennymotown
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maasanova
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Ron Paul didn't vote for bailouts that have crippled the US economy, and opposes Federal Reserve's secret bailouts. So what was the question again?
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maasanova
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Varex_Sythe
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maasanova:
Wait, the bailouts crippled the US economy? Oh thank the fuzzy lord, and here I was under the impression that the US economy was crippled by banks, corporations, and a Wall Street that took advantage of deregulations to make a lot of really bad decisions which ended up with people loosing their homes, people being laid off so that CEO's could keep their profits and stocks up and keep their bonuses, and the stock market tanking while billions were invested in high risk stocks. Well, at least I now know better.
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Varex_Sythe
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maasanova
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Varex_Sythe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45h6E-CyvLQ
So you are saying that funneling trillions in open as well as secret Fed bailouts to private banks actually helped the economy?
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maasanova
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NickerBocker09
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maasanova:
maasanova, what we are saying is that nothing could have been done EXCEPT bailing them out. This happened because of policies like Ron Paul's.
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Varex_Sythe
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maasanova:
No, I'm not saying that funneling trillions in open, as well as secret, Fed bailouts to private banks actually helped the economy, but it didn't dig the hole either.
What we needed to do was go forward with the bailouts, but include strict regulations that determined how the private banks and corporations used that money (So that money would not be used to give CEO's and executives bonuses for screwing up).
Bailing out the banks and corporations was not, as some people seem to think, an option. Unemployment would have been much higher without the bailouts (both Bush's and Obama's) and the wealthy 1% would not have suddenly decided that they need to give back to the nation that they had been leeching from like fat tick. They did not do it during the depression, they weren't going to do it if the bailouts did not occur, and unless we pull some teeth (metaphorically and possibly literally) they are not going to now.
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Varex_Sythe
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misfit20
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Varex_Sythe:
The bailouts were FOR the banks and corporations (Wall Street) Read a book
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misfit20
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NickerBocker09:
We could have let them go broke, file bankrupcty, the bad debts go away, let the laws dictate the estates, let the free market fill any void in the marketplace, but no, we'll just let the taxpayers pay for it.
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misfit20:
Have I written anything contrary to the statement, "The bailouts were FOR the banks and corporations (Wall Street)?" Of coarse the bailouts were for banks and corporations, they were the ones who wrecked the economy. Unfortunately the economy was/is also set up so that it is heavily dependent upon those banks and corporations. Had they failed, the economy would have been in much worse condition. The sad fact is that we should not have allowed big banks and corporations to accumulate this much power and importance, but we did..
FYI, thanks for suggesting I read a book. It's not like this is a recent event in our history and we all have such short term memories that we cannot remember the screw ups that lead to the bailouts as well as what kind of screw ups the bailouts themselves were...
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Varex_Sythe
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JUVENILES YOU FOOLS. RON PAUL speaking of Austrian Theory of Economics not Nationalism towards Austria. How much more do you need to learn before you realize Ron PAUL only useful Option the rest Police State WAR BOYS. HAVE FUN AMERICA in your Fema camps make you feel like a true American Indian!
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kennymotown
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theknopfknows:
Hey I've got that T-Shirt! :)
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kennymotown
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theknopfknows:
You are right about Paul talking about the Austrian Theory of Econ, it fits right in with his theories on everything: "From the middle of the 20th century onwards, the Austrian school has been considered outside the mainstream of economic thought." This theory does not help him be more believable as a viable presidential candidate -- maybe he should brush up on his econ theories.
It's OUR government, Only With Sincerity TAKE. IT. BACK!
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wolfess
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VFORVENDETTA
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Very good point, I don't think they want to rock the boat so to speak.
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VFORVENDETTA
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kennymotown
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With a disappointing third place finish, Ron Paul supporters should be asking why isn't Public Financing of elections and Corporate Personhood being brought up as issues!
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kennymotown
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Novek
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kennymotown:
This guy... º¿º,
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Novek
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Buddha2112
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kennymotown:
It's technically a 3 way tie. Paul, Romney, and Santorum each got 7 pledged delegates.
If you think we're disappointed, you couldn't be further from the truth.
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Buddha2112
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kennymotown:
Brace yourself for a libertarian shitstorm, my friend.
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Joeydee44
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NickerBocker09
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kennymotown:
Considering all the negativism towards him he performed pretty well. God only knows how Santorum skyrocketed right before the polls though.
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NickerBocker09
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kennymotown
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Novek:
Yah, that guy! LOL.
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kennymotown
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Buddha2112:
Didn't you see Ron earlier this week say "He can't imagine himself in the Whit House".?
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kennymotown
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kennymotown
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NickerBocker09:
Santorum put all his eggs in one basket!
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kennymotown
