Iowa Caucus Epilogue: The Paulbots 15 Minutes Are Up

Unfortunatley, most drag queens look more like that than RuPaul.

I gusse you could discribe Obama as consistant in his capitulation and down right perpetuation of republican policies. so thats something then. I gusse what I dont get is if thats cool with you why do you dislkike republican so mch they are just as consistant as Obama and want the very same thing it seems.

Consistency doesn't mean a damn thing when you don't agree with what they are consistent about. And where did I ever say I was a big Obama fan? Your argument is flawed right from the start.

my point is this : stop supporting either Party. just like the idea in the 60s, what if they threw a war and nobody came? well what if they had an election and no one bothered to vote for anyone non local to ones state? what a message that would send to the pultocatic elite that we will not consent to being governed by anyone not representing us directly. thats my point.

Kind of reminds me of one of them old guys just before ya find out he has alzheimer's. Some times things are good some times not

Good analogy, bailey.

A true populist movement? All 250,500 of the registered Libertarians in America and all 523,000 who voted Libertarian in 2008. That's some populist movement. Sounds more like delusions of grandeur to me. Try Googling Iceland and checking out the grand failure of Libertarianism there. It worked out so well, they can't get any foreign investment at all any more. And you want to try this Friedmanesque experiment on a super power. Good luck with that.

Just a fair question for you.
Who do you support and why?

And fuck no I am not a Paul supporter.
I am just wondering why your vitriol is blinding you to the fact that this is a country where people are free to support whomever they please without fear of repercussions.
Supposedly.
Obama is no better than Paul.
Nor any other "politician."
So please enlighten me if you will.
You seem intelligent enough.
EVERYBODY here knows how you feel about Paul and yet you have gone over the top with your persistent and sometimes childish rants and attacks on other members.
You are really beating a dead horse.
Getting old dude/dudette.

And please god be an adult just once and do not go off on another paul rant.
We get it.
Just answer the question in a civil manner.
Or do not even bother responding.

the "I HATE THEM ALL" group might be right,...cross that out,...." a good fit " for you.

A healthy disdain for the psychological programming that MAKES for professional politicians is a fine thing to have. I think. And I fully endorse this message. But it wasn't funded by anyone. and fuck corporations.

p.s - oh, did I say fuck corporations -see ? that was FREE !
still not running for anything. just bitching.

p.p.s. - I DO like to say " RICK IS A DICK " - I really hope he is nominated somehow,....screen shop is ready for those bumper stickers.........

HUZZAH! I will order one of those stickers from you if Rick gets the nomination! :D

i do hatethemall
and i hate the mall.

I, personally,....really DO hate the MALL. Haven't gone in 10 years.

BAH ! HUMBUG ! ( MALLS ) . . . .and crowds and lines all-together. Never want to GO to Tokyo,....or visit NYC or Houston ever again. BAH ! ( I say )

i guess no response pretty much sums it up

That is a hard call. He's leading them around by the rings in their noses, aware he's leading down the garden path. But they were dumb enough to allow him to put the rings there. Hell, screw 'em , they deserve one another.

I just really wish folks would 'sign',.......' annotate' ,....actually take public up front responsibility for -Vd,.....down Votes,.........it is NOT the "vote down" that is the issue,....it is the dickless honorless souless sheer pettiness of the act that those from EVERY walk of life and end of the political spectrum,...........should DESPISE and HOLD IN CONTEMPT,...as petty, weak, lame,......and socially UNworthy.

( If you run into the car in the parking lot -just leave a fucking NOTE. )

Tell me about it remanns, My Santorum page was doing really Well last night and this morning it is like a group of socks dropped by to down every comment... Funny how I found a couple new Socks as well, odd how they have well over 5 positives and everyone else had negatives.... Hmmm, Odd how these things usually happen on the weekends and more often than not on a Saturday evening or during Holidays, when the socks can have their Fun before they are realized and taken away... Pretty Chicken Shit for sure!!!!

Ru never fails to make me laugh, Pink heels and Santorum sweater vests. LMAO. Fairly soon we will be googling sweater vests and up will come Santorum and the frothy mixture description. But please don't share this with hombre76. He called me "not gay "because I posted a photo on Ron Paul in drag. Clueless and NO sense of humor.

A lack of a sense of humor about oneself makes Joe a dull boy. It's a take-off on RuPaul in case you hadn't noticed, who happens to be gay and has a real sense of humor. Perhaps you should lay off the leftist sites for a while and broaden your horizons. He's on Logo every week on his drag show and is more of a man than any humorless pseudo libertarian God pusher like Ron Paul.

That's always the case with these militant homosexual types.

They will demean heterosexual males using homosexuality as a smear, along with constant talk of ass-play, fecal matter and all other manner of disgusting discourse.

Yet they cry foul if anyone insults them or calls them names or use these tactics on them.

I really don't get them at all.

This is not humor, instead it's produces the disgust towards homosexuality.

why would someone "claim" to be gay?

thinking they get more street cred on a liberal site. and to claim bias to shut up opponents.

I'm full of love and caring for my fellow man, except Paulbots , they willingly let Paul screw them over for their votes, so he can install his Christian Reconstructionist theology on America. It's amazing the depths to which some people will sink to please their cult master.

Said by a true homophobe and anti semite, yep , you're a Paul follower alright. You've learned well from your cult leader.

Your a Paul follower, he has plenty of disgust already for gay people and I sure as hell can't make it any worse. The day that you recognize humor will be the day I vote for a homophobe like Paul.

Because their cult leader isn't doing very well and they have to take out their frustrations on somebody. Why not gays? It's still safe in polite society for them to trash me.

i get trashed all the time on this site and i am not gay.
mostly by your buddy uni.
what is she about 12 yrs old?

Me know nothin'. I only converse privately with a few people here.

No offense but if that's how you truly feel , telling her that would be better than telling me . I don't know her .

It's amazing the depths to which some people will sink to please their cult master.
you can say that again Obama worshiper.

Name-calling simply means that you've already lost the argument. Your tactics are so obvious that it's almost redundant to point them out.

BULLSHIT you are the King of fucking HATERS ever since your cult leader SandyB got his dumb ass banned from the site. you will be banned soon enough because you are a baiting insulting troll. and your not gay your just claiming it to garner support on a Liberal site. Im gona tell everyone I can that your a Fake. Game ON!

He is a Hater infinite. plain and simple him uni and their cult leader the former king of Haters till he got his troll ass banned SandyB . they'll soon figure out they are not wellcome here and leave in search of another site to ruin like they did to Hufpo.

I know you think your getting one over with these stupid ass come backs but you are just coming off as a 5 year old and showing the shalow childish levelo of your posistion and life. LAME!

Bless your heart.

Only pointing out the truth. You can't handle it? Tough.

I have one... libertarians seem to have lost their's along the way to a free market Utopia, which is nothing but a catch phrase for unregulated, predatory business practices that rip off the American people. Have a wonderful evening, but remember, if your computer breaks down, don't expect Ron Paul to help enforce the warrantee. The free market Utopia will take care of it for you, meaning--stop complaining and go but another one so Paul and his business cronies can get rich.

I can handle your silly name calling, trust me.

I just feel bad for you that you can't come up with a better "shut-up" phrase when the truth smacks you up side the head.

You must feel so impotent and ineffective.

That's quite a statement coming from a republican loving Ron Paul supporter.

Is your anger causing the foaming at your mouth yet?

You're so nice to me massanova. What's your problem? Can't find an oven?

I totally understand that opinion. But I have been around long enough to have lived through Nixon, Ford,Reagan and the two Bushes. That is 28 years of Republicans who did almost nothing for this country but persecute minorities, sell out to insurance companies, give tax cuts to the rich, undermine the middle class and make the poor suffer. Obama is not perfect but he's 10 times better than any one of the nutjobs the Republicans are offering. I can't help it , experience has had an effect on me . They make the hair stand up on the back of my neck, my skin crawl and I want to run away to Canada. I guess I'm just plain Republicanphobic.

Obama pets me so nice after he rapes me.... you are so pathetic joe serriosly...

You act as if Obama has not done LOTS to benefit his Billionaire Masters as well. Do you REALLY believe the Health Care legislation would have past were it not for the fact that the Drug & Insurance companies got ALMOST everything they wanted in it?

Do you HONESTLY believe that he continued the bailouts of the Billionaire Bankers and Wall Street Fraudsters for YOUR benefit? I love how Obama apologist look at his kowtowing to the Rich through Rose colored glasses, but see it for the BS it is when Republicans do it!

I am so damned sick of Obama Derangement Syndrome people I could vomit. The man could jump in front of a bus to save your butt and you would kick him in the balls. I'm sick the death of your constant whining and bitching while the rethugs who are bloody , uncivilized pricks who would turn our society into a freaking concentration camp at the drop of a hat ,get off scott free with you people. Everything in the world is Obama's fault. I don't see Obama defunding Planned Parenthood, or trying to take away a woman's right to chose, or trying to deny poor people health care, or promoting homophobia and intolerance, or trying to bust the unions, or denying people the right to vote because they don't have ID, or making people take drug tests to receive unemployment, or starting wars that go on for years without end, or telling the children of immigrants that they they can't receive an education or not be treated in a hospital, or telling women they should not be able to receive the same wages as men, or telling the rich they have no responsibility to pay their fair share, or that refurbishing our infratructure is not a good way to creat jobs, or telling Iran we are going to bomb them over the downing of a drone, or telling gays that they can't serve in the military or can't marry or can't have the same benefits and rights to work and housing as straight people, or denying funding to the EPA, Education Dept., or Housing and Urban Development and Transportation Dept. It is not Obama who refused to give states aid for high speed rail transit, refused to fund NPR and PBS, or refused to appoint a head of the new Consumer Protection Dept. It wasn't Obama who told the auto industry to drop dead and refused to bail them out losing millions of industry jobs and inter-related jobs, or the other myriad of things the man has done to save our economy and our reputation throughout the world, which I could go
on about paragraph after paragraph after paragraph.
No, nothing positive has ever been done in your eyes, nothing you have any gratitude for, it's all negative , negative, negative. You easily and intentionally forget that he had the most instransigent Republican party in history, as well a bunch of dipshit blue dogs standing in the way of everything he tried to accomplish, all of whom refused to give an inch. Nothing good , only the negative. Constantly whining about the right's of terrorists instead of fighting along with the president for the rights of our own citizens. Raging against Guantanamo when you knew he never had the support in Congress to close it, calling him a torturer when he put a stop to the Bush policy of waterboarding and ordered the military to follow the manual. Bitched when he ridded the world of Bin Laden instead of being grateful the muderous bastard couldn't kill anymore people.
Complained when he answered the call for freedom from the people of Libya and brought about the demise of another dictatorial tyrant.
I'm sorry but I think your priorities are screwed up and although I do not agree with everything the man has done , I will not deny him the praise for his major accomplishments. Extremism is so easy, it doesn't require much thought, and when you go far enough to the right you meet the same idiots from the left. You expect absolute perfection and a total utopia, which does not exist and never will. So let the rethugs take over as they have in the past with Nixon, Reagan and Bush
and see what a perfect world those asswipes give you, how many more endless wars they start,
how many more lives they destroy by ending Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and the entire socal safety net. Then come to me and tell me how awful Obama is and what a brave new world the Rethuglicans gave you. I've been through this before with the left's endless carping about Democrats when there is one in office and I frankly don't wish to hear one more damned word about it because my patience with this childish nonesense is at an end. If you can't see the difference between the parties and make a realistic determination about which one is better for the country then there is not a thing I can say to make you see reality.

When the Democrats decide to field for President a “genuine” Anti-War, Liberty Loving, Progressive candidate such as Congressman Kucinich we will talk.

Obama has his nose so far up the @$$ of the 1% in this country every time they pass gas he has to have his Sinus passages irrigated!

Did you know the “TOP” contributor to Obama’s Super Pack was Goldman Sachs? By nothing more than mere coincidence they also happen to be the top contributor to Mitt Romney’s as well.

the republicans may want us all in concentration camps but funny how all it took was a democrat to get it done with the NDAA bill. you blind hipocrits will lead this nation to its doom. Luckily however the free men and women of this country not blinded by the unquestioning loyalty to the democratic or republican parties will stop you both. and then ban parties all together from govenment. then we can just address you as zelots and fundementalist scammers.

So, when Republicans make their huge hauls from Wall Street and millions in anonymous donations from the Kochwhores, the Democrats are suppose to just lay down like beaten puppies and just cowar and die and not fight back. It doesn't work that way. It takes millions to defeat the millions . That's the system the Supreme Court in it's infinite wisdom set up and condones and it favors the right disproportionately. The left needs to fight back too and if that means taking their money to create an even playing field, then under the circumstances, they should take the money too, or allow our whole system of government be taken over by the right wing. No thanks.

I love how you answer my posts without addressing my points. What does all that have to do with the FACT that Obama is a fake progressive, war mongering, Wall Street whore?

You really, really, really , really , really must stop stalking me . I don't do Paulbots.

Are you blind? Have many paragraphs did I use to tell you that I am sick to death of listening to whining, carping , ultra left wing radical extremists and your negative disinformation and deliberate distortion of the truth. If there is one thing I hate more than extremists from either side, neither of which have the most remote clue what single minded fanatics that you are, it is repeating myself over and over to people who pretend to listen but don't hear a word. You don't want my opinion , you only want me to confirm yours. Since that is never going to happen, because your opinion is based on lies and inaccuracies, I suggest you find some other target for your fringe paranoia. You are so far to the left that your use of the word progressive is laughable. Look up the word and learn it's meaning because you are not a progressive or a liberal, you are a radical fanatical extremist with viewpoints so far out of mainstream liberal thought that you should be reluctant to identify yourself with ideas so conventional. Barack Obama is a mainstream liberal and you are not. That is why you are so contemptuous of him, he does not meet your revolutionary standards. Neither do I, so I can see no valid reason to continue any further discussion with you.

Stop hanging where I hang and you wont see me I dont hang at "aintobamasdickthetastyestever.com" and such

then get lost you will not be missed. JA

Let us take an objective look at Mr. Obambi. The man supports the Patriot Act, Doing away with the Posse Comitatus Act, doing away with Habeas Corpus, Assisanateing American Citizens WITHOUT being convicted of anything, & He gets a boner every time he talks about going to war with Iran.

I would say if he becomes any more mainstream he will become a Neocon! It is BAD when the ACLU ranks a Libertarian & a Republican higher than your Demoncrat President on Civil Liberties.

I agree that neither of us will change the others mind, so we will agree to DISAGREE.

good you have cracked finaly and are just posting nonsense to stifle the adult conversation

and this is apearant to those of us not playing the def dumb and blind game.

I respect and listen to KO and his opinions. My opinion is this American citizen left our country, joined a terriorist group in Yemen. He was responsible for the Fort Hood killing of American soldiers, He was responsible for the underwear bomber that could have brought down an airplane of Americans etc.Since he was on American soil was arrested. I feel this terriorist that hated our country was not a citizen. If he had been on American soil I would feel different.

I do believe the interview on 60 minutes. Tim Guitner was part of Wall Street. This gave him the knowledge to advise the president. If as you say"Wall Street knows as long as they get Romney or Obama their Gravy Train is safe" That doesn't make sence, as Romney is receiving much more then Obama., Obama will be re-elected so if that were true he would at least be getting as much as Romney.
It was Bush and Paulson that used the Tarp money to bail out Wall Street.

"He gets a boner everytime he talks about going to war with Iran." "Obami." Insults and prepousterously unsupported accusations. That is what is wrong with the left and the right. There is a rational truth somewhere in between around the forty yard line of one side or the other, but neither side is interested in playing the game fairly--only in crushing the other
By the way, lists are for morons, even those by the ACLU , of which I am a member. I don't need a party or any organization to tell me what to think , or what conclusions to make. I make a decision after listrening to ALL the information, not just what I pick and choose.

Cornell West is a bitter idealogue who couldn't tolerate an imaginary slight at the White House and has been on a personal vendetta ever since. He is also about one strap away from being confined to a straight jacket.

The only " adult conversation" you are familiar with are those laced with homophobic profanities.

Thank you for continuing to stand up for reason and the truth.

Everything you just posted about Anwar al-awlaki was BS that you got from the Government. These are the same people who were "SURE" Iraq had WMD's. I do not give a damn were you are if you are an American then you deserve a trial BEFORE you are executed!

al-awlaki's Father along with the ACLU filed a petition with the Justice Dept to have a Trial in absentia to PROVE that his son was guilty BEFORE they MURDERED him. The Gov refused the petition. One would think the great constitutional Scholar would have granted him a trial before he killed him..

You seem like a decent enough person, but you are looking at Obama through Rose Colored glasses!

Just a word if I may, I've read quite a few your post and generally I don't have a problem with what you say, I especially don't have any problem with your criticism of Republicans in this particular post, it is spot on correct.

What I do take issue with, is that apparently you cannot seem to see, that the left right battle is little more than a charade, to keep the people involved in a dramatic soap opera.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter who wins the White House, they were all plutocrats, and are concerned only with the interest of plutocracy, if I could think of a simple analogy off the top of my head, if the current state of affairs with our government could be represented by a car, the Republicans want to send the country to hell in a handbasket in high gear, whereas the Democrats do the same thing in low gear, this is why-since you mentioned your knowledge of elections going back to Nixon as do I- the country has spiraled down into corporate fascism ( particularly ever since Reagan) regardless of who's been in office for the last 30 years (the things that want against democracy committed by Bill Clinton, would've made Roosevelt roll over in his grave, Bill Clinton sure as hell wasn't a true Democrat) I am not trying to be honoree or combative, I'm simply stating that shortly after voting for him-about one year-I realized that Obama is a plutocrat, so it comes down to this, do you want a party that is openly fascist (At least to those who are educated enough to understand what the word means), and can't wait to put people like you or I in concentration camps as enemy combatants, or the softer gentler -but nevertheless still corporately bought and paid for-Democrats, (with the exception of Kucinich, DeFazio, Sanders And a few others) Who will ultimately work for the same masters, And get the same things accomplished only at a much slower pace, do you understand this?

I am gay. It matters very much to me who is in the White House, It matters a great deal. I will not support any party, person , group, or idea that in any way, allows a Neanderthal , born again religious fanatic, republican homophobe to gain access to power. This administration has shown an astounding committment and dedication to the gay rights cause by issuing executive orders and implementing policies which have had a major and positive impact on the gay community. It has been THE most gay friendly administration in history, and that can be supported by the 25 or more policies this administration has passed. A simple Google search will provide you with those accomlishments, as I have had to list them here at Current ad nauseum, I don't have the patience to do so again.
I have supported left leaning causes in this country for over 40 years. I have fought tooth and nail and relentlessly for other people's rights and now that is my turn, a portion of the liberal community has decided it intends to throw me under the bus with Obama. That has only hardened my support for Obama. I will not be discounted and made a sacrificial lamb by the very
people I have spent my life fighting with and for. And for this election , at least , it is I who will be throwing them under the bus. I will not ever vote against my own self interests again.
This decision has been a highly personal one and it was made after considering all issues from all directions, which helps me know that it is the correct one for me.
I have no wish to deter you taking into consideration your own priorities; I share many of them.
And I do not have any wish to offend you in any way because you have certainly never offended me in any respect, unlike some people on this board--particularly Libertarians and some ultra fringe leftists who think they have a right to tell me how and what to think, and to whom I have not been particulary pleasant because I have this odd aversion to being told I'm a moron because I disagree with their suppositions. They scream like stuck pigs when they are incapable of carrying a rational conversation. But, I digress, everyone needs to make their own decision about which way to go this time. I will not contribute in any way to a republican victory, directly or indirectly. My decision is irrevocable because a right winger in the presidency is in no way a positive thing for the causes I care about.

Everything I got was from the media, but he was not in the US where he could be easily arrested and never intended to live here again.I also researched the internet. He would have been granted a trial if he could have been arrested on US soil, just as the underware bomber was given and the New York Bomber. How many murdered soldiers and bombers would he have planned on our soil before you say he was a traitor. Sending troops into Yeman would have been difficult and a danger to them. I have my opinions and see Obama as the Commander in Chief.

Your welcome Joe. I can't stand the lies about Obama. Unlike GW he is trying to help the people of our country.

First of all, thanks for responding.

Wow, seeing your perspective versus my perspective does seem to be a bit of a dilemma, on the one hand, my knee-jerk reaction is to ask you to sacrifice, on the other, I hear you saying (not addressed towards me) fuck you, I/we have already sacrificed long enough and hard enough, were not giving an inch now, that's if I'm getting you correct.

Your argument is quite rational, and I can certainly understand that if I were a member of the oppressed group, and we were finally given some rights, anything which concretely attempts to establish our humanity, that I would oppose anything which attempts to take that away, I fully and completely understand that.

On the other hand, my wife and I have several friends who were both gay and bisexual, and we have had this conversation with them as well, their general consensus, despite everything you mentioned that Obama has done for the "community", pales in comparison to his open actions of treason-to the community of the citizens of the United States-as a whole, their general opinion, understanding that he is a plutocrat and this is actually a much bigger game, is that which can be given can just as quickly be taken away, because as I already stated, as long as the system is a plutocracy, and this is a game of getting elected, it is not a lasting solution.

As far as I can tell, both personally and through my studies, the vast majority of Americans really truly don't give a shit about a person's sexual orientation, it is an artificial construct brought up in the mainstream media as a "issue" but by and large, people generally don't care who you fuck - except of course that relatively small population of the ignorant redneck's which do not represent even a third of the voting population- in other words, although it's the plutocrats who make the laws, the "issue" is in reality actually a non-issue, only made so by the powers that be.

This of course does not change the fact, that those powers that be make the laws, and you and other members of the gay community must suffer the indignities of such laws, again, I understand this very well.

What I can say however, is that many of these actions-as you should know-have been largely symbolic, as they were meant to be, it is my opinion, that Obama can do such things as in-enact policy regardless of whether or not it actually has any teeth Because that brings him into favor with the political left, while at the same time, not doing anything to offend his Wall Street corporate criminal Friends/overlords, who frankly really don't give a shit who's gay and who's not, all they care about is profits, can you see what I'm saying?

Just a quick final comment concerning Obama, the point that I'm trying to make, as simple as possible, is that Obama has already demonstrated acts of treason (treason being defined as actions against the best interest of a country's citizens) he is a plutocrat, and plutocrats always act in the interest of a plutocracy, just because he threw a few bones from the table, to appease his special interest group, which consequently makes him look very good in the liberal/progressive community, he would just as quickly and easily betray you And your interest as well, because just as there is no honor amongst thieves, there is no honor in being a traitor, and you're talking to someone who voted for him enthusiastically, take care.

Cats love to catch mice, and then torture them to death. LOL.

It made a lot of people's night. Fucking epic.

And your using derogatory, misogynistic words like that about women toward a gay man , shows me exactly what your game is and who you are.

Gingrich has a long list of lying. In addition, he didn't give a fuck about that wife and kid when he was drafted because he abandoned both of them for a new honey, so that is bullshit.

There are sometimes when I want to kiss Ron Paul for the things he says, but there are too many times when I can not in good conscience go along with the ultra libertarian views that would starve children or the misogynist views against women's rights. His racism is also disturbing.

I do mostly appreciate Ron Paul predominant consistency. However, the things that I like about him must be balanced with the unacceptable about him. I am afraid that the general Republican inhumanity is still too evident.

Ron lives what he preaches. He is the only consistent voice for Americans.

I think I can agree that I feel the same way. Ron Paul is stirring things up and bringing to light many issues that need to be addressed. I can be grateful that at least someone is.

I do not have a horse in this race. I merely point out the obvious flaws that the mindless followers seem to be ignoring.

The political system as it stands now is so absolutely corrupted. It is sort of like cheering for which cancer is better or which form of rape would you prefer.

I try not to take any of it too seriously and change the things that I can change in my own microcosm.

I am interested in the views of of people that support any of these Republican candidates but so far, I have not heard one that seemed rational or informed.

It never hurts to type the ideas. I hope you do not think that what I typed was some kind of personal response against you. I adore you.

Good choice of song for the conveyance of the idea.

Key word being " preaches." Congratulations mommie dearest , your finally catching on to the fact that Paul wants to establish Christianity as part of the federal government,