Self deception and intellectual dishonesty, two very good reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul

As long as you're healthy and wealthy, libertarianism is great. If you're sick and/or poor, you're screwed.

If he gets two things right, that will be two more than Obama has.

It's all true...as is PetEr-Alan_ColE's comment below.
Personally, I don't believe it really matters who becomes president...they are basically all same puppets of the corporate elite. You can not fix something that has failed as miserably as this system has.
When 95% of Congress are self serving theives, change will never happen.

When is this stupid canidate race gonna end?! These republican canidates are either racist or dumb. Can i watch the news without hearing about them, just once? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go look at funny vids on Youtube.

2 is that all?
Here are 29 reasons not to vote for Obama
1. Opposed gay marriage in 2009 and reaffirmed his position in 2010. When he finally flipped on his position in 2011 he stated that he was still "grappling" with his personal views on gay marriage.

2. Signed the NDAA - an indefinite detention bill - into law.

3. Placed Sanctions on Iran that will likely lead to war.

4. Increased the TSA’s budget and allowed the scope of their authority to increase

5. Gave Blackwater a quarter of a billion dollars.

6. Approved of a more draconian Patriot Act.

7. Assassinated three American Citizens 1 2 3.

8. Continued the Drug War. Including pushing for a fiver year mandated sentence for Charles C. Lynch the owner of a licensed medical marijuana dispensary.

9. Wins right to deny habeas review from detainees.

10. Protected Bush officials from charges relating to torture.

11. Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.

12. Waives health care coverage for employees of 29 companies including McDonald's.

13. Deports record number of immigrants.

14. Continued and escalated a covert, drone war in Yemen.

15. Takes the hardest stance in American history against government whistle blowers.

16. Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.

17. Pushes harder for warrantless wire taps than Bush did.

18. Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.

19. And what about the Children?

20. Promises more transparent government denies more FOIA request than Bush.

21. Gives BP and other big oil companies exemption from EPA laws.

22. Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" war.

23. Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.

24. Secretly made deal to kill health care public option while secretly meeting with health care executives and provided an exemption for abortion.

25. Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.

26. Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.

27. Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia

28. Appoints multiple lobbyist while signing an executive order limiting this practice. This included lobbyist from Goldman Sachs , Raytheon and Monsanto.

29. Continued Bush's rendition program.
http://current.com/community/93617774_29-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-vote-for-obama...

I believe that we have reached a new threshold of hate pieces, so whatever Paul is doing must be working. One would think that VFORVENDETTA would encompass what the character in the movie stood for (knowing the truth, standing for one's rights), but in fact he resembles more of a political hate monger spewing dis-info to confuse the population into thinking that Paul is not surging. This thread is just a troll orgy, pay it no mind. If you really want to see how the country feels, visit the actual caucus and see the tension between good, well meaning people, and paid spineless, mindless yes men paid to push their fellow man to an early grave. (i won't name names, i think you get the point). Replace Paul's name (in this article0 with any of the top tier candidates, and I guarantee the op would get this thread deleted. Have faith my brothers, good still exists in this world, no matter how much deception grabs the headlines. VFORVENDETTA is sarcastic, or deceptive (name wise).

This may or may not be. Every time one of the RNC candidates gets a little more popular with the voters there are multiple posts here trying to undermine their fitness to be president. As it seems that Barry Soetoro can do no wrong here and the intent of the hit piece is blatantly obvious, I regard most of these with skepticism and tend to skim over the post. That said I will say that although there may be two or more good reasons not to vote for Ron Paul, there are not two or more any type of reasons, good or otherwise, to vote for Obummer in November. He needs to be evicted regardless of who is runningin opposition.
Anyone but Barry in 2012.

You write....

"First of all, you can throw Ron Paul's claims One and Two right out the fucking window for the following reasons, even IF Ron Paul were elected, he would not be able to do what he claims he wants to do concerning items One and Two willy-nilly, (which he well knows) because they would never, NEVER pass them in the Senate or in Congress, so grow up and get the hell over it, "

WELL

Congress didnt authorize the wars. What makes you think they would try to stop paul from ending them.

Obama ran, in part, of getting the troops out of iraq. Is he the only candidate that can run on such a platform? I also recal obama making statements making it sound as if he would decriminalize weed. That is until he was elected. Then, as I recall, He laughed at the thought of it during some type of town hall meeting. I guess you all have gotten so used to being slapped in the face by politicians on both sides you all choose to only remember when......"the other party" does it to you. To bad so sad. They all are fuckin you and as long as "your party" is in control it doesnt seem to matter as much.

Damn, until I saw the name at the end of the title I thought this was going to be an anti obama story

Not one honest man has ever been elected to any office in this land--------not one! Our corrupt system of politics and elections makes that statement totally true----------------especially today!

Amen!

Get all the nominees, throw them in a room with a gun and see which one comes out alive. Cheap and effective.

Yeah Obama can sign an executive order giving himself the right to ASSASSINATE anyone he sees fit, without ANY approval...

Trust, if Obama can sign and executive order, or whatever that thinks gives him the right to do that.... Paul has got the balls to legalize it... Executive order and DONE.

But that isn't even the half of the argument... Legalize to not legalize... If that weren't even on the table, people who have respect for human life would vote against him.

People who think this military drone bombing and consistently missing the intended target (a target they don't ever explain or prove should be a target in the first place) isn't okay, wouldn't want to vote for Obama....

A president that would turn his back on a man about to be executed, when the vast majority of the world seemed to be standing up for him, including the warden at the last prison the guys was at, the Pope, Amnesty International... Yeah if given a better option (which we have) will not be voting for Mr. "Fuck-it, let him die"

People who have respect for patriots who stand up to a fascist regime, would not vote for him, people who think the treatment of Bradley Manning, who by many standards, including Paul's, is a "hero and a Patriot".... Would not vote for Obama.

People who think trying to conquer the mid-east for resources is wrong... Would not vote for Obama.

People who think it's unconstitutional for a president to go to war without prior approval from congress, much like Obama did with Libya.... Would not vote for Obama.

People who don't live in a multimillion dollar home paid for by lobbyists, and politicking much like Obama's old home in Chicago was.... Would not vote for him provided a more down to earth option, that would be Paul (whose home isn't valued at half a million)....

People who think authorizing "indefinite detention" of Americans was wrong would not vote for Obama... and actually the ACLU and Human Rights Watch condemn the NDAA, or at least that part of it;

"Controversy over indefinite detention

Section 1021 and 1022 have been called a violation of constitutional principles and of the Bill of Rights.[29] Internationally, the UK-based newspaper The Guardian has described the legislation as allowing indefinite detention "without trial [of] American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay;"[30] Al Jazeera has written that the Act "gives the US military the option to detain US citizens suspected of participating or aiding in terrorist activities without a trial, indefinitely."[31] The official Russian international radio broadcasting service Voice of Russia has compared the Act to legislation passed by the Third Reich;[32] the Act has been opposed by the ACLU and Human Rights Watch, and received criticism from The New York Times,[33] and other news organizations.[34][35]

On December 31 and after signing the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 into law, President Obama issued a statement on it that addressed "certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of terrorism suspects." In the statement Obama maintains that "the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF. I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. [...] My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law. [...] As my Administration has made clear, the only responsible way to combat the threat al-Qa'ida poses is to remain relentlessly practical, guided by the factual and legal complexities of each case and the relative strengths and weaknesses of each system. Otherwise, investigations could be compromised, our authorities to hold dangerous individuals could be jeopardized, and intelligence could be lost. I will not tolerate that result, and under no circumstances will my Administration accept or adhere to a rigid across-the-board requirement for military detention."[36]

The American Civil Liberties Union has responded that despite claims by the Obama Administration to the contrary, "The statute contains a sweeping worldwide indefinite detention provision... [without] temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield." The ACLU furthermore commented that "While President Obama issued a signing statement saying he had 'serious reservations' about the provisions, the statement only applies to how his administration would use the authorities granted by the NDAA," and maintains that "the breadth of the NDAA’s detention authority violates international law because it is not limited to people captured in the context of an actual armed conflict as required by the laws of war."[37]""

But most importantly...... I think is our troops, and by an overwhelming show of financial support to Paul above any other candidate, shows you they won't be voting for Obama either....

But really stare down your nose for someone smoking, vaporizing, or advocating marijuana.... And lie to yourself and think that with all the fuct up shit Obama has done, Paul can't legalize it.... Right....

There are so many leeches on pay-roll from corporations either continuing to get hand-outs, maybe the DoD getting job scared, who knows who you guys work for that has you scared Paul will quit subsidizing it, and how stupid you must be to think, that trying to break the argument down to one of drugs is even remotely believable....

NO the argument is about freedom and respect for human life.... And the drug war according to many people, is in effect a race/class-war, one Obama has no problem continuing.....

heh...nicely done V...and the vaporizers were an especially nice touch!

Firstly I should say that I am a foreign student who observes American politics very closely, and since all of you are interested in shitting on all of the candidates I have few questions in my mind and I would like to get logical responses and please forgive me for my grammar.

1. How the fuck one political party (Republican Party) has more than one candidate?
2. Shouldn't be an age limit for a candidate to run for presidency?
3. Are the votes of the people considered 100% in White House. Do people really affect White House's decisions??
4.This article did not explain exactly "Why NOT Ron Paul" and I smell biast
thoughts everywhere in the article. So Vandetta can you explain again why?

People in U.S. were asleep for more than 50 years and now, to change something, people need to sacrifice so many things and shit needs to go down. Political terms are so messed up. Ron Paul is considered as a Libertarian but it is more than that. He believes in Constitutional Republic system which affects every single individual in the country. He does not want to destroy the FED, but put limitations.

and Vandetta please enlighten me with your words.
and back to smoking big fat canon spliff.

Top Ten Poorest and Dangerous American Cities led by Democrats
What do the top ten most dangerous cities in America have in common with the top ten poorest cities in America? They have been under Democrat leadership.

Top Ten Most Dangerous Cities in America

1. St. Louis: 530 Democrat

2. Atlanta: 484 Democrat

3. Birmingham Alabama (tie): 380 Democrat

3. Orlando (tie): 380 Democrat

5. Detroit: 369 Democrat

6. Memphis: 361 Democrat

7. Miami: 346 Democrat

8. Baltimore: 339 Democrat

9. Kansas City, Missouri: 337 Democrat

10. Minneapolis (tie): 331 Democrat

10. Cleveland (tie): 331 Democrat

America’s Top Ten Poorest Cities

1) Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961;

2) Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;

3) Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… …………………..since 1984;

4) Cleveland, OH (4th)… …………………..since 1989;

5) Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

6) St. Louis, MO (6th)…. ……………………since 1949;

7) El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

8) Milwaukee, WI (8th)… ……………………since 1908;

9) Philadelphia, PA (9th)…………………….since 1952;

10) Newark, NJ (10th)… ……………………..since 1907.

Cool post and cool rant, my sentiments exactly.

I may vote for him just to piss folks off. He can't screw things up worse than they are.

Ron Paul 2012, I am done hoping for change. If we quit bailing out companies today, recovery starts today.

Yeah but the fact he would free HERO/PATRIOTS such as Bradley Manning...... is...

Ron Paul is above all else, a POLITICIAN. He uses the same dog whistle tactics that any other pol does to get support and to fill their campaign coffers from the people they see able to dupe. Paul plays both ends of the political spectrum better than any pol who has come before him, able to pick the pockets on the left and right with equal elan. You've got to tip your hat to that talent.