Florida GOP Turnout Actually Fell From 2008 by 15%, No Enthusiasm Responsible?
source: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/florida-gop-turnout-actually-fell-big-time-from-20...
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ERIC KLEEFELD JANUARY 31, 2012, 10:30 PM 4510 22
Underneath tonight’s big win for Mitt Romney in the Florida Republican primary, is a statistic that might suggest enthusiasm is flagging among GOP voters in this large and crucial swing state: turnout was actually down significantly from 2008.
In the 2008 Republican primary in Florida, in which John McCain beat Romney by a margin of 36%-31%, a total of nearly 1.95 million votes were cast.
But in tonight’s primary, turnout was actually much lower. At time of writing, with 98% of precincts reporting, the total turnout is only about 1.65 million — a drop-off of 15% in terms of the raw number of voters.
Romney did increase his own vote total, though. In 2008 he received about 605,000 votes. Tonight, it is up to about 765,000. (One can imagine him combining some of his old votes, with some of McCain’s in 2008, for his strong 46% plurality.)
Now, there is an obvious counter-argument to explain the drop in turnout: The 2008 primary had a decent amount of suspense. McCain was ahead in the final stretch of polls, but not by a landslide. By contrast, Romney’s huge double-digit lead in the polls might have taken some of the suspense out of it for voters this time around, and made it seem not worth as much effort to get to the polls for a winner-take-all contest.
However, we might also compare the state of the GOP in 2008 and now. Back then, they were in the minority in both houses of Congress, were saddled with a very unpopular lame-duck president, and had presidential candidates who often struggled at the task of standing by the party’s ideas and record while also differentiating themselves from the baggage.
This time, by contrast, the party has a huge majority in the House that it won on grassroots fervor, has a credible shot at the Senate, and has sought to forward an image of vigor and unity in their shared loathing of a Democratic president who has passed major pieces of legislation that they all despise.
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Joeydee44
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Hmmm...let's see...vote for Mitt...vote for Newt...stay home and masturbate...uh, what was the question?
- 4 months ago
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Joeydee44
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Ambill94
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Guess this means that at least 15% of Florida Republicans have a brain???? Hmm...I think that is higher than the national average isn't it?...just sayin'
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Ambill94
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dinm76
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Thank you Kennymotown. This is the sort of information that should be being payed attention to by the news media. It tells the real truth about the lieing republican party. WHAT a clown show!
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dinm76
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kennymotown
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dinm76:
There's a lot of money to be made in creating the illusion of a close election, thank you for commenting!
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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JohnA:
No, no.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown
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kennymotown
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JohnA
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kennymotown:
This time I am flagging you.
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JohnA
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kennymotown
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JohnA:
OK saltine! :)
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kennymotown
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mrtraffic
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Its because Republicans (and Dems for that matter) re-registered as Independents...Thinking that its a big F-U to the party and then they get angry about the results. Florida is a closed primary system, so if you register as Independent, you only get to vote in the Independent Party Primary. Here in Missouri we have a semi closed primary system i.e. we get to pick day of the primary what party we want to vote in.
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mrtraffic
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kennymotown
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mrtraffic:
Good point, it is after all the battle for the Independents that decides a Presidential election!
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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mrtraffic:
That's way cool.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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northernexpat
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My thoughts exactly when I looked at the total vote count. Where is the enthusiasm in the GOP. The same could be said in New Hampshire, low voter turn out. For a Presidential cycle it seems strange that the voter turn out so far has been so low. Could it be that the GOP is actually shrinking?
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northernexpat
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dinm76
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northernexpat:
How about dieing?
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dinm76
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HarukoHaruhara
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8.3 million people in Florida voted in the 2008 presidential election, and McCain got 4 million votes.
Only 1.65 million people total voted in this primary, less than half the number who voted for McCain four years earlier.
I thought the Republicans were all fired up to get rid of Obama. The Republicans don't seem to be very fired up to me.
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HarukoHaruhara
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kennymotown
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HarukoHaruhara:
Spot on!
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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He's icky.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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HarukoHaruhara
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I pointed this out last night -- 1.65 million total votes in a state of 19 million seems awfully small.
Only 8.7 percent of the people in Florida voted in this primary!
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HarukoHaruhara
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rerushg
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My bet is the GOP are secretly suppressing the write-ins for Daffy Duck.
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rerushg
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kennymotown
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rerushg:
I would too concur! :)
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kennymotown
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chew_chew
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How could anyone be enthusiastic about choosing between Mitt or Newt?
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chew_chew
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kennymotown
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chew_chew:
I know, pathetic isn't it! :)
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kennymotown
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circlesquared
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kennymotown:
nauseating
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circlesquared
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kennymotown
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circlesquared:
I know I catch myself throwing up a lot lately and stopping it in the throat! :)
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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Proof that the GOP is fracturing.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
No doubt about that! :)
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kennymotown
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circlesquared
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maybe it's down 15% because the people that turned out last go round have died or moved on...FL is sinking fast and I don't mean it's underwater just drowning in Scott's refuse and BP's oil.
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kennymotown
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circlesquared:
Those could be factors as well!
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kennymotown
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kennymotown:
my neighborhood has probably 1 in 5 houses empty or for sale...people are leaving in large numbers with no Gulf to enjoy, no fresh local seafood, no jobs and Voldemort as gov to make it all "better"
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circlesquared
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kennymotown
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circlesquared:
Maybe if Romney gets elected in true fashion as a Vulture Capitalist maybe he will sell off Florida after stripping the assets off.
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kennymotown
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kennymotown:
I think Scott already has the jump on him
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kennymotown
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circlesquared:
He's priming the Pump for him.
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kennymotown
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kennymotown
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With quint essential Mr. 1% (Willard Romney) looking like the apparent GOP candidate, it looks like it will be a down year for the Republican party. So in other words folks it's a great time to elect Progressive candidates on the coattails of a Obama reelection! Or should I say LANDSLIDE!
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown:
Progressive candidates will ride in on the coattails of a 1%er?
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
But a 1% who pays his fair share of taxes! And doesn't have a Swiss Bank Account, how un-American is that? Bottom line, Mittens is actually a .01%er!
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown:
Okay, but he is still a 1%er. I agree he's not Romney. But why support a 1%er just because he has a D after his name?
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
Because of His policy's have a better chance of passing in his second term now that he has seen the light and realized you can't negotiate with the current Repubs! And the 99%
Spring Revolution, I would rather have a Democrat in office with a cool head willing to take on the things needed for real change! - 4 months ago
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kennymotown:
just came across this and posted
http://current.com/community/93643751_no-matter-who-wins-americans-lose.htm
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circlesquared
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circlesquared:
I just saw it and commented, thanks!
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown:
Okay. I would just rather not have a 1%er, regardless of party. You are okay with a 1%er as long as he identifies himself with a D. I think that keeps us divided. The OWS movement can't work if it's ideas are sold out. If 1%ers are the problem, then under no circumstances should they be embraced.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
Apathy in 2010 gave us the Tea Party, just remember that!
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kennymotown
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown:
I will. And please remember that continued endorsement of either of these corrupt vessels (R or D) will continue to divide us and prevent us from having a govt that represents the people.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
without a doubt
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
Of course, but when your up against the MSM a viable third party candidate will always be shunned. Tear down the whole machine, that day is coming!
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JohnA:
It ain't all I'm going to call Willard, but apparently your pretty touchy about that! :)
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kennymotown:
About hypocrisy? Yes, I am.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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kennymotown:
I'm all for that.
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JohnA:
Waaa,waaa! :)
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kennymotown:
No offense to congo, but I've been here longer than he has. And you know it.
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