Comedy | February 19, 2012 | 44 comments

Your Cleavage Is Guilty of ‘Biological Sexual Harassment,’ and Other Dumb Ideas

source: http://tinyurl.com/7g7wuxw

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...There's nothing new about arguing that scantily-clad women drive helpless men to distraction — or worse. SlutWalkers and Talmudic scholars (among others) have made the case over and over that nothing a woman wears (or doesn't wear) can cause a man to rape her, but their voices are often drowned out by those who ridiculously insist on outsourcing all male sexual self-control to women....
Arndt claims that a conventionally attractive woman who shows off her cleavage "is advertising her wares to the world, not just her target audience, and somehow men are expected to know when they are not on her page… But as we all know, many men are lousy at that stuff — the language totally escapes them."
..But most men are not biologically incapable of either empathy or intuition. They can learn to distinguish sexual interest from politeness, a fashion choice from an attempt at seduction. Rejection from women (and "correction" from other men) is often how they learn.
The traditional arguments for women's modesty have been that concealing dress was necessary to protect men from lustful thoughts and to protect women from being raped. But Arndt and the MRAs have a different rationale. They're not offended by skimpy clothing on religious grounds, nor do they all buy into the myth of male weakness that says that bare female skin invariably causes otherwise nice guys to commit sexual assault. Rather, they seem to be arguing that by tempting all straight men while only being willing to sleep with a few, flirtatious or scantily-clad women are engaged in a particularly cruel form of sexualized discrimination. That, the MRAs insist, ought to be seen as sexual harassment....
The reality is that sexual rejection happens to men and women alike. That's part of living in a world in which for a host of reasons, we are not all equally attractive, and where the people we want to sleep with will not always want to sleep with us. The hard truth men and women alike need to grasp is a simple one: our arousal is not someone else's problem to solve. The sooner we encourage men in particular to grasp that truth, the safer and happier we'll all be

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44 comments // Your Cleavage Is Guilty of ‘Biological Sexual Harassment,’ and Other Dumb Ideas

  • remanns
  • remanns
    • +1
      remanns  

    • [ ..But most men are not biologically incapable of either empathy or intuition. They can learn to distinguish sexual interest from politeness, a fashion choice from an attempt at seduction. ]

      Geeeeeee. Thanx. How very BIG of you, Makes me want to start an outreach program of my own.

    • 3 months ago
  • RevKen
    • +1
      RevKen  

    • I have been getting rejected by pretty women all my life. I have been much happier since I learned how to "grasp the truth", as it were.

    • 3 months ago
  • nardo1224
    • +1
      nardo1224  

    • If they want to regulate anything, they should ban all old and fat men from running around in their underwear on screen or anywhere in public.

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • JohnA
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • Incredulous
    • +2
      Incredulous  

    • Hmmm, the comments on this post resemble the hearing on women's reproductive rights....all male.

      Seriously, you guys could spot a pair of notable breasts from across a football field...even if said notables were completely covered...not like endowed women need low cuts shirts, push-up bras or sparkly creams, you guys look anyway. You know it's true. I think women do that stuff just because they enjoy the goofy look on your face when they do ;-)

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • Incredulous
  • Tayllerand
    • +2
      Tayllerand  

    • Women who dress sexshy it's because they want guys to look at them, I will try to keep looking at her eyes but at the end I will loose my concentration. It is very hard for me to look at their faces when they are talking to me. May be I sold out.

    • 3 months ago
  • Milieu
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      Milieu  

    • "however the way women dress em up should be consider as one of the factors in why we stare at them... notions like "She was asking for rape, look at the skirt she was wearing." Is absolutely rediculous, however wearing a lowcut shirt, with a push-up bra and sparkly body lotions to enhance breasts in a LOOK AT ME fashion is a contributing factor to men looking, mentioning, or desiring interaction with your breasts. You don't want us looking at em, quit showing em off,"

      Oddly enough, my wife agrees with this part completely.

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • Milieu
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
    • +4
      The_Wanderer_Kansas  

    • OK here is my two cents, and probably then some... The womans' breast is not to blame, however the way women dress em up should be consider as one of the factors in why we stare at them... notions like "She was asking for rape, look at the skirt she was wearing." Is absolutely rediculous, however wearing a lowcut shirt, with a push-up bra and sparkly body lotions to enhance breasts in a LOOK AT ME fashion is a contributing factor to men looking, mentioning, or desiring interaction with your breasts. You don't want us looking at em, quit showing em off, because hanging a porterhouse infront of a hungry dog is HARRASSMENT anyway you want to look at it. We are all in position to take responsibility of our own actions, but let me leave you all with one question, Why exactly do women wear low-cut revealing shirts with push-up bras, chicken cutlets, glitter lotions, skin tight clothing, micro skirts et cetera et cetera? It is to be noticed! Because if you want to try and tell me its because of the "judgmental" behavior of men then you are simply enforcing judgemental behavior by dressing to be judged. --sighs-- Lets see who I piss off with this.

    • 3 months ago
  • KB723
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • KB723
  • KB723
  • jimstoner
    • +4
      jimstoner  
    • The_Wanderer_Kansas:

      Of course the ladies want to look good. Both men and women wear clothing that is attractive to the opposite sex, but it sure as hell isn't harassment. And I would thank you not to compare a mans appreciation of a beautiful woman to the dynamic of a hungry dog and a cut of meat. A provocatively dressed woman is no more sexually harassing to a man than a well dressed and groomed man is sexually harassing to a woman. (Didn't piss me off).

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
    • +4
      The_Wanderer_Kansas  
    • jimstoner:

      " A provocatively dressed woman is no more sexually harassing to a man than a well dressed and groomed man " Jim you contradict yourself in this single statement. Provacative is not the same as "well groomed". far from it. Appreciation of a beautiful woman is a far cry from the base animal urges we all suffer from, and a beautiful woman who chooses to frame her assets in a provacotive fashion does so with the intent of being noticed in a provacative fashion. In addition to this, the male and female sex drives, powers of perception, and thought processes are different. Trying to compare a provocatively dressed womans effects on a man to the similar effects on a woman from a well groomed man is at the base irrelevant, we behave see and think differently. This is obvious in that the most asked question by men is "What do women want?" and women ask "What are guys thinking?"... there is a divide between the genders and pandering to the idea that that how we present ourselves to the opposite sex bears no influence on how the other sex reacts to us is just assanine.

      --edit-- my mention of the porterhouse and dog was directed precisely at the individuals that react to being looked at in a negative fashion despite they intentionally put things in a frameword for no other reason then to be looked at... that is holding something in front of one who desires it and then saying "No you can't have that!" That sir is plain and simple harrassment.

    • 3 months ago
  • cmc101
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      cmc101  
    • The_Wanderer_Kansas:

      I like
      Good food
      good sex
      good religion
      with out good food I cannot enjoy sex
      without good sex I cannot enjoy religion
      without good religion I cannot enjoy God
      without a good god i cannot enjoy over coming my toils and sins.
      so let me start with milk from my mothers breast as in am a infant that will become tomorrow .

    • 3 months ago
  • KB723
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • jimstoner
    • +3
      jimstoner  
    • The_Wanderer_Kansas:

      Yes it is the same. Men find provocatively dressed woman attractive, and women find well dressed and groomed men equally attractive. I can see how my use of the word provocatively may have been confusing. I use it as opposed to dressed like a whore. Some could think they mean the same thing but that was not my meaning. I get what you mean by a women who dresses in a fashion that attracts attention and then is offended when that attention is given. I think this could be a sign of some kind of self esteem problem but I am no psychologist. I have been told that sexual harassment was a question of attraction. People will accept comments and attention from someone they are attracted to, that they would call harassment from someone they are not attracted to. I can see that being true.

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • jimstoner
  • KB723
  • jimstoner
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
    • +3
      The_Wanderer_Kansas  
    • KB723:

      My hypothesis is that regardless of anything else people who feel strongly on a topic will make comments without fully thinking through what was presented to them to illicit the response. In this case there was an incredibly well written article and not one of the responses yet have addressed the information held there in. I even intentionally dressed my thoughts( authentic thoughts mind you) in a "beta" male sort of way just to see what the reaction would be to a state of logical frustration, voiced with illogical conceptualization.

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
  • KB723
    • +2
      KB723  
    • The_Wanderer_Kansas:

      Well done, I just saw the photo and a comment, and stated what I saw, you are correct, I didn't read the post at all.... I am however putting together my new Blasting Cabinet... I may only be 35% here right now or for the last couple hours.. Heh, Kinda Coool.... =)

    • 3 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
    • +3
      The_Wanderer_Kansas  
    • KB723:

      I saw the story, saw the picture, read the article, re-read the article and still no one had posted a comment... so after some thought I had to do it. Additionally I am a little upset with the title of the article because I did not notice any other "dumb ideas" discussed at all... so even the post was made by someone that did't fully read the article, and the article's author was intentionally misleading... that may be what spurred me to play my little game lol. I will say I am shocked that there have been so few responses so far! This should have been a very hot topic..very hot topic...--drools--

    • 3 months ago
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
    • +3
      The_Wanderer_Kansas  
    • jimstoner:

      --wink-- I am sure your self-assured Id will keep you going friend! The post was valid, the article was valid, the only difference is that I dressed a comment to illicit response. But the concept of "trust" is something that should be held tight to the vest, especially in unverifiable internet forums, where people even keep their identies anonymous you can only trust in what you see and feel for yourself, but your a wise man, I am sure you already know that.

    • 3 months ago
  • KB723
  • cmc101
    • +1
      cmc101  
    • The_Wanderer_Kansas:

      it was from a freshman in collage back in 1962 a foreign exchange student from Russia
      the USSR and I was a redneck Missourian at the school of the Ozarks ,point look out
      Missouri and he Influence me along with an Pentecostal preacher and with encouragement the school president of the school and I have never been forsaken upon the journey that I stepped upon

    • 3 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • KB723
  • The_Wanderer_Kansas
    • +2
      The_Wanderer_Kansas  
    • jimstoner:

      MRA's=Men's Rights Advocates... the individuals who are pushing for a law that requires women to cover up or to "put out", which even my "beta" male thoughts at the top of comment chain clearly disagrees with. There are too many layers to the this issue for a simple answer like thier's to be the right one, however I do think women need to take more responsibility for their own choices and should expect interaction from men if they choose to dress in this fashion... now I do not accept non-consentual contact from men in this situation as being acceptable, but no more bitching about guys looking or commenting on what they have placed in front of them.

      --edit-- antipodes are a spot/person/thought et cetera that is diametrically opposed to another, the north pole and south pole are antipodal, hate and acceptance are antipodal et cetera

    • 3 months ago
  • jimstoner
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