Socialist Party USA.....The Real Democratic Party!!!! Wake Up People.

Uh, Switzerland is doing far better than Germany, as are Sweden, Norway, Denmark among others, all these countries are led by either Social Democrats or Socialists.

...and your holy-america least social is awash in debt... Due in no small part to it's endless imperialistic military adventuring, and playing at un-paid, un-wanted policeman to the world.

Well said Mrs. V, I have a feeling this will be the Party of the future for America!

Well and truly said!

Your right wingers are bringing all that trouble to this world. And you must have noticed by now that they plan to bring those troubles to you right here right now. ECONOMIC HITMEN. THEY SPENT DECADES SETTING UP THE WORLD FOR THE BIGGEST RIP OFF EVER AND IT IS COMEING ON RIGHT NOW !!!!!!!!!!! You may as well be in Greece. They already have you all greased up.

It is because some people keep killing human leaders as they step up. Hard to out vote triangulated sniper power.

Actually Spain was doing GREAT with a debt level hovering at around 36% of GDP until the PRIVATE sector ran amok and crashed the economy. Of course when an economy crashes due to Private Sector malfesance, revenues decrease and debt rises. But it is NOT..I repeat..IS NOT because of government spending that ANY of the now failing European countries are awash in debt. It is a DIRECT result of Private banks performing at BEST extremely high risk investments with the Nation's deposits...and at worst (which is what I believe to be true) they were outright stealing money through market manipulation.

Spain and Ireland were considered THRIVING economies before the global banking fiasco!

Interesting to note that Iceland had a superb economy working under a primarily Socialist model. Then there was pressure from outside financing to open up their banking system to Private investment...after that..their entire economy collapsed! Then, when they were being strong armed into accepting a Bailout and instituting Austerity measures, they told the IMF and the Eurozone to PISS OFF...and the banks could SUCK IT! They refused to pay for a private banks complete and total lunacy! As a result, they have been threatened with Isolation, and their Credit Rating has been downgraded TWICE. So they had a second vote...guess what they said...PISS OFF!! AGAIN!! The most astonishing thing is, now that they have re-socialized their banking system and allowed the PEOPLE (i.e. their elected representatives) to have control of the monetary system instead of a private, for profit bank..they are doing rather well. I guess "standard of living" IS subjective.

Socialist and union policies with their spending sank Greece.

I know, but the system is broke and this is the Party that will build America again for the people. We shall see how bad the economy breaks soon...

It really sucks. As much as I just want to write in Bernie Sanders or vote Green, I fear we'll be a third-world country after four years of Romney.

But that's not deterring me from getting involved at the local level. It would be AWESOME if we could get the socialists or the greens to take over one state's legislature.

Hint....

Oregon has a far better chance of this happening than here in Missouri.

Agree a strong real 3rd party having real political power somewhere would really shake things up in a good way!

I'm working on it, and for now the economy will not recover with a Republican Monster at the helm of the Presidency........but Americans will get what they deserve......it's almost like being a drunk or a drug addict we will have to hit bottom before we realize we are all in this together. :)

Already far from a true first world country so yes a continuing slippage further into the conditions of some of those old one-party-fascist-banana-republic type countries with the absolutely 2-tiered society, very small 1% at the top and the rest of us poor-peasants living in fear of the late-night knock on the door when you get "disappeared".

And THAT is what needs to serve as a wake up call for the Democrats. War on women....absolutely. But there is also a flat-out war being waged against the working class of this country, and it's about time to make some hard stands before people start storming the Bastille.

You are on a roll Vic, keep it up :)

Kenny. There is no bottom. There is no bottom in the bottom. We face silence and death. There is no bounce at the bottom. The republican kock brother plan has no bottom and no redeeming qualities.

well summed up!

Your mouth to any-and-all-god(s) ears!

I'm not sure either but a figurative bottom is close at hand!

The system is broke because of Capitalism! Bought out Media, bought and paid for Politicians thats all you need to keep the people stupid!

Who's wanting more of the same? It's pretty obvious to me that we're all pretty fed up with the way things are, and are fearful of the perceivable future. However, I don't believe we're a third world nation yet.

Sure, we have a few things in common with regards to civil liberties and cronyism.

It's because of the things you mention that my family's farm got foreclose and sold out from under us back when I was a kid. It's because of the things you mention that I can barely make our mortgage payments and live in fear that my wife or I are going to get injured or sick. It's because of the things you mention that created this economic shitstorm today.

But where we differ is that most of us here believe that we have a say in how things ought to be, and that our society functions best when each and every one of us has access to the most basic building blocks that make our communities, towns, cities and a nation--things such as education, health care, a clean environment, safe food and a modern infrastructure. We don't mind paying our share of taxes so long as everyone else is too. We don't mind regulations so long as they're not favoring corporations or certain segments of society over others. Oh, and we don't mind having a government who helps people who can't help themselves.

Why, you ask? Well, it's not because we believe that socialism is perfect or is going to solve every problem that we face. It's because because we've seen what happens when the government "gets out of the way." Not only does it just enrich the few at the expense of the many, but it eventually fosters a government that only serves the few at the expense of the many.

Libertarianism just doesn't work.

it's about time to make some hard stands before people start storming the Bastille.

But those in power trust the drones to do their 'light work'! I worry that NO one in government cares about what happens to us -- look at Wisconsin, no one in the national dnc could be bothered until it was too late. I say it's beyond time to storm the Bastille!

Pwr 2 the FED-UP peons! GUILLOTINE MEDIOCRITY -- NO obama/romney!
KUCINICH/SANDERS 2012!

I hope you know I was thinking of you when using that reference.

Pwr to the pissed off lefties and Pwr to you too!!!

What redistribution? There are more regulations and taxes in India and China and businesses are FLOCKING to those countries to do business. Also Japan is more regulated than the US Economy, and they are doing well. The regulation "red herring" is a joke for people who don't bother to do any independent research. The only regulations that China and India are more lax on are labor standards. That means you are correct, their is a redistribution going in, and that redistribution is UPWARDS.

I know for a fact that we agree on MANY thing JohnA so I am not trying to bash you with this response..just get a little frustrated by partisan bickering. Though I see by a later posting you made that you are not on board with Romney either. Just glad you can see that Obama is a corporatist as well.

My brother and I were talking last night, and we both agreed on this...the ONE sure bet you could make is that Banks (and corporations in general, especially multi-nationals) will continue to act like sociopaths, and the population will continue to be idiots.

I'm SICK of seeing "Progressives" bitching and moaning about the Banks and Corporatism by "Tweeting" from their iPhones while standing in line at Bank of America!

Yes!

Thanks Debra_ the Socialist Party just makes good sense and will turn the tables of oppression by the Capitalists!

Thanks for all your efforts! :)

I think you've nailed it Jim, thanks for checking it out. Maybe the kennymotown show should be about Socialism and the Party we need for real change in America. Contact me bro for the real deal....

"I guess that makes the U.S. anti-social."

Well said! I'm a %100 with Social Democracy though I'm not really at all a social person, like Randal...funny huh?.....

Dante: You hate people!

Randal: But I love gatherings, isn’t it ironic?

We need to start a Democratic Socialist group don't you think.

Couldn't hurt!

Call it an anti-authoritarian Democratic Socialist group and I think you will be more successful.

A sub-title possibly!

I agree . I been saying that for years and trying to turn it around one guy at a time. Times sure look hopeless for my country. MY PEOPLE. We could sure use something social.

Yes. We would want an anti-Stalinist message on the front cover.

Denmark, Sweden are the Democratic Socialist regimes I'm looking forward to. Stalin is a thing of the past.

Charlie Brown: I love the human race; it's people I can't stand!

Stalin was a dictator, nothing more. He wasn't "communist", wasn't "socialist", was a dictator just like so many of the other murdering dictators that the right-wingers have always had such cozy relations with in say South America for instance, or even our buddies in Saudi Arabia - hardly a democratic government there!

LOVE YOU> LOL

Bingo you nailed it, one of the very reasons why GOP followers get socialism mixed up with republicanism! :)

Oh it's by design! Decades of mindless repetitions of intentional lies all indoctrination of their "constituency".

Yup, some of the most brain washed people I have ever met in the world!

Backatcha gump :-)!

You should at least read the platform you may discover you just might be! :)

No I'm Not. I know what i stand for and it's not a Socialist platform.

...the right-wingers will take it all away and give it to their 1% corporate-fascist masters. It's their ongoing "redistribution of wealth". You know the thing they always claim the Dems are doing. It's telling that anything they say the Dems are doing -evil-, they themselves are the real ones doing. Voter fraud, check, Redistribution of wealth, check. It goes on and on...

I know what the right wingers are doing and it's wrong. But a pure Socialist platform is wrong also.

I don't think america is ever going to have any "pure Socialist" platform. I'm for good European style Social Democracy myself.

What's wrong about the "right wingers" again?

I believe it's called Greed. Beyond what is nomal.

What is normal?

I would say I am. But the last time I did I was sent a cleaning bill for a guys keyboard and monitor. So I will leave that to you to deside

Your answer is confusing to me.

You must ask yourself what is normal. My normal may be way off from your normal.

May I ask what is so right about them?

I have removed the Negative votes that you got. I'm not sure why you were voted down.

Sure, I wouldn't say there is anything right or wrong about them. If someone does something I don't like, I don't tell them their wrong or stupid or whatever, at least (I try) not to, of course I'm human and get mad like the rest of us sometimes. I don't negate others, because I know that won't change them. I was simply asking a question. I have my own views, but I don't talk about them online nowadays. Hope your well.

"There is nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

Agreed some what. Good or Bad is in the eye of the beholder. What is good for some may not be good for all.

Every community ought to decide for themselves I think. If you and yours don't want Socialism, then you should not be forced into it..but if me and mine want it, we should be allowed to have it. That's what I think...:-)

and you have the right to think as you wish.

Are you saying we should not be allowed to decide if we want to be Socialist? (I don't mean nationally, because I oppose a large National/Federal government) I'm not being argumentative, just trying to clarify if you disagree with my thinking on this.

Absolutely spot on, I've leaned towards the Democratic Party for years and am a Registered Independent, but I think I'll get on the hate list and register for the Socialist Party. The Platform is just about everything I stand for.

I'm recommending you read "The Tempest" and pay attention to "Gonzalo". You may also want to read the Tao Te Ching as well. The key is finding who's the real Bilbo Baggins and who isn't the real Mr. Baggins but also wants Socialism. This can't be stressed enough.

I think you can respect this platform:

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Socialist Party USA: 2012-2013 National Platform
International

The United States is the sole remaining global superpower. The U.S. government uses its overwhelming military power to consolidate its strategic hold over the entire world and to defend and advance the interests of U.S. owned corporations as they exploit the working people and natural resources of the entire planet. We stand in total opposition to U.S. imperialism and the current “war on terror” which is just another subterfuge for U.S. imperialism.
We call for the closing of all U.S. military facilities at home and abroad that train foreign military and paramilitary personnel.
We call for the United States to immediately and unconditionally withdraw its forces from Iraq and Afghanistan.
We call for an end to the U.S. occupation of the province of Guantanamo, Cuba.
We call for an end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank-East Jerusalem and Gaza, and an end to all U.S. aid to Israel, as a precondition for peace.
We support an immediate cutoff of all U.S. military aid to Colombia, and all other recipients.
We call for the abolition of the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and all other institutions of covert warfare.
We stand for unconditional disarmament by the United States.
We call for an international treaty outlawing all weapons of mass destruction, including the use of depleted uranium in conventional weapons.
We call for an immediate 50% cut in the military budget, followed by additional cuts, with the aim of rapidly reducing the military budget to less than 10% of its current level, with the "peace dividend" directed to essential social services and to the cost of cleaning up contaminated military sites.
We call for the disbanding of NATO and all other aggressive military alliances, and the closing of all overseas bases.
We call for an end to U.S. arms sales throughout the world.
We call for the U.S. to pay off its debts to the United Nations, an end to veto power in the UN, and an end to permanent membership on the UN Security Council.
We call for a constitutional amendment requiring a binding vote of the people on all issues of war or military intervention.
We support the right of soldiers to form unions to represent their views and interests.

This means every worker has a voice:

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Socialist Party USA: 2012-2013 National Platform
Labor

The Socialist Party stands for the right of all workers to organize, for worker control of industry through the democratic organization of the workplace, for the social ownership of the means of production and distribution, and for international solidarity among working people based on common opposition to global capitalism and imperialism. We believe that the international organization of labor is the only way of combating the exploitation of workers in a global capitalist economy. Working people have no country, but rather an international bond based on class. Workers throughout the world have far more in common with each other across national boundaries than with their bosses in their own countries. Ultimately a socialist revolution must be an international revolution that cannot survive if confined to individual countries amidst capitalist imperialism.
We support the right of any number of interested workers in a workplace to form a union with no limits on the subjects upon which employees and unions may bargain with employers.
We support the right of public sector workers to strike.
We call for recognizing a union based on cards signed.
We call for the democratic control of all unions by their membership, and independent of employer domination and influence.
We support the right of all workers to engage in collective action and self-representation regardless of union status.
We support militant, united labor action including hot cargo agreements, and boycotts, factory committees, secondary and sympathy strikes, sit-down strikes, general strikes, and ultimately the expropriation of workplaces.
We support the right of workers to hold shop meetings on company premises, elect their immediate supervisors, and administer health and safety programs through the formation of shop councils.
We call for the repeal of the Hatch Act and the Taft-Hartley Act, the "hot cargo" provision of the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all so-called "right-to-work" laws.
We call for the same benefits for part-time workers as for full-time workers.
We call for increased health and safety regulation of business, and for increasing the size and enforcement power of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
We support the creation of a fund for workers which would pay a worker’s full wages and health insurance as well as necessary educational and/or retraining costs if that worker loses a job due to environmental transition, down-sizing, corporate dismantlement, or capital flight.
We call for a 30 hour work week at no loss of pay, with six weeks annual paid vacation.
We call for unions to stop using union funds for electing candidates from the Democratic and Republican parties.
We call for the end of the decades-long exclusion of farm workers and domestic workers from receiving overtime pay

Tell me this economic approach makes sense, cause it does:

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Socialist Party USA: 2012-2013 National Platform
Economics

The Socialist Party stands for a fundamental transformation of the economy, focusing on production for need not profit. So-called fair trade is meaningless as long as the world economy is dominated by a few massive corporations. Only a global transformation from capitalism to democratic socialism will provide the conditions for international peace, justice, and economic cooperation based on the large-scale transfer of resources and technology from the developed to the developing countries.
We demand the immediate withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), and oppose the creation of a widened Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).
We call for worker and community ownership and control of corporations within the framework of a decentralized and democratically determined economic plan.
We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.
We call for a full employment policy. We support the provision of a livable guaranteed annual income.
We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries.
We call for a steeply graduated income tax and a steeply graduated estate tax, and a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum. We oppose regressive taxes such as payroll tax, sales tax, and property taxes.
We call for the restoration of the capital gains tax and luxury tax on a progressive, graduated scale.
We call for compensation to communities-- and compensation, re-training, and other support service for workers-- affected by plant and military base closings as stop-gap measures until we reach our goal of creating a socialist society totally separate from the global capitalist economy.
We oppose the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and the World Trade Organization as instruments of capitalist oppression throughout the world.
We demand cancellation of Third World debt.
We call for a National Pension Authority to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against corporate assets for any pension fund deficits.
We call for increased and expanded welfare assistance and increased and expanded unemployment compensation at 100% of a worker's previous income or the minimum wage, whichever is higher, for the full period of unemployment or re-training, whichever is longer.
We support a program of massive federal investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure reconstruction and economic development.
We support tax benefits for renters equal to those for homeowners.
We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and all other forms of corporate welfare.
We oppose the court-created precedent of “corporate personhood” that illegitimately gives corporations rights that were intended for human beings

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Socialist Party USA: 2012-2013 National Platform
Environment
We call for public ownership and democratic control of all our natural resources in order to conserve resources, preserve our wilderness areas, and restore environmental quality.
The U.S. must immediately return to participation in international agreements, such as the Kyoto Protocol, limiting carbon emissions, and accept a major role in worldwide efforts to control global warming.
We call for placing full financial responsibility on private companies for prevention and clean up of their own toxic wastes and for full compensation of workers and residents adversely affected by environmental hazards.
We oppose policies that target minority communities for placement of local landfills, toxic waste disposal sites, or incinerators.
We call for strong, enforceable endangered species protection that focuses on habitat-centered protection for plants and animals.
We oppose any new nuclear power projects and call for the rapid phasing out of all nuclear power plants, and a ban on the export of nuclear technology.
We support the recycling of glass, metals, plastic, paper, and chemicals and the use of recycled materials for public works projects such as roadways, parks, and playgrounds.
We call for shutting down waste incinerators and phasing out landfills and especially oppose targeting minority communities for hazardous waste disposal sites.
We oppose open-pit mining operations and support the reclamation of land used by mining operations at the company’s expense.
We support large-scale environmental restoration efforts.
Energy
The Socialist Party stands for municipal ownership and control of energy plants, in a non-profit and decentralized, but coordinated, system that ensures the most careful use of natural resources.
We call for the development of alternative energy sources including solar, geothermal, wind, hydropower, and biomass to end dependence on fossil fuels.
We call for a sliding-scale index which favors low-income people, to ensure that all people have access to utility services.
We call for mandatory vitrification (encapsulation) of all spent nuclear fuel, control rods and other waste.
We call for a ban on all imports of nuclear materials, whether they are vitrified or not.

All you Environmentalists aren't you tired of not having a Political Voice, one that listens to you. The Socialist Party is your answer you have been waiting for....

"a maximum income of no more than ten times the minimum." Unbelievable. So I should make a maximum of roughly $70 per hour even though I spent $200,000 going to college and law school. The same would be true, of course, for doctors and other professionals who have to spend a minimum of seven years in college to even qualify to take the examinations to practice their professions. Ridiculous.

Education would of course be a lot cheaper for many and free to others!

In Sweden everyone can go to college without paying anything for the privilege -- I have a friend who is a doctor; he is taxed at 70% of what he makes. He has his main home; a summer cottage, and a 30-ft sailboat that he sails during the 6 weeks of vacation he gets every year. He has spent much time here in the US and has tried to get us to move to Sweden as we would get more there than we do here. Sweden is a social democracy.

At $70 an hour, in one year you will make roughly $140,000. So in 2 years, all your school debt could be paid off entirely. What's the problem?