Buy a Goddamned Phone at Wal Mart Before the Apocalypse!!!!

Nope. It is true.

Not so.

It is. Sorry if you do not like it. Lenin had many murdered. In one case, he actually gave a general number of people to be executed in an area, for the sole reason of terror. He directed the cheka to execute (I forgot the number, but it was over 100) people: Find at least that many and execute them. This is the way of LEFTIST visionaries when they have power.

You completely distorted the actual facts, therefore what you wrote was not true - as always. I was not disputing what you wrote about Lenin, though. My father was there throughout that period of history, he was a captain in the Preobrazhensky Regiment. He left Russia in 1921 because he saw that Lenin was ruining the country and the people, that there was no hope for Russia.

No. I responded to someone who indirectly apologized for the revolution there by implying it was much better under Lenin's commies. That is all. No distortion. I do not abide by commie apologists who invariably attack Western civilization, the free market, and America in particular - all while enjoying the prosperity and liberty of the very place they profane, defile, demean and despise.

You distorted facts with regard to the Czar.

No, my data are accurate. Not to the specific number. And deal with the concepts once in a while, please.

No, I do not confuse anything. I am correct.

Dearie, you do nothing BUT confuse things all the time, and are seldom correct if at all!

Sorry to intrude, but listen to Gogol Bordello's ' Moussalini vs Stalin'. Might find
it informative.

Do you have a link? I never heard of Gogol Bordello :)

The CEO's will be laughin' out out of the other sides of their mouth soon enough.
The banks will inevitably implode.

"In VERY short, "we" somehow, have got to get the protectors of the in-slavers, -police, national "guard"/military- to stop protecting the in-slavers. It's that simple."

Amen

You don't have to 'pray'........ The System of course. I worked all 3, City, State, and
Feds. And they're all corrupt. No County, praise be. Heard enough horror stories
comin' outta there, most which were publicized publically.

Aren't they a gypsy punk band from NY ?

Listen to Gogol Bordello's Moussalini vs Stalin. Pardon the intrusion in your
intense arguement, but I stand with Vierotchka

Yes, I've answered in here, but it's out of sync. There's a wonderful song, RAISE
THE KNOWLEDGE by Gogol in the Obama A Great President Yes thread. I also
tapped out more info on this webbers.

Now yes, but Eugene Hutz immigrated from the Ukraine and began the band.
A good interview with him on youtube Gogol Bordello PBS I Need To Know. You can
get the full story there.

Wow - this thread IS messed up. I responded several times on this, plus sent you an
e-mail on your profile.

Here again I reiterate. Yes, NOW they are, but Eugene Hutz < (Gogol Bordello)
immigrated to the U.S. from the Ukraine and is half gypsy. Explore him thru youtube
because he has only one album Gypsy Punks. Others are East Infection, Trans-
Continental Hustle, and many others.

The Left-wingers do not want to admit it, but non-GOVERNMENT unions have been in decline since the early 1950s! They present this as something new. The American public started turning against unions after WWII was over, and the decline stated a half century ago.

This is the reason that they are fighting to strengthen GOVERNMENT unions. It is the last stronghold.

The BIGGEST political campaign contributors are unions, by far. I mean when I looked, I was really shocked at how disproportionately they contribute.

Take a look-see:

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

You will see that of the top 18 donors, not a SINGLE ONE donates primarily to Republicans! 4 are mixed, leaving 14 that give to Democrats. So, of the top 18 that give more to one party or the other, 100% give to Dems! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!

Of those 14, ELEVEN (11) are UNIONS!

Or we could round it off to the top 20: 15 to Democrats and 12 are UNION. ONE to Republican.

So, you agree that life was better under Lenin than the Czar?

Who said anything about the 'evil rich' ? Nah me. Why.......are you one?

For the 50th time........... The System.

Let the inmates free the guards.

Won't bother watching it if it's from you. Nah...... any opinon I might have concerning
your vudeo post would be quickly overran by your lobotomized brain.

And that's just Black Friday.......... think of all the altered states behind the lethal
weapon of the wheel........ even mega-stress creates agressiveness. Speed seems
to rule as well.......... while the poe-leece feed their pie-holes with doughnuts. lol

If only and could have beens.

I answered this in detail and agreed, but where's my comment? The post is probably
somewhere insanely placed between unrelated issue. Whoop-da!

Oh jeez........ I just got to watch this; that was an excellent flick. And the part you
posted is so-o-o wistfully true. Someday. One day. A real rain........yes, could
have been's and if only's. Good one, thanks!

great perspective !

Just one sick society.

I can only imagine. I can just feature.........and that's enough to boggle the mind.

We're gettin' there....... and the sickness is accelerating.

Beast careful........or you'll have matimis telling you that you say you HATE this
country and should leave it if you don't like it here.
Matty's gotta be one of the trolls....... fairly nauseating with his megalomania.

Wally World has a special breed of vacuous minded, savage, hostile folk. A lot of
document forwards go thru the e-mail loop entitled Worse Than Walmart showing
random photos of 'shoppers' depict a breed of idiots.

And there's more to life than 'spending money.' Trauwvyka!

Would make a dandy bumper sticker.

My head still hurts from drinking too much last night, but I'm laughing pretty loud here now...

LMAO !

Yeah, spending moneetska minska.

Good one ! I always liked Steely Dan. Had no idea he had this song out. Thanks
for posting coolplanet !

Glad you liked it! It was playing on the radio driving home from the grocery store and I thought it was perfect for this thread.

Pay all my bills and bail the hell out. Love me some Steely Dan on a Saturday.

You know it ! Don't forget "Aja", one of Steely Dan's masterpieces.

Oh, thanks for that! Larry Carlton is among my favourite guitar players. :)

Yes. The Left is angry at Walmart because they hate the free market and anyone who is successful in it.

I'm not sure what Everythingsleeps comment, which you are responding to, has to do with the Left, or Liberals, Left-wingers, etc. etc... but it's good to see that you are as sloppy as ever in your attempts to politicize statements that have little or nothing at all to do with Left vs Right mentality.

Quit projecting hate on to people here . Speak for yourself , NOT me .

Left wingers hate to see people become rich. Maybe you are different.

Let me ask you. Do you believe that if someone becomes rich, others have lost out?

You asked that question in a very absolutist way , as if you have already an answer you plan for me to give you . So you can use a pre arranged argument perhaps ? How sad . Do you REALLY expect me to lump all rich people together ? You seem to lump all " Liberals " together , so i guess from your mindset , it must work that way for everyone . In that case , my response will be irrelevant to you . because it is not what you want it to be or expect and you will not HEAR it . It is as if i do not really exist for you , i am a figment of your imagination . It depends on HOW they did it , of course . IF you invented an artificial heart or computer then , its good . It is evil to gain by the spread of misery and oppression . Do you think YOU improve people's lives ? Do you make things of quality and beauty ? Do you hear and not hurt ? Here , i think your intent is to hurt . I bear you pity and no ill will , but i do not trust this is an honest question , though it was honestly answered .

I do not know if you are a Left-winger. You sound like one.

The idea is to see if you believe in the 0-sum idea: If someone gains economically, does it mean that someone lost? The basic concept, overall. What do you think of that? It was a concept shown in the Movie "Wall Street" in which the rich Gecko, when questioned by the younger protege about his ethics in getting rich, simply says, "Well, kid, there are winners and losers.," meaning that in business transactions and such, one gets richer at the cost of someone losing.

This is not an essential characteristic of Left-wingers, but many believe this.

{ It is evil to gain by the spread of misery and oppression . Do you think YOU improve people's lives ?}

It is important to point out evil and destructive elements. Left-wingerism is destructive of America.

Notice , i answered your question , and you ignored mine . Just as i predicted . You are arguing with yourself .

" It depends on HOW they did it , of course ."

I know you wrote that.

And you wrote this:

" It is evil to gain by the spread of misery and oppression ."

And that is rather wishy-washy. I am speaking about general business, not creating cures for cancer. In general, when a person gains quite a bit in wealth, do you think that most of the time, others lose out?

Maybe I'm beginning to understand the defintion of right-wing success, Mishima. That is, having the most employees who need government help to pay for their basic needs.

Left-wingers will not deal with human realities and human nature. They will make pretenses at being "above it all," and it is impossible to have an honest discussion with Left-wingers. Absolutely impossible.

I will write something, and if you are a Leftist, you will not read it in the context of human beings, but from the point of view of some chimerical absolutist Liberal tripe.

The truth is quite simple, and I am speaking to human being, not to myself. I know if you are a Left-winger you will twist and distort, so let's see if you are or not. The truth is that if the government offers something for nothing, many, many people will take advantage of it.

It is that simple. If there are deductions from taxes, for instance, almost all people who qualify for them will take them, simply to pay less in taxes. To deny that is to deny human nature. In the same way, we must limit the possibilities for human being and companies to get money for doing nothing. It is that simple. Look at how it is that people (or companies) can reduce their financial obligations. Don't look to change human nature or rely on people and companies doing the "honorable" thing when profits or savings are concerned.

I hope that answers your assertion. I hope you are not a Left-winger distorter. I certainly hope so.

Wait, let me get this straight. The rightist is quoting a mass entertainment product, (the movie 'Wall Street'). Is that where he gets his information from? (I was accused of that earlier in the week for mentioning 'Lincoln'), duplicitous and hypocritical behavior at its worst.

If a union shop is closed in say, Michigan, and another operation is either contracted-out or built in China, and the cost for sale of the product in the United States remains approximately the same, and the executive board realizes a large increase in bonuses and pay, and the stockholders are given a small share of that, then yes, certain people in this transaction are gaining wealth at the expense of others, (the laid off workers and the peripheral businesses that depended on the going concern).
How can the rightist not see that?

"I will write something, and if you are a Leftist, you will not read it in the context of human beings." There he goes again, veering off topic and demonizing his enemies. Is there any doubt that this rightist sees us as less than human?
And, civilization can be better than the base instincts that this person projects. The greed factor, (of desiring less taxes), is not the only motivation that will guide society.

We hate Walmart because the management is a bunch of union-busting trash. Ring any bells?

My initial response was supposed to be intentionally ironic. "...having the most employees who need government help to pay for their basic needs." The capitalistic intent is to have people who are free to live on their own without help. Contrast Henry Ford, who many consider to a leftist" with Walmart for a moment. Ford thought he should pay his employees enough to buy the product they were producing. As a result his product was a great success and his employees were self-sufficient. On the other side there is Walmart, that does not pay their employees enough to be self-sufficient, and hence they need to beg the government for help.

Kind of ironic, no? So, how do we get people to go against human nature (I believe that is what you call it) and actually pay employees enough to purchase the products they build? instead of as little as possible? Currently, we have this complex system of taxation which we might agree to be less than perfect.

If you can answer this question then we might begin having a real honest discussion.

In that case, Walmart took advantage of the government benefits for people with low incomes. First step is to do away with those benefits except for children who are abandoned, the severely handicapped and the insane. Then Walmart would not consider that.

Next is to stop with the attacks on the culture. Let states decide issues. There were "blue Sunday" laws in which stores had to be closed, depending on how states and communities decided, but radical types claimed 'discrimination."

Next, let the spirit of Christianity be free. I am an atheist, so I would have no personal stake in the revival of the spirit, but it would do wonders for the country if respect were given instead of anger and fear.

We cannot improve these things via government regulations and laws. It is the culture. Get the bureaucrats and the ACLU out of the schools; give authority back to the administrators and teachers, and stop the due process completely in the schools. Don't apply due process procedures for children. Trust the teachers and administrators. Let the schools celebrate Christmas openly, singing songs of Christmas cheer that include "Away in the Manger."

"In that case, Walmart took advantage of the government benefits for people with low incomes. First step is to do away with those benefits except for children who are abandoned, the severely handicapped and the insane. Then Walmart would not consider that."

This might work if people didn't experience a lot of hunger and cold. Can you think of another first step?

Let the schools celebrate Christmas openly, singing songs of Christmas cheer that include "Away in the Manger."

If we did this children would want to be singing songs of every holiday of every faith. Some nations try this and the results - well everyone will have their opinion of what is working. You might find children singing "Away in the Manger" in Indonesia, for example, because Christianity is one of their national religions. That solution only works so well (and only so poorly, I might add).

I would consider making church and school more accessible to one another. A child might want to sing religious songs with children of the same faith after school if church were more accessible.

artemis is right......... Oil is the kindness that takes the friction out of life.. Try a bit
of kindness...... it always works.

aremis6, please stop trying to convince a fool and cool it. You have wisdom that
dumbie doesn't want, obviously. Ignore the know-it-all and that above all else, is
insulting by showing he doesn't exist with his opinionated personality.

In ref to union busting trash, I live in Wisconsin and Scott Walker, a rep governor
elected for a 2nd term just slimed in ( The Walkin' Crude) and did many facist things
such as give the City of Oak Creek the go-ahead to bust their employee's union.
No bargaining rights.

Thus, ring any bells? Sure ! The twilight of American culture.

Well here's something that has some truth in it.

Just to lighten things up here abit.... she, she, she, she sheet on me......birds
have TWO wings. Stay off the sidewalk to wise up. Figuratively speaking, of
course. Don't get steamed........ I just like to throw in some humor now and then.

"This might work if people didn't experience a lot of hunger and cold. Can you think of another first step?"

In many ways, it is best not to take actions - change things - during a time of crisis. In a time of less intense economic pressure, it would be the best first step to cut the people off from welfare and all forms of subsidies, then they will simply stick with jobs and work more.

"If we did this children would want to be singing songs of every holiday of every faith."

I doubt it. Most schools are overwhelmingly made up of Christians. Most of our country is Christian. If a school is mostly made up of Jews, it would be fine to celebrate Passover, for example. There are schools in Hawaii that have Buddhist celebrations.

The main idea is to use common sense. And to COMPLETELY IGNORE the squeaky wheel. We listened too much to the atheists. For instance, in the Castroville, Texas complaint that one student said a 24 second prayer at graduation, it was taken to the federal courts and the Supreme Court. All from one or two atheists. They should have been ignored. It is absurd to even listen to them. Remember, I say this as an atheist.

The Christmas holiday is a national holiday, a cultural event. There is a spirit about it. It is only one thing. But we have to resist this codification of our society - having a society run on cold contracts and rules - and this is only one small step in the larger culture war.

"I would consider making church and school more accessible to one another. A child might want to sing religious songs with children of the same faith after school if church were more accessible."

No, this should be carried on in the schools, as well as - if the school decides - hanging the 10 Commandments and allowing a moment of silence. Heck, I think that there should be a non-denominational prayer in the schools, with students not having to participate, of course.

On the commercialism of Christmas, as Crazy Horse once said, "And all this you do
in the name of God ?!"

Wally World is beginning to sound more and more like Naazi Germany and the
bogus front of the 'work' camps. Holay !

The squeaky wheel sometimes gets the attention, but sometimes its replaced.

There is the Brahma Mantra in the Hindu religion. It has no words to disagree with. Simply... Ahhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm! We could borrow that.

Advocating for less taxes has nothing to do with greed. In fact, advocating for higher taxes is pure greed. It means one wants more from the government without doing anything to earn it, and that "more" comes from confiscating the property of strangers that one has labeled as "evil" people who do not deserve what they have. That makes stealing by Left-wingers quite convenient. In fact, Left-wingers even redefine their theft as "moral," lying to themselves that having the government redistribute wealth is somehow "moral," when true morality can only be had via voluntary choice.

No, Left-wingers forced Americans to repress the recognition of God, via court orders.

You did not answer my question .

What question? You asked a lot of personal and presumptuous questions. Here they are: " Do you think YOU improve people's lives ? Do you make things of quality and beauty ? Do you hear and not hurt ? "

These are presumptuous. If I answer "no," which you and other LEFT-WINGERS would like, then you can start the puerile attacks. If I answer "yes," you will claim I am lying.

It appears that your views are quite narrow. And all of these threads are personalized by you, when they are not, in fact, about you - or about me.

I will not demean myself by answering such vapid quesitons or explain my personal life to you, of course.

I suppose you mean well . I thank you for it . A few decades ago , i might have agreed with you . Now , I respectfully disagree . If people ignore those who spreads lies , cruel sentiments and right wing propaganda it only serves to allow them to think they are the majority and speaking for those others , when in fact , the individual speaks only for a very select few of the population . Such people are simply appendages of the Fox "news" propaganda system , which in No way a majority reflection of the general public . As could be evidenced by the last presidential election . When delusions are that sick and threaten to poison all , they need to be substantially countered .

I think you should keep your creepy blood drinking and flesh eating religion out of my kid's school . Thank goodness for free speech .

I could live with that .