Joe Biden Says No Need To Own Assault Weapons: 'Buy A Shotgun!'

" If you want to play with the real thing apply for a law enforcement job and become a member of the real Homeland Security team."

The real thing is only available to law enforcement and military. Civilians do not have access to assault weapons unless registred prior to 1986.
2A is the real HOmeland Security team.

What would you know about it, toughguy?

Really ?? I know a couple of people that have fully automatic firearms and they even have suppressors on them. A close frind of mine has two AR-15's that are fully auto all you need is money and a clean record to get them these days. Hell folks even hunt with suppressors around here.

The real thing is only available to law enforcement and military

That comment is wrong. You can buy any fire arm you want if you fill out the proper paper work and pass a background check. Be it fully automatic with a suppressor or a custom made job such as a 338 Norma.

We can also own flamethrowers and belt fed MG34s.

I'm not sure about flame throwers but if you fill out the right form you can own a belt fed gun

Yep, I looked into it, unless your state has banned flamethrowers, like commiefornia, you can buy em used, or construct one yourself.

Ok I need to look into that. I'm in Texas so just maybe I can build my own.

OK if you read it a certain way you are correct. The NFA guns out now cannot be transferred to civilians. Civilians can possess NFA guns if they do the Form 4, fingerprint card and a CLEO letter but the supply of NFA guns available to civilians is set. Current law enforcement, dealer samples and military stuff is not available to civilians. Only the military and law enforcement have access to the real thing. Civilians cannot buy these at retail. My apologies for the confusion.

Oh put a sock in it. I know a huge amount about this. We are talking about two different items. Probably my fault as I assumed that anyone on the other side talking about this would know enough that I did not have to spell out everything but the zeal to find fault is so ingrained in some peoples mind that I cannot escape it.but anyhow yes I know all about Form 4s, CLEO letters and fingerprint cards. I have a LOT of experience with privately held NFA guns. Don't get your panties in a bunch. Yes I am aware the we can also own belt fed including a minigun. Also you are not reading my posts. You guys do this with annoying regularity. I never said you could not buy one after 1986. However, if it makes you feel any better, fine, I know nothing about what I am talking about and you know everything. This crap is getting old. It's tough to have a civil conversation around here.

"All you have to do is apply for the "trust" from the FBI. "
Yeah, and I don't know what I am talking about. I think you are making this stuff up.

Retail no but the guns any gun can be bought and owned by a person that has the right to do so. Those that pass the background check. An all that takes is money. Look I have friends that own the same type of firearms made by the same people they carried in the field in sand land.

Yes I know how the transfer of Class 3 weapons is done.

"Set up a trust with the FBI. "

I had just got home from a 13 hour shift and did not catch this last night but...this "Set up a trust with the FBI." thing is funny. I now am certain that you are pulling our collective legs, don't own these guns and really don't know what you are talking about.
The ATF approves and registers the transfer of Class 3 weapons not the FBI. If you really owned these items you would know this but since you don't know this I call foul. Sedwin, you are a poser, a fake. I was correct, you DON'T know what you are talking about. Do you even know which end of the barrel the bullet exits from? This is rich. You and your compadres spend a great deal of time trying to make me look like a fool and you have done in yourself. LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL just to use your words. I have NEVER chortled in this fashion but this is too good to pass up. Oh my God.
This conversation is over. You are done my friend.

Annnnnd you'd still have that gun.

I'm assuming that gun wasn't an assault rifle, but even if it was, you could still keep that too.

People are constantly delusional about what is actually being proposed. No one is taking anything anyway or even banning the sale of most guns.

Right, because an assault weapons ban has never happened before and last time they did it, it was met with a giant confiscation.

Spare me.

Are you guys even paying the slightest attention to what Barry and the rest of the bunch are proposing?

Yes, much fucking closer than the right-wing, who are out screaming bloody murder over fucking nothing that hasn't been done before.

They were screaming bloody murder about his executive orders too, acting as if larger databases for background checks and a CDC study was fucking Nazi confiscation or something.

What's so irritating about the right-wing is that they're actually mostly right on this issue, but they're so fucking retarded they can't be trusted to deal with any issue rationally.

I'm not going to dignify your profanity laden hatred with a conversation.

You won't respond because there is no sneaky lie you can use to make this seem extreme.

The truth is, unfortunately, pretty solid.

I honestly think this issue is cultural and racial.

As in, "the big city, black liberal is coming to take my guns!"

It's the only thing that explains how irrational the response to this is.

No junior. I gave you the reason I will not engage you in conversation. RE-read my post to be clear. Oh, you said nothing but hurl insults anyhow so there is nothing to respond to. Your mind is full of hatred and incorrect assumptions. In any event, you are so full of yourself there is no room for anything else.

Maybe for a zombie apocalypse or flat-out urban warfare, but for simple home defense?

It's not an assault rifle, it's a homeland defense rifle.

" How can these people be so stupid??"

Well, they are dumbocrats.

"Well, they are dumbocrats."

Hmmm. Good point. I don't think that all Dems are this ignorant but it certainly seems to be the norm for that party.

Wait, you say he's stupid because it's unreasonable to defend your home with a gun?

Can you go on record saying that please? Because it kind of makes your counter-argument a waste of time.

"Wait, you say he's stupid because it's unreasonable to defend your home with a gun?"

Do you even pay attention to what you read? I am going to copy my post for your edification. No where do I say that " it's unreasonable to defend your home with a gun?"
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What a complete IDIOT. This is the guy who is a heartbeat away from the presidency. I look at this advice and the reactions to what a sheriff said about confiscation of guns bringing the second American Revolution and am convinced that the posters to the latter are even bigger fools than Biden.
So the solution to someone on your property is to fire into the air. First of all, anyone who knows anything (self explanatory as to why Biden said this) knows that warning shots are a no-no. You can't use deadly force against a mere trespasser (even Biden could not be stupid enough to propose this remedy against a home invasion........could he????). It is even possible that firing to frighten may result is felony charges against the homeowner. Even if someone avails themselves of this and uses buckshot you could have in excess of 30 projectiles in both rounds, much more if shot was the load.
This is as ignorant as Joe Salazar, Colorado Democrat, saying that if a woman is attacked, in order to prevent herself from being raped she should have a whistle evidently to bring help.
How can these people be so stupid??
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If you want to address what I wrote than please do so but stop going off on some wild goose chase in another different direction.

Your right and how about the people a block away that get hit with shot. I have a farmer neighbor about a mile from me that does that, he shoots off his porch. Here you can shoot on your own land but you better know where the shot is going, if someone gets hit you'll be in jail. It's hard to justify self defense if it's more than 21 feet, or they better have a weapon.

"Do you even pay attention to what you read?...No where do I say that " it's unreasonable to defend your home with a gun?" "

Yeah, I fucking did. A lot more closely than you did.

If you had the slightest grasp of logic, you could understand the implications of statements like....

" First of all, anyone who knows anything...knows that warning shots are a no-no. You can't use deadly force against a mere trespasser (even Biden could not be stupid enough to propose this remedy against a home invasion........could he????). It is even possible that firing to frighten may result is felony charges against the homeowner. Even if someone avails themselves of this and uses buckshot you could have in excess of 30 projectiles in both rounds, much more if shot was the load. "

So you can't shoot at them, you can't use less-than-lethal rounds and you can't even fire the weapon just to frighten them....

...which implies that it is essentially useless to own a gun.

Keep in mind, you're calling Biden an idiot because of this. Not because of anything related to gun control.

Then you're dumb enough to say...

"This is as ignorant as Joe Salazar, Colorado Democrat, saying that if a woman is attacked, in order to prevent herself from being raped she should have a whistle evidently to bring help. "

Well, what did you just call Biden an idiot for doing?

You think that the same rules don't apply here.

Keep in mind, what you're refuting Biden on is literally the entire basis for the right-wing argument in favor of owning any and all weapons.

The dreaded "home intruder" who's out to kill you and your family. Which is what Biden is responding to. Claiming that it's not going to kill you if you need to defend your home with a shotgun instead of an AR-15.

So, I'll say it again since apparently you need everything explicitly said to you.

Why are you so fervently mad at Biden if you don't even agree with the premise that you can use a gun to defend yourself?

"Why are you so fervently mad at Biden if you don't even agree with the premise that you can use a gun to defend yourself?"

I don't say this often here but you are acting like a complete fool. I am not mad a Biden. Only a fool would infer anger due to someone saying that a statement was idiotic. YOu must have pulled the idea that I don't agree with the premise that a person can defend themself with a gun right out of your butt. I am going to copy my post AGAIN so that you can re-read it, comprehension seems to be not your forte, and perhaps answer your own questions.
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What a complete IDIOT. This is the guy who is a heartbeat away from the presidency. I look at this advice and the reactions to what a sheriff said about confiscation of guns bringing the second American Revolution and am convinced that the posters to the latter are even bigger fools than Biden.
So the solution to someone on your property is to fire into the air. First of all, anyone who knows anything (self explanatory as to why Biden said this) knows that warning shots are a no-no. You can't use deadly force against a mere trespasser (even Biden could not be stupid enough to propose this remedy against a home invasion........could he????). It is even possible that firing to frighten may result is felony charges against the homeowner. Even if someone avails themselves of this and uses buckshot you could have in excess of 30 projectiles in both rounds, much more if shot was the load.
This is as ignorant as Joe Salazar, Colorado Democrat, saying that if a woman is attacked, in order to prevent herself from being raped she should have a whistle evidently to bring help.
How can these people be so stupid??
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I hope this helps. Have a nice day.

What's so bad about owning, or some dude recommending you having, a shotgun? It's not like there's a law on the books requiring you to go out and buy one or anything like that.

"What's so bad about owning, or some dude recommending you having, a shotgun? "

Absolutely nothing but if you will notice what he said and the replies the fact that Joe the Joker said to buy a shotty is not an issue it is the actions that he advocates as a crime prevention tool. For THAT he is an idiot.

Heh. This is my BOOM-stick!

Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.

I voted you up for speaking your mind; however, my feelings are mixed.

I believe you are correct that guns give people a false sense of security.
However, I reject the existence of god, and find that "faith" in god is ultimately a vice, rather than a virtue.

Cheers!

Thanks Uni.
By God I mean instinctual reason.
By faith I mean trust in nature.
I have lost all faith in humanity so I need to pretend there is something greater.
I flirt with atheism all the time but somehow I know that there is a power we have yet to discover, let alone trust.
Meanwhile I like confounding the gun lovers.
You cheered me up!

It's not about faith.
It's like the people that tempt god!
Like get in harms way & say god will save me!
They are telling god what to do!

God helps those that help themselves.

Having a AK-47 just does not get Bible like!
Like Jesus on a donkey! Not a tank!

Don't judge religion as it is today! It's false!

If Jesus came back today I am sure he would smash the churches today,
they are markets! Religion will change in time!

There is god!
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk )

What mortal is qualified to ordain what and how GOD intends to work his ways and will?

What mortal is qualified to ordain whether GOD supports the 2nd Amendment or not?

What mortal is qualified to ordain whether GOD supports lethal self defense, or not.

What mortal is qualified to ordain whether GOD means that "turn the other cheek" equals rendering one's self defenseless against lethal threat, or not?

It occurs to me that those who appropriate GOD's prerogatives and exclusive omniscience, and purport to speak for GOD, are themselves Blasphemers, suggesting that God is limited and can only work it's will in one man determined way. This very idea is to refute the fundamental essence of God, as most in the world understands GOD's alpha/omega, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence to be.

When and where was the Biblical teaching that GOD works in mysterious ways discredited?

CP, does your comment's 7th line indicate that you are delighting in being a troll?

No problem guy. I gave you one.

I'd rather have a dog and a shotgun in the event of a home invasion. Just don't think the almighty is going to save my ass. Of course, I hope my home never gets invaded.

I guess you don't look both ways when you cross a road, right.

I agree with this.

I prefer a dog and a rifle the road is over 70 yards away, I do want to be able to reach the road if there is a drive by.

Man, I think you need to move to a better neighborhood.

It has improved the bank foreclosed on the drug dealers. This road is 3 miles long and there are 6 people, woods all around and fish ponds. It has it's good points but guns are necessary.

Shotgun with rice! Oh the old days!

What the heck is "zombie ammo"?

Hmm. Steve Hornady builds some nice ammo. It has been a while since I bought any stuff except for .17 HMR which does a great job on canines and groundhogs. Perhaps I will look this stuff up. Zombie ammo, what a good marketing tool.
I like regular 230 gr. hardball or the H&G # 68 bullet in the 1911. Seems to work well.

What you said is true and a lot of people don't understand that, it depends on where you live and how close your neighbors are, what will work for me may be unsafe for you. I live in the country with 6 people in three miles. I have over 200 yard shooting ranges here, when I want to practice I can.

I don't know man how many times have you been shot at ?? Hard to miss things with a shot gun. being caught in a doorway or up close and you don't have a chance of surviveing Oh and my pump holds five rounds.

"Once she's fired her double barrel, Joe, trespassers could jump the balcony and seize her before she even thinks about reloading."

What is she facing? A Zombie invasion? Your scenario is a Hollywood fantasy and extremely laughable as a counterargument. Please, please, please try to actually apply common sense for the common good for yourself and all of us who read your ridiculous conjecture.

She may hear noise or a disturbance, and pop off those two shots, but it doesn't mean she saw who or what to shoot at. Joe's suggesting that the mere firing of those shots will end any violent intent irrespective of it's nature. It's nonsensical and disingenuous at best.

tsk, tsk... I won't lower myself to attacking you back. It seems that the fact Jill is the wife of a United State's Vice President registers as insignificant and inconsequential to a potential attacker, in YOUR SENSIBILITIES... It makes it not worth commenting on.

I have taught my Wife to fire mid torso and to go into the back room and when they walk down the hall let them have it. squeeze the trigger and slide the slide easy as pie.

P.S. you are right as far as needing more than two shots for best results.

At close distances you have to aim a shot gun, Police sometimes fire 30 rounds with no hits.

I do a bit better than the police then thirty rounds and I will take down a small tree or install a zipper in somebody I grewup duck hunting in the back bays around here I do alright with a shotgun. I have been useing the same gun for thirty some odd years.

you're not making any sense, commonsense. The fact is your scenario is ridiculous and something out of a Hollywood movie not reality. And jump over the balcony? Who are these invaders - super villains who can leap over balconies? Do you even know what a balcony is?

Good, a lot of people think a shotgun spreads 3 feet in a house, at 40 yards it would be around 3 feet in a house 20 to 30 feet it might spread 2 or 3 inches. I also used to duck hunt and I have no sight on my duck gun. I hit what I shoot at. This old saying is a true one "beware of the man with only one gun he may know how to use it". I have one pistol that I have shot for over 40 years and have shocked people shooting snakes, turtles and targets.

I live in SC. I read all the time where the cops miss. Look at the ex cop they were looking for, I think it said they shot over 60 rounds at the wrong truck and wounded two women. Those two cops are lucky to be alive, if that had of happened to me I would have shot back. On the TV show "COPs" they miss at 6 or 7 feet.

only if it is sawed off but then it has no punch just peppers them.

With rifling it will spread, a slug gun would spread the shot at 20 feet. My derringer shoots 410 or 45 Long Colt, with buckshot it's good for a little over 20 feet, I wish it didn't have rifling then the range would be further.

If my posts are so incredulous..., then no one would read them, including you, Dave. But, I support your right to bask in the comfort of self delusion. Few are as blessed as the perpetually "happy idiot."

That's a tried and true defense bailey, but I hope she'll never have to resort to it. However, not to prepare actually invites attacks, like the small and meek mannered child on a playground of bullies. There's no reward in lamenting reality, but there are great rewards in accepting and dealing with it, even if it's only deterrence.

OMGosh! I wonder if Joe has any idea of this...

The pattern from buckshot at 7 yard from a cylinder bore gun is about 6". You can miss with a shotty.

Joe thinks a shotgun spreads four feet in 20 feet, the spread is around 3 feet at 40 yards, both him and a lot of people on this site think a shotgun is safer than an AR15, a shotgun with buckshot will go thru 4 or 5 walls and hit the neighbors house an AR15 in .223 caliber will go thru one wall and brake up in fragments. Joe said to take to shotgun outside and fire it, a shotgun with a slug will go 900 yards and could kill someone if it hit them, Buckshot would go over 100 yards and could kill someone.

With the border problems I'm sure they would shoot better than other States. The police here are taught to fire as soon as the gun clears the holster, that would cause two misses at the start of the fight. I guess they figure that will shake up the bad guy.

I know what SASS is. You don't have border problems like the other States? I personally don't like open carry except on your own land. We have concealed carry and most of the cops are OK with it because the crime rate did drop. So your cops are like the cops that shot up the truck the other day while looking for the ex cop. That would make me nervous.

yeah but the chances are a bit slimmer.

I doubt if she will sense I shot the meth head in the thigh folks stay away from my place.

I had a single shot 410 / 45 for a while just didn't care for it.

I have a single shot 410, last summer I shot a 4 1/2 foot and a 5 foot rattle snake with it. That's about all I'd use it for.