'W' shows President Bush as party animal

Yeah, welcome to current.

No one ever reads the fucking article or does their own research.

What's wrong with humanizing someone? After all, everyone is... well human.

He does go to church. He probably did get saved at one time.

I'm sure there will be enough anti-Bush scenes in the film as well to make you happy.

The film is a fictional account anyway. It's Oliver Stone, not Ken Burns.

Nothing is wrong with humanizing someone, although I find it hysterical that your position now that you knwo the truth.

But a movie like this, whether it is negative or positive for him, is PROPAGANDA if he is -still in office-.

It's utterly ridiculous to make fictional dramatized accounts like this, with the intent of spreading truth and not a political statement, when the events are still happening.

That's my biff.

"Movies have a lot of power over the weak minded."

True, absolutely. But it's not Stone's fault if they're weak minded. Is it that hard for people to watch a fictional movie and know that it's not real? Stone doesn't claim to make documentaries. He claims to make fiction films that reflect his own interpretations of historical persons. Should we really get mad at Stone for the shortcomings of his audience?

So it's wrong to be upset with people who take
advantage?

As I said, more power to Stone, As for me I'm not interested. When it comes to historical bio's I'd rather watch a documentary that has gone to great lengths to get it right. Not fictional accounts.

Again as I said, Stone knows that the majority of people who see his films will come away thinking that what he has presented is factual. With that knowledge he sets out to influence that audience as he sees fit. That is why he chooses films like this so that he can influence the way people think. For me that's just blending too much fiction and politics. But he has a right to do it, I'm not blaming Stone for anything, I do wish the public would be more educated.

If I had a dollar for every time someone tries to tell me about the JFK government conspiracy by telling me to watch the fictional "JFK," I'd have about twenty dollars in my pocket.

According to this great quote people say something is propaganda when it's not their opinion being expressed.

Also....nice subtle statement there about death.

You didn't watch the trailer did you? It will likely be pro-Bush.

And Bush deserves the outrage people have for his administration. He's been an utter failure for this country.

I think you are talking way before he became the decider. He spent the 6 years before screwing Texas up. Did you hear about his dove hunting escapade? He shot a Kildee. Must have been taking lessons from Cheney.

Yes, I did watch the trailer.

And, yes, George W. Bush strikes me as the kind of narcissist who would watch and enjoy a movie based on his own life.

Ok, fact check:
Paul Greengrass directed United 93.
The director of W. is Oliver Stone.
A look back at Oliver Stone's work (Platoon, Wall Street, Natural Born Killers, JFK, Alexander ) makes it hard to seriously consider him a propagandist for the Right. He's more of a chronicler of power.

George W. was given a ‘pass’ for his youthful indiscretions. The ‘pass’ given him during his younger years may have been the catalyst for his indiscretions today, which effects us all. Why should he get a ‘pass’ today? Why kick ‘accountability’ down the road? It’s never tomorrow, its always today! We can wait till tomorrow, but it will always be today, someday.

Historians may condemn us for not acting today? What if history judges our actions as reprehensible? What if history judges us as the ‘move along’ society, ruled by the ‘court of public opinion? The future IS contingent on our actions today. What we do, or don’t do affects the future.

This is Oliver Stone guys. Remember? The guy that made flight 93? What the hell are you guys expecting? Did you even watch the trailer?

This is NOT going to be some deep condemnation of the man, it's a propaganda film to try and restore his legacy.

Not to mention that it's just fucking gross that we're making a fictional movie about a douche that's still in office. No made action movies about WWII DURING WWII or any other event for that matter. And for a good reason.

But I can see that you guys are such fucking tools that you can't see that. You can't see because you're convinced that this is going to be some movie against him, instead of what it really is. Because I guarantee that if you weren't so fucking stupid and realized that this is a movie IN HIS SUPPORT, you would be saying the exact OPPOSITE.

Fucking hypocrites.

I don't care if the movie is for or against him, you don't make fucking Hollywood movies about a CURRENT U.S. president! You wait until he is at LEAST out of office.

Dude, attacks on this asshole can't come soon or fast enough.

Oh my God dude.

Did you read my post?

This is not going to be an attack on him.

For the record, Oliver Stone didn't make "United 93" or "Flight 93". He did however direct "World Trade Center" 2006

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469641/

Though I get your point Saladin. And I agree. This movie is an attempt at humanizing a tyrannical dictator. Giving an emotional platform for people to relate to this man and his family. After all, who doesn't have some disfunction in their family on some level?

This is propaganda and plays to the weak minded democrats and libs so they have something to talk and laugh about at their tree hugging parties. It's a simple attempt at appeasement, that will allow the dems to wrap their thoughts and ideals up in a box that represent that last eight years. So they can say, "we told you so, the guy was a douche bag". It's just Hollywood and the media playing the fiddle again while the masses will feel like they are actually learning something new.

Oliver Stone is a great film maker and I am sure this flick will be entertaining, but I wouldn't bother attempting to ask the meat machines here to actually ask or see why this film is being made. Most people stopped asking "why" when they turned 5 years old.

Actually Saladin, a lot of movies have been made about current events. Charlie Chaplin played a character based on Hitler in 1940's "The Great Dictator." John Wayne starred in the Vietnam War film "The Green Berets" while that war was still being fought. A ton of fictional Iraq films came out in 2007. And that's not to mention "Casablanca," a 1942 film which helped drive the American war effort in WWII.

But history aside, why do you believe that fictional films shouldn't be made about current events?

And those movies, with the exception of the Great Dictator, were propaganda and wrong. That's my issue here.

It's ok to make fictional films about current events if you're trying to make a political statement. The Great Dictator was trying to make a political message about Hitler and it was funny.

But this is doing a fictional biography on a man that it is not only still alive, not only still in public memory and daily news but is still in office!

It's NOT ok to make fictional biographies about someone who is STILL IN OFFICE.

I have a feeling the only reason people are supporting is because they *think* it's anti-Bush, which it's not at all.

I think you're on to something damnneargenius, it would be the best selling porn movie of all time... Bill "The Love Machine" Clinton kind of has a ring to it lol.