Family guy creator claims science is "undervalued and degraded"

Sweeping statement. Not good.

Okay yes, it was a sweeping statement.
I do apologise it was more of a hyperbole than an accurate description.
Not all religious leaders are crazy.
But a lot of religious leaders of many faiths seem to try to make people scared of science and forward motion. Look at creationists. They're all great people as far as I know, but they deny science which has done some great things.

There are great things in bad moments as well as great things in bad people.

To see the good in when you don't agree is true talent. Science is helpful in many respects and, yes, it should be recognized for being such and no one should be so bold to suggest that they have not been and are not helpful.

peter makes homer simposon look like newton. newton the scientist, not the cookie you cooky crackers. This website lacks real culture.

Jesus don't say shit. Jesus is some dead dude.

Seriously. I clicked on this link to see if there was any trace of real news in this article only to get the same feeling I get when I am in need of a laugh and Family Guy happens to be on. Disappointment.

many things where cast as psuedoscience before they became acepted as science. why would you doubt that there are spirits that can fuck with someone mentaly, regardless if in the end it is scientificaly labled as a chemicle, a phycosis, or whatever....the fact is these EXPERIENCES exist. The fact is millions of people report them for centuries. you may make yourself feel good by going to some faggot skeptics website to assure your self that these experiences do not sematicaly equal ghost, but you can never, never, never deny the fact that these experiences happen. stop your CONTEMPORARY DUALISTIC SIMPLISTIC TIGHTLY WOUND mental operating system NOW and upgrade your grey matter. Tough one to swallow, huh? That last jab will allow you a nice strawman if you are the type that wants to respond because you are to narrow to realize your living in a cul de sac. ta ta little man.

"why would you doubt that there are spirits that can fuck with someone mentaly, regardless if in the end it is scientificaly labled as a chemicle, a phycosis, or whatever....the fact is these EXPERIENCES exist"

Experiences existing does not mean that "spirits are fucking with someone." Not even close. If someone is a schizophrenic and they think people are talking to them, that does not mean those people exist.

You are completely outrageous with your assertions as well as your personal attacks on Justin. Just because people have "thought this for centuries" doesn't make anything true or scientifically valuable. People thought the world was flat for centuries, people thought the world was only a few thousand years old, people thought you could remove demons from others. In fact, people still do think those things, and it's fucking scary.

Name me one thing that was "cast as pseudoscience before they became accepted as science". Then look at the James Randi foundation, who is offering a MILLION dollars for proof of supernatural activity, and tell me why no one has collected yet...

...OH YEAH, cause it's bullshit.

lol, you sound like a real artist, delilah. real open. The problem is the experience still happens. I can call it ghosts, wet paint, water slide, monkey shit, or your mom or any combination of words i choose to label it as. The point is: Science can do no better. no worse. I know you think its absolutely insane. because you have been trained to believe that science figured it all out. Science is as close minded as the church my niave little artist friend. People thought that tibetan monks claims at brain wave control where BS until they got off there ass and measured the damm brain waves changes. there are tons and tons of examples, it points to your sheltered upbringing and shy approach to the pursuit of knowledge that you would ask someone else to do your homework for you. so sorry. by the way early science was born out of the so supposably maligned art of alchemey. Newton, your god of science, with more achievments than einstein and the whole crew combined spent the vast majority of his life pouring through occult books and studying the secrets of alchemey. Likewise Pythagoreas, Plato, the list goes on and on. teleporation was considered psuedoscience, now scientists around the world teleport photons....oh shoot, you thought you knew what you where talking about because you thought that the news would tell you if it was important enough. go do some research. try to be an artist with your patheticly eclipsed and contempory slice of a soul. sell it, make a buck or two. Alien abductions reports from millions of people existing for centuries (before space ships where introduced to the mass conciousness it was elves and gnomes and shit) all these encounter experiences mirror almost to a fucking "T" the experience one has on DMT. The human body, let a lone the fucking pineal gland creates DMT on a daily basis. When it leaks you talk to little budha/alien creatures. This is documented by scientists. It happens. Its real. It may be due to a chemicle, but the experience is real. For sure weahter there was actualy a creature there or not it cannot be debated that the experience took place. only a small minded moron tries to derail the experience by running away from the truth and wasting there time discussing weather the alien was a real fleshy matter based creature. You, your face, the boulder, the tree, nothing as as it seems, this both science and semantics 101. where does the tree end...the roots? What about the water being absorbed into the roots, the nutrious dirt, the leaves that detach but then break down and re fertilize. its all arbritray definitions that large discount time and space. so despite what you so unsucessfully tried to TELL ME without one shred of evidence to back it up, these things happen. as you perhaps do not understand the word i used in my original post, i suggest you look up the term semantics. Then tell me what the fuck the definition of epistemology and experience is. then tell me that even though everything you think, sense and understand is related to an intense chemicle reaction in your brain, please go ahead and tell me that all that expereince is totally real (your car, your house, your job) and that any other combination of experience created by altering the chemicle matrix slightly is then fake. It makes no sense. Anyway, there are thousands of books on the occult, and for certain I must tell you that most people that frequent sites and organizations like the JREF or what not would likely have to do10 years of research to even be able to penetrate the first three chapters of someone like Blavatsky or Jung. So sorry. give up now. turn back now. its far, far, far to late for you and your ilk. sell your life style. you already had to the hubris to lable yourself an artist, you might as well ride that one out. The world of the occult is not for you. run.
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and ps, demons most certainly do exist. When you have a 10 year old girl speaking ancient caanite language in coherent sentences and rambling on about specific battles that happened thousands of years ago, you know that this is not a hoax.
PS my name is missionary hunter, so I most certainly will "persoanly attack" those who seek to blind and poison my fellow men, even those who do it out of ignorance and fear like mr. justin Gunn who you felt to inclined to defend. mentaly, physicaly (most likely) and spiritualy he is my lesser. but choosing to spread his ignorance outwards he now becoems someone who must be dealt with. we hunt missionaries. and sell out artists. try harder, please, and don't forget that voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for darkness. snarky little child.

yo missionaryhunter,

Ghosts, spirits, and bumps in the night? The only thing more annoying than some ignorant Xtian speaking out against science is some star struck occultist with tarot cards and astrological signs preaching the gospel of out of body experiences, ghosts and demons. What a total load of crap.

Not to mention the childish threats and gratuitous profanity. All in all the remarks of a rather immature, confused and desperate individual. I suggest counseling, if you are in contact with "spirits" you very well could be in the beginning stages of schizophrenia. Good luck with that.

To missionaryhunter,

A.) No one (or at the very least no one in this discussion) has ever said that science is perfect or has all of the answers. That's the beauty of science; we continually try to find out what we don't know.

B.) Newton lived in a time in which alchemy was considered to be a slightly reputable science. Now it's not because it doesn't work. He may have had excellent insight into the world of physics and created calculus, but he also had bad ideas. Pythagoras may have given us that great theorem, but he also said that he could exist in two different places at the exact same time and that he had a golden right arm. Plato may have written The Republic and other seminal texts in philosophy, but he thought there were only four elements: earth, wind, water, and fire. They were human and did not know any better.

C.) The reason some things are called pseudosciences is because they do not have any verifiable proof to support their claims. Until they are able to produce said proofs, they will be continued to be considered as such. Teleportation has been given some credence in the scientific community because it has been shown to be theoretically possible and can be supported by the math. If other pseudosciences would like to legitimize themselves, they should allow themselves to be tested by numerous outside groups to see if they get the same results as what the pseudoscientists have received. Oh wait, they have and failed on just about every occasion. When they didn't outright fail, they only produced "inconclusive" results, which is to say that the data collected meant nothing. Until their batting averages get better, pseudosciences will stay that way.

D.) When you talk about DMT and its role in making people think that they were abducted by aliens, the two of us are actually in agreement. We diverge from this agreement, however, when you claim the experience these people feel from this hallucination is real. A hallucination is not real by definition. They may be experiencing this hallucination, but they are not actually going through the real experience of being abducted or whatever other experience you would like to posit. Something is real when it has some objective substance to it. I can observe a tree, a rock, a place, etc. because my eyes receive the light that is being reflected off of these objects' surfaces. That light activates photo-receptive cells on my retina to send electrical signals to my brain, which deciphers the data and processes the image. All of this happens without any hallucinatory chemical interfering with the process. I can make that last claim because I would not be able to function at all if a chemical like that were present, and I am doing just dandy in the sight department right now, and so are billions of other people. I can verify my experience of seeing a tree and other things by having numerous (not just one or two) people who are sober try to see if they can experience what I did. If they can see the tree, and if there's nothing like a lack of light or something obstructing the view to physically prevent them from doing so, then my experience is confirmed. If they can't, I was "just seeing things". I may have only seen a blur that resembled a tree, say from turning my head too quickly. I may have had the experience of thinking I saw something, but in reality, I did not experience anything truly real.

E.) "10 year old girl speaking ancient caanite". Citation followed up by verification, please.

F.) Please do not use ad hominem attacks. It does not advance your argument, and it makes your position seem less reasonable and credible.

Thank you, and have a good day.

but ad hominem is so much fun. I'm not here to advance any argument.
you should look inward. you WILL discover the secret fruits of alchemey and the mysterious path if you practice and study hard. beyond all the rest I suggest that you are most likely right in your whole alphabet of retorts, with the exception of E. Still, however, your words are falling on deaf ears. my only purpose was to rock the boat. With any luck young Delilah will be changed for life. or not.
Source of the caaninite speaking child: Its either father Martin Malakai or more likely this guy named Markides...you can google search him under the magus of strobalos or something. I'm at work so I don't have my copy at hand. Have a nice day and never try to talk sense to somebody on the otehr side of the looking glass. They will only agree with you in a slightly mocking way.

As for the other girl....who said anything about Tarot...or bumps in the night? New age freak.

Delilah, I used to be very close to a guy who was schizophrenic. I'd like to see you try to tell him the voices he heard in his head weren't real. Just because they aren't real to YOU doesn't mean they aren't real to HIM. What we sense, we perceive to be real... therefore, someone who is schizophrenic, hallucinating on psychadelic drugs, etc. sees or senses these things, they are real to them. To those people, it is not an experience, it is their reality. It doesn't become an "experience" unless they're done going through it; that makes schizophrenia akin to a skiing vacation or a visit to a museum, rather than a difficult battle. People with schizophrenia dont say, "oh, wow, what an awesome experience that was!"

Like missionary said, do your own research. Just because current is an awesome site doesn't mean there aren't other, more reputable sources of info out there, and NO, I do NOT mean cnn, fox, abc, or whatever. Would you rather eat crap or filet mignon? Oh wait, you're an "artist," so are you a vegetarian, too? Doesn't feel nice to be generalized, does it?

awesome, now I am a Scitzo....hate to say but far from it...or possibley 100% if you get into the whole genius and insantiy line. So sad to see that people are so contemporary and brainwashed these days by freudian pontifs. Who really cares, your all looking for hope in the form of a return to a nostalgic safe past. The very fabric of time and space is currently being wound so tightly around the gyre that when it finally snaps YOU will be the dry corn stalks snapping in the storm, Others will be much more prepared to deal with it all, especialy those who have looked and worked within, especialy those who are fluid when it comes to idealogy, language, epistemology, chi, bone marrow, etc....the concept is deep and organic so I should hardly get mad at you all for being confused and angry and argumentive. All I can say is that many of these things can be proved experientaly, to the self. You should read some of the billions of pages of research supporting these theories instead of wasting your time vainly and helplessly pouring over the same twenty pages offered up by science to repeadedly and without modification or imaginion debunk what we all know to be the truth the closer one gets to the root. Your just hanging out to far up the stem. ta ta...Also never forget that metaphoricly my user handle / avatar will hunt you all down like dogs. Missionary hunter bitches. LOL LOL LOL.

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I'm also a nerd and very analytical when it comes moves and such. I watch Mythbuster a lot too. I’m always saying “that can’t really happen the Mythbusters tested it.” (:

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I always say the "Out Peter" before I go to bed. lol