"the world according to monsanto."

who are you? everyone here is uses a pseudonym...and serioiusly, is that a threat? dont get all defensive because i pop on a friendly website and poke holes in your arguments, find a way to back up what you are saying or shut up...

and a friendly word of advice...its going to do you and your whole movement a lot more good if you quit talking like you are the leader of a cult..."speaking from my soul"? "identify yourself to the current..."? apparently ras menelik is tougher than grower...maybe, i dont know who you are, frankly i dont care. i never heard of this site until today when it was mentioned on drudge....i thought it might be fun to check out a site owned by a group of multi million and billionaire liberals...guess i was right...good night all! its been fun...some of us have to work tomorrow...

yes, i have eaten soy right out of the pod, field corn off the cob too...as i stated above, if you consume glyphosate it isnt good for you, nor is gasoline, or paint, or 6 gallons of water...all are toxic IF YOU DRINK THEM! let me put a disclaimer on here: DO NOT DRINK ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL, LATEX PAINT, GASOLINE, HYDROGEN PEROXIDE, PRINTER TONER. IT WILL CAN KILL YOU IF YOUDRINK IT.

if youve read my posts above, im addressing a larger issue, roundup and monsanto are a good excuse to get into this today. you'll see me again when ag business, production ag, ag/environment, issues come up.

seriously, if you are willing to leave emotion out the discussion, most ag bussinessman, farmers, ranchers will give you honest answers to your questions. but i think we all have to be able to see the other's point of view here...

I'm afraid that notion has been denied to you ,28 years of global gmo seeding has left ALL soy.cotton,& corn at the least have been transgenicaly contaminated.

Add to this all the other transgenic GMOs tested and you basically need to find a brand new source of nutrition or you will be extinct just like the bees....I mean Dinosaur!

may I suggest Hemp oil & fiber.Teff grain,& Baobab fruit in the interest of survival of the spices.

Thanks. That was a great post, it's always good to hear another angle.

No, sorry, you are wrong. We don't need GMOS to feed the world. We need for the World Bank and other organizations to stop using speculation and fear to drive up food prices and for governments to stop paying huge subsidies to farmers to grow corn which floods the market just to produce ETHANOL for all of their caring about feeding people. We need local sustainable agriculture that preserves the soil and biodiversity, which is actually the way farming was and should be. And where did you see anyone on this site blame a farmer for poisoning anything? It is the huge companies like Monsanto that pollute the environment through deception. I suppose you think Agent Orange and PCBS are safe too. And studies have shown that Round Up IS dangerous to humans, and is even rated a two on the EPAs scale of toxicity, one being most lethal. You can try to spin it all you wish, but the evidence is out there. It is BECAUSE many of us care for what companies like Monsanto are doing to the livelihoods of farmers and the biodiversity of this planet with their monocrops that we WILL stand up to them. Also, if Round Up was so safe, Monsanto wouldn't have been sued for lying on their label that it is biodegradable, bribing officials in Indonesia and Canada, and suing farmers like Percy Schmeiser by accusing them of using their seeds when it is was their transgenic contamination blowing onto organic farms. You don't sue farmers for growing food if you care about them. And I have a college education too. What does that prove?

what Jan said.

But seriously, I was researching your statements about the glyphosphate from Roundup and I think what you are referring to is that animals do not have the pathway that its shown to inhibit. That does not translate into harmful if absorb. I'd have to do more research on it but from the lawsuits, Roundup aint nothing I wanna touch to see if it's gonna kill me. With evidence of bribery and lack of safety, you cant honestly expect people to believe in the products or mission of Monsanto much less any other corporation.

where to begin...

agent orange? when is the last time that was used? i mean legally. im sure that somewhere there are stockpiles or leftovers from the vietnam era, but im pretty sure it has been banned in pretty much any nation that has a regulatory system.

monocrops? what are those? if you are refering to molecular insertion of traits, i would like to know which traits are harmful and how...im talking approved commercial traits, not something that isnt out there for production.

"local sustainable agriculture that preserves the soil and biodiversity"...? tell that to the folks in a drought stricten african country that cant grow anything, tell that to the guy that lives in inner city detroit and has no room for a garden nor does he have an extra $50/month to go to Whole Foods (not to mention a car to get him 20 miles to the suburbs to get to Whole Foods), here's a scenario: houston texas has 6 million people, can we feed all of them on locally grown southeast texas produce and animals? maybe we extend to louisianna...that wouldnt have worked so well a few years ago. "thats ok" you say "ship it in from oklahoma and kansas for a few months, until things get back to normal in texas" that isnt local. oh yeah, and oklahoma and kansas only grew enough for themselves. the growing season in south texas and LA runs until about November but you really cant plant crops after june because the heat kills them...so where do they get their food? how local is that?

i like fresh produce. i like local meat. lets be realistic. how big of a garden would a family of 5 have to have to sustain them for a year? we need commercially produced grain, meat and produce to feed a world that demands more and more food. we cannot do that without developing varieties of grains, breeds of livestock, and varieties of vegitables that produce more on less land, less water, less soil nutrients. we passed our point of diminishing returns on ag acerage in the 90's, now we must find a way to produce more food or go hungry...

as far as ethanol is concerned, i dont think corn is the best source, but for now its what we have. when you take into account the amount of by-product that replaces corn in animal feed, sweetners, fertilizers etc. the amount of corn taken away from food production is very little in tems of total production...

It is the farmers of Africa (and many other countries) who want NOTHING to do with Monsanto or GMOS. This so called food crisis corporations and other organizations are now using and in part perpetrating for profit is not about lack of food but access to it. Look at the video above from Dr. Shiva to get the truth. And please, what is a monocrop? If you don't know the answer to that you aren't what you claim to be. Who were you here before you posted today? You think we don't know that Monsanto has plants out all over the Internet to do damage control? Oh, and "corn is all we have" to make biofuels? You can't be serious. Or maybe you are, since your paycheck depends on it. And I mentioned Agent Orange and PCBS for a purpose. Don't sit there and tell me Glyphosate is not poisonous. Monsanto doesn't make anything else.

paranoid much? are you really saying that someone cannot disagree on the grounds that they have a different opinnion?

i never said corn is all we have to make ethanol out of so please dont quote me, i said "for now it is what we have"...biofuel of any kind takes a huge infrasturcture to produce, transport, store, blend, develop by product, etc. I believe that by the time we can begin using sugar, sugar beets, bio mass, soy, whatever, we will see an advent of new energy in the form of hydrogen, wind, solar, or something else...

before i posted this i was someone who is concerned about a very real threat of food shortage. i am out here everyday, in the middle of america, quite literally in the corn and soybean fields. i am in the feedlots, and yes, i am in the offices of ag buisiness. i agree, availablity is a huge issue as well. what good is food if you cant get it where it needs to go? you want to trade seeds and produce with your neighbor? Great! i encourage you too, i do the same thing in nebraska with fresh chickens, and tomatos, and cucumbers every year. so what? what about the folks who dont care if they are eating trait enhanced foods? what about those that understand sound science has proven there is no risk? you are trying to shut down our ability to provide for our world...

im not a "monsanto plant" and im not sent here for "damage control". in fact, i would encourage you to show as many of the above films on major networks as you can. the more you show that stuff, the more often we can have an actual debate about what goes into creating a food supply for the world. the biggest thing ag business has going against it is a lack of an educated public in how our food system really works. i dont like monsanto, but better the devil you know than the one you dont...the one we dont is world wide famine and starvation, the result of which WILL make the plague of the dark ages look like chicken pox in a kindergarten classroom...

oh, and i looked up monocrop...sorry, in production we call it continuous crop, or short rotation, or 2/3 crop rotaiont, or corn after corn (if it is, in fact, corn). so yes i know what monocrop is however it is a term ive never heard in my region....

IDENTIFY your self Nobody will talk to you till you deal with yours truly.............

don't bother with another plant!

way to debate...

Anyone who defends Round Up is a plant, simple as that. Your LIVING (if you are indeed who you claim to be) depends on supporting a poison that has now been linked to brain cancer in children. Don't know about that either? Yes, I bet there is much you don't really know. And please, you keep repeating the same PR talking point about starvation. If Monsanto's monocrops fail because the bacteria in the seeds used to invade the cells which was not tested down the line mutates and fails the crops (which has happened already in India) THEN we are looking at worldwide famine. The world cannot live on BT corn and soy alone. There is more than enough REAL food in this world to eat. Between this country and Britain alone we throw out MILLIONS OF TONS of it. So don't sit there trying to make people think you care about people in Africa who are starving. It isn't convincing anyone. It is about PROFIT plain and simple.

Again, it is not amount, but ACCESS to food, and the fact that World Bank/IMF/WTO policy has led many countries in Africa to starving because they have taken away their traditional crops in lieu of forcing them to grow flowers and insignificant items to feed the needs of the West (including corn for ethanol that has now exacerbated climate change by clearing huge swaths of land in the Amazon and other areas of South America) while leaving the little bit of land they have left to growing food which then goes up in price because of food speculation thus causing people who actually grow it not to be able to afford it.

Independent study after study has already proven that organic is better for the soil, better for the environment and yields, healthier, and more cost effective. They have also been posted here. I would if I were you then avail myself of reading something besides company talking points.
Have a nice day whoever you are.

funny, the mutation you refer too actually works for what you are talking about. in fact, i noticed this morning that there is a story about sueing seed cleaners...that is why they are sueing seed cleaners...do you really think that monsanto is worried about a mom and pop seed cleaner in butler county kansas that cleans 5000 bags of soybeans/year? it isnt for competition,it is to preserve the integrity of the science created. but i digress...

it works like this: the mutation refered too is more like a recession of traits through genereation. look at it this way, 1st gen=strong 2nd gen=strong 3rd gen=less strong 4th gen=less etc. It is because there are certain inhibitors, cellular and molecular safeguards and so forth that allow the normal reproductive phases of a plant (thats how we get food) but if plants are allowed to pollinate unchecked and then the offspring (seed) are allowed to be grown for food and pollinated with less expressed genes or traits, it weakens the traits expression. it is essentially natural selection. the problem is that this natural selection also works the opposite way in noxious weeds. some plants have a NATURAL resistence to glyphosate and other chem. over time they can use natural selection to develop immunity. result=roundup is useless on them. part of this is the result of seed cleaners developing (inadvertently) impure glyphosate tolerant traits, part of it is misuse in the early years by farmers and chem operators, part of it is simply nature. the best way to avoid it: rotate your crops. corn/soy/corn, soy/wheat/soy, corn/wheat/soy, etc. i will post on the cleaner article too...

as far as profitability from organic...every operation is different. i have partners that have a really hard time making any profit in a high input year like last year was, and i have partners that make great profits. we are talking 1200-10000 acres of farmland. size is not a derterminat factor, marketing is. i do have organic clients, some are successful, some are not. there are also arguments to be made on soil health. organic farming does pose problems with nitrate management in some areas because of the lack availiable manure and compost. these guys have to take what they get sometimes and it can be way too high in phos, nitrogen, magnesium, etc. or way too low, resulting in the choice between staying organic or adding a micro nutrient supplement to make enough money for the year.

i agree, man cannot survive on corn and soy alone, and we dont. fact is, its pretty hard to grow lettuce, tomatos, and other produce north of a certain line. it can be done, but only for a short time and in limited quantities. 200 bu/ac corn is a much more resonable crop...the native americans were growing large quatities (relatively speaking) 150 years ago in illinois, iowa, nebraksa etc. why is it wrong for us to grow it?

lastly, i already agreed on the issue of availability. im not denying that africa, asian, east europe etc. need better infrasturcture to get food to their people. that isnt a west vs. east thing...that is a UN thing, that is a localized thing. in the meantime, why should be quit produding food? i personaly know a number of folks from the great plains and midwest that have gone to east europe, africa, asia to teach better growing techniques in accordance with local customs and wishes. ideas like how to properly irrigate, harvest, plant, prepare soil, store, market grain. nothing had to do with chem production unless those groups requested it.

thats a sweet poster!

Dear God...

We're not afraid. We're asleep. "A nation of sedated, tabloid robots" (to borrow a quote from Jelo Biafra)

That name sounds familiar ( Jello Biafia ) do read High Times...........

Let's shoot more people to get aboard the organic train of life, and boycott monsanto products.....instead of spraying pull your weeds or study to be sure that the plant is not a wildflower................

I say throw the criminal corporations out and take back our country.