Why America is flunking science

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."

John F. Kennedy [on darwinian evolution =P jk!!! lmao]

"The greater our knowledge increases the more our ignorance unfolds."

John F. Kennedy

=) these guys? debate? heh. they barely entertain simple argument for all the crying (outside appeals, ad hominem, etc. for which I particularly "gleefully" requite to pukem). The truly Christian significance is that Peter states that in the last days men will DELIBERATELY "forget" that God created the world (2 Pet. 3:5). "...in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which says...this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I [God] should heal them." (Matt.13:14-15)

And then Romans 1:28 says 'And even as they did not LIKE (forget the honest evidence!) to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.' I find today's secular-evolutionist religion/attitude to be much like that in spirit. Inevitably anyway, many of their own findings beg explicitly Creationist questions, like the 'discovery' of the big bang, where before even Newton relied on an infinite universe (And God said let there be light...there's your Big Bang) but so many don't want to acknowledge it plainly for false pride and ongoing stupidity, and it's not because the evidence isn't there...they DELIBERATELY "forget" it, disacknowledge it. They are the new hypocrits: straining at a gnat to swallow a camel, because they know they don't have a defense, and they really don't want you to know Christians find more meaning in science than anyone else =P

I like how Denton plainly puts it in "Beyond the Reach of Chance": "If complex computer programs cannot be changed by random mechanisms, then surely the same must apply to the genetic programs of living organisms. The fact that systems in every way analogous to living organisms cannot undergo evolution by pure trial and error [i.e., by mutation and preservation] and that their functional distribution invariably conforms to an improbable discontinuum comes, in my opinion, very close to a formal disproof of the whole Darwinian paradigm of nature. By what strange capacity do living organisms defy the laws of chance which are apparently obeyed by all analogous complex systems?" =D =D =D

It's a valid SCIENTIFIC question the evolutionist religion doesn't "LIKE" to hear. It was Huxley, an evolutionist, who gave the odds of the horse "evolving" at 10^3,000,000, which is another absurdity when you consider there are less than 10^80 atoms in the entire universe. Evolution, without any doubt, clearly, mathematically, scientifically, practically, and most of all, intelligently, is so beyond any probable chance to be true. The real fact is more simple: evolution IS a lie. A dream for fakers and anti-Christian haters who charade their own religious beliefs as "intelligence" evidenced in such wonderful "tolerance" for even very REAL, MUCH more mathematically viable "diverse" possibilities. =D At least biblical Christianity isn't trying to be a panacea. It's not exactly en vogue to "love your enemies" or to "pick up your cross and follow Me." It just is, while embedded in evolution is the aimlessly absurd suicidal Copernican mediocrity that excuses all unique privileges mankind enjoys (emotion, thought and consciousness, communication, freewill) as "one-off" flukes and "stokes of 'blind' (how apt) luck" even when their own god Chance itself stands profoundly against it. They play on ignorance, and hope you'll never know it...

Healthy debate is the human way . No other creature talks like us !

Man, you guys like to argue.

youre missing my point... as it seems you usually do.

Is there still life in that old lady yet? =D and is a mule supposed to be "evidence" of this bullshit, you call evolution? You only think you hang by a thread, but you're in free fall fool. I'll have you know it was Balaam's ass that had more sense to recognize danger than he [Balaam] did. The same applies to you. If mules can't even make mules, then what good is your flippin "theory"? Horses do not of a natural course procreate with donkeys and donkeys do not naturally procreate with horses and when they do, you yourself know it only proves yet ANOTHER DEAD end for the characteristic lifelessness of "evolution" that you're too innurred to institutionalized stupidity to recognize. You need to earnestly ask more intelligent questions to escape the shit storm they confuse you with. *shrug* just mho

in reply to echo's comment on the farmer crossing pigs and getting pigs..

if you cross a donkey and horse, a completely new animal is created. even mules cant make mules, yet.

As you interestingly quoted the book Job, so shall I. Chapter 40 verses 6-8:

"Then the Lord spoke to Job from the storm: 'Be strong, like a man! I will ask you questions, and you must answer me. Would you say that I am unfair? Would you blame me to make yourself look right?'"

I feel like Lestat: "Oh Louis, Louis. Still whining Louis. Have you heard enough? I've had to listen to that for centuries."

If I was wrong I'm sure you'd have more than attitude to show how the very fact, forgive me...the LAW, rather, that every system breaks down, even helps evolution in the least. The realities are stacked heavily against "evolution" and there's nothing you can do about it but bemoan the ubiquitous stupidity of it, where you have neither defense nor legitimate come back. And yes, what about those bats, the playtpus, and the hippos? I quoted in another thread, as one farmer so aptly put: "Mister, when I cross pigs, I get pigs. Not horses and cats and dogs." It's just that obvious that everything reproduces according to its DESIGN. If it wasn't for a general coherence in the obvious design that does actually exists embedded in the world everywhere you look, because you miraculously can presume a RATIONAL universe without thinking about it (maybe God is victim of His own success? lol), and not this chaotic haphazzard bullshit of UNVERIFIABLE macroevolution "conjecture" nobody's ever witnessed, etc., you wouldn't know to recognize anything around you! It's not God jumping through hoops. He knows what HE'S doing too well, and we're barely catching on. It's evolution, dodging those hoops, if you could say it even jumps...I think it more actually lays there dead, until...someone like you dares to pick it up without perhaps first having entertained its criticisms simply for your own safer dogmatic view of actually uneducated life, and nonetheless exhuberantly, like Lestat in "Interview with the Vampire", dancing around with the corpse of it, singing "AH! There's still some life in the old lady yet!" [and she's obviously dead as a door nail! lol]

People always look at things from their own world view, but true thinkers try to be objective even to doubt their doubts and prove their OWN beliefs, something I see you hardly engage in. But even so, just because critical scientific findings beg religious implications you may or may not like, doesn't mean they aren't actual realities we experience every single day: life, self, consciousness. Freewill. The universe is best explained with a Creator. Even cosmology itself deals a heavy blow when we now know the universe is finite: it's hard to resist the temptation to God knowing the universe had a beginning First Cause... Don't think too hard about what you really believe because you might convert yourself =P lol

Pray tell. what do you believe? have you really thought about it, or have you just accepted it as presented?

Ahhh the "Violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics" argument...that requires a complete and total lack of comprehension of the actual law. And we must not forget the wonderful term "kind". So is a bat a mammal or a bird? What about a platypus? Why is the closest genetic relative to a whale...the hippo? Why must you make God jump through hoops to create your reality just for you...in the most ridiculous fashion possible?

'nukem, pardon my replying here, I don't see your response posted on this page yet, for some reason, but I'll quote you in the absence:

1) "Goose bumps serve a purpose...shows a link to when our physiology was different than it is today." (how the fuq did you get to "evolution is not about creation?" lol)

How does it "show" our physiology is any different, if we always had them and yet still get them? You seem to be asking why "evolution" is so deficient for it's supposed efficacy, to wit, since we don't have as much hair (hypothetically, because we can't know, for the moment, assuming/giving that in the past we were as hairy as a damn monkey and are somehow continuing to mysteriously bald), why does "evolution" insist we still get goosebumps? (while implying that if God did it, he can't be that smart lol) =) I hate all that tergiversating BULL shit. Simply, as you tout the "glories" of genetics, there is nothing in DNA to resolutely assume that our physiology is any drastically different than in the past. There are no triggers for anything different than what we see. In fact the law of thermodynamics would insist that the only normal variations we have are mutations which quite normally disease and they never add any new information to work with, such as information that would allow DNA to construct new limbs, etc. What we do see is variation within kind, as expected. That phantom "script writer" for "evolution" to make new creatures is still the wet-dream of fools we're supposed to take as fact. But moreover, even simply given any function, I'm tempted to ask who decides efficacy and to whose satisfaction? "intelligent" natural selection (better termed preservation)? Well, I can see that survival is not limited exclusively to the fittest in all circumstances. It is not a pervading law in every competitive circumstance. Many live to tell and reproduce again. And natural "selection" (ahem) rather natural preservation continues only to preserve what already exists and "evolution" again cannot be charged with such creative "phantom" powers of eons of time you don't even have. But because we as humans can be as easily moved to chronic dissatisfaction by way of insisting on our own satisfaction, we can easily place ourselves in our own box, a negative feedback loop, if you will... not my problem.

2) As it stands now, humans have no decerable [?desirable? *shrug*] use of the [jacobsons] organ today. The question...if we were designed by a creator...why would he have a link to other mammals included in our physiology?

A rehash. The controversial jacobsons claim isn't the best way to arrive at the question but I'll entertain it. Why reinvent the wheel? The Christian faith says all creation was created for His good pleasure. That God made each to reproduce according to its kind. And that's exactly what we continue to see. All creation is the provenance of God, and when He finished pronouncing His work "very good", it finished. That's why we don't see "new" creatures spontaneously generating, just dying out, for original sin and the curse on all the world it brought.

3) this chronic contention of yours: "Evolutionary Theory doesn't even pretend to explain how life was initially created." Well what is it good for then? Start providing some of your own answers. How can evolution possible explain the nature and existence of DNA? =) You allege dishonesty simply for not quoting this "13 billion years" because there still isn't enough time for evolution to get its shit together? lol reminds me of that monkey theory put to the test by the British National Council of Arts. =P lmao

....I'll get back to you when I have more time =) have a good day!

echoz- I appreciate your comments.
Couple of things real quick.
1) Evolution says nothing about the creation of life.
2) Genetics firmly and completely supports evolution.
3) Quoting a single philosopher while disusing biology makes as much sense as quoting a plumber.
4) Comparing evolution over many generations to that of a man getting old is...well wrong and infantile. This shows that you do not possess the necessary understanding to even have a meaningful debate.
5) I am flat footed so I know exactly what it is like to walk around with one. This is due to a genetic condition passed down from my parents. Or I guess original sin or something...
6) If we are going to use bible quotes...
Job 13:5 (New International Version)
"If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom." -this is meant to be a little joke and I hope I do not offend you.
7)While many people do not need to get their wisdom teeth pulled, there is a tremendous amount of data that shows that genetic background plays a huge role. Isolated ethnic populations show varying degree of wisdom teeth impaction.
8) For a rather amazing read, I suggest Dr Kenski's amazing research "Long Term e-coli Study". It is utterly fascinating and will help explain to you why animals threatened today can not suddenly adapt to an environment that is rapidly changing.
9) To be clear, the vast majority of all life that has been on this planet has been long extinct before man ever showed up. Species go extinct all the time.
10) Your mentioning of physics to somehow confer that the age of the universe does not support evolution...well, that is silly. You are comparing to separate fields of study that have no real direct relationship. Furthermore, you are highly disingenuous by failing to mention that current models for the age of the universe is between 14.5 and 15 billion years. That's a lot of time for something to happen.
11) Just to reiterate, evolution says and has NOTHING to do with the creation of life.
12) Using a quote from a man that hasn't been alive since 1882 while debating the merits of modern biology is ...well rather insipid. Prior to the discovery of genetics, his views had actually fallen out of favor among scientist. Yet thanks to genetic testing, the microscope, hell...test tubes...Darwin has been proven right with all of the data thus far.
13) I think you need to just take a little time and actually read what the theory of evolution actually states and why it is universally supported by the evidence. I am not trying to sound rude, but judging from your comments, I do not think you understand even the most basic underlying machinations we are trying to discuss.
14) The secular comment is rather insulting. The Roman Catholic Church, you know...the largest one, that actually employs the Vicar of Christ...yeah we support evolution. I pity those like yourself that have turned the message of Christ love into a heathen display of ignorance and an excuse to attack reason. Many intelligent and pious brethren have served not only Christ our lord, but also humanity. Gregory Mendel comes distinctly to mind. But I guess it is easier to use religion to mask idiocy...

A treat for you deformed "Darwinians" and you twisted "evolutionists" I have:

Charles Darwin in HIS own words:

[Reason tells me of the] EXTREME difficulty or rather IMPOSSIBILITY OF CONCEIVING THIS IMMENSE AND WONDERFUL UNIVERSE, including man with his capability of looking far backwards and far into futurity, AS THE RESULT OF BLIND CHANCE OR NECESSITY. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analgous to that of man; and I DESERVE TO BE CALLED A THEIST." --CHARLES DARWIN (emphasis mine) [reference: Charles Darwin, "The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882" ed. Nora Barlow (London: Collins, 1958), pages 92-3]

now whose "truths" are you listening to? Who's natural laws do we abide by? Darwin's as we've been told? Play the secular game if you must, I say again, but believe and have faith for better things. It's promised that even if we only have faith the size of a mustard seed we will at least have the potential to do amazing things. There is a God, make no mistake. Don't fall for the bitter empty nihilism of "evolutionary" bullshit. It tends to a retarding effect on our kids in school ;)~

6) Wisdom teeth: Removing your wisdom teeth may be common but it's not a law of nature, nor always medically necessary: "Dentists cannot fully explain why wisdom teeth impaction happens in some mouths but not others. Some suggest a correlation between large teeth crowding and impaction..." Many people, certainly enough to be somewhat "utilitarian", are quite happy to keep them for missing teeth.

7) Why would God do this third eye lid thing? There is a scripture that quotes God as saying "Does the pot ever say to the potter 'why did you make me thus so?'" =) I'd say I'm happy he didn't make me to walk around blinking like a reptile or a slow-moving "calabar angwantibo" =) but patently rather decidely DNA makes everything the way it has been generally preconceived, DESIGNED, to be. And there is never any NEW information introduced to make for completely new creatures, with new abilities to respond to existing phenomenon/energy. I often wonder why, if evolution were actually so accomodating, we don't see evidence of it on the endangered species list. They simply die out before the myth of evolution has a chance to do shit. Evolution is rubbish.

8) The organ of the appendix: There is a "strong case" for the higher purpose for the appendix, my friend. "The lowly appendix may have a purpose after all.

New research suggests that the seemingly useless organ provides a safe haven for good bacteria to hang out in the gut.

Although the study stops short of providing direct proof of this proposed purpose for the appendix, researchers say there's a strong case to be made for the appendix based on new information about the role of bacteria in intestinal health.

"While there is no smoking gun, the abundance of circumstantial evidence makes a strong case for the role of the appendix as a place where the good bacteria can live safe and undisturbed until they are needed," researcher William Parker, PhD, assistant professor of experimental surgery at Duke University Medical Center, says in a news release.... [ http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/news/20071012/appendix-may-have-purpose ]

Science seems to point all to design and purpose, doesn't it, even when you dare to question the meaning of things. We all have questions ;) It's good to question. But better to be willing to receive honest answers and "follow the evidence where it leads."

pukemnukem, don't weep for reduxed evolution:
1) Why are there "goosebumps"? =D wow. it sounds peevish. Do they bother you or what? you are interested in teleology it seems... I personally think it's just so I can plainly see when my girlfriend REALLY needs a little warmth ;) But I would think things get a little "hairier" when you ask deeper questions of the "mere" existence of the "mind" as separate from the mindless dumb matter composing it. How do we achieve the existence of self, freewill, or the mystery of consciousness itself, or the miraculous underlying rationality and undeniable symmetries of the universe such that we can logically understand it and ourselves in it (within the limits of logic)? Considering purpose as you seem to appreciate (ala "...it serves no purpose...") I'm sure many things are common just so that they are commonly understood and appreciated. Why does everyone have eyes? Blind people get along well enough, it seems, yet we do not see them reproducing blind kids either at any level of "evolution". There is consistency that spits in the face of evolution. Christians believe the world and everything in it was made for God's good pleasure until someone decided they would try to believe a better idea...sin...MY own way, and YOUR own way, so to speak.

2) "Jacobson's organ": I'm not sure I buy into that "uselessness" theory. You allege the same "stuff" about the appendix...etc. ah... here we go--"some people may have at least a partially functioning Jacobson's organ, but other researchers consider only a fully functioning Jacobson's organ as counting as having one, so these results are CONTROVERSIAL." [emphasis added] (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-jacobsons-organ.htm). ALSO: Female sexuality may be modified by olfactory and auditory thresholds...[ http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B82YG-4SVKMMG-5M&am... ] so there is potential use.

3) You talk about DNA like DNA itself doesn't rip a fuqn HUGE-ass hole in evolution. How did self-reproduction originate? ;) In the words of converted theist former-atheist Antony Flew "it's the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements" [along with the astounding subtleties in how they work TOGETHER] that defies chance, and clearly shows the OBVIOUS work of intelligence--that converted him. Incidentally, he had NO religious experience/conversion whatsoever...he's simply followed the scientific evidence where it leads. Don't miss the forest for the leaf of some weed. Some try to cite abiogeneses but, again, physicists' present view shows the supposed age of the universe provides "too little time" for these theories to credibly develop at all.

4) Cat's ears eh? =) Well, I have a cute cat. She's pretty, my pretty sister told me so =) but, in same spirit, why do aging men have a dick that doesn't just shrivel up into a more useful "utilitarian" hole especially when they can't use that muscle anymore? =P Would you, the utilitarian, honestly complain? =)

5) That plantarus tendon: used for grasping things? heh...of little importance? Vestigial? You mentioned surgeons simply relocate it, not remove it. And what if I cared to merely bend my foot for traction, as when hiking or rock climbing? It may not be life-threatening, like the loss of one of your eyes (why two when one works sufficient "enough" for sight unless there was a better ultimate idea and purpose to explicitly two...) You may deem it of little importance but I bet walking so flat footed for a time you would learn to miss it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSk3OIrhDfA

This is a great documentary describing the history of the American school system and where and when it failed.

It is produced by LPAC. If you have a certain prejudice to watching anything from LPAC, then you really have no right to comment on this video or this organization.

Schools should be teaching young male students to take Passion Flower as it will prevent today's AMERICAN DIET from breaking down their testosterone into female estrogen... that was done to Americans to make sure women would have large breasts. The destruction coming to young men is being CAUSED not just happening.

Tell students stuff that matters => http://tinyurl.com/6k2wkd

Schools spend far too much time worrying about matters politically correct, are the muslims offended by the baloney sandwich, global warming, climate change, did someone just God and guess who's coming to diversity day? Eliminate the federal department of education from whose establishment can be traced the decline of American education then refund the wasted money to parents. Let parents choose the schools they wish as is their responsibility and right. When the government schools must compete, they will then improve.
Education has become more indoctrination and social engineering focused rather than on education. As such many kids can well voice an opinion yet know little about which they opine. They have not been instructed, truly educated, in critical thinking. Schools need to discard the contentious social engineering topics and let parents address them as they see fit.

Wow...I want to weep for this country....If man did not evolve...can someone explain the following things to me:

1) Goosebumps. This is a common feature that all hair covered mammals share. When cold or frightened, we get them. Its the same reason cats stand their hair up in the same situations. Assuming God made us as we currently are why do we do this as not having a heavy coat of hair, it serves no real purpose?

2) Jacobson's Organ. Basically this is a useless organ that is found on all mammals that is used to smell when an opposite member of a species is in heat. Since we can verbally communicate, this organ no longer works. Yet we still have it.

3) Junk DNA. Assuming God made us in his image, he did it in a rather inefficient manner to say the least. But Junk DNA isn't useless at all to science as it shows exactly were we deviated from other animals. It literally tells us where certain genes were switched off in our evolution. In fact, it serves to provide a detailed blueprint on how not only man, but all animal and plant life evolved simultaneously.

4) Our extra ear muscles. Some people can still articulate their ears very slightly but it serves no purpose. This is a characteristic for many mammals such as cats in hunting prey. As we have developed, our ear muscles have gone away as they are no longer necessary.

5)The Plantaris Muscle in the foot. About 9% of people are now born without this muscle and it is commonly removed by doctors for reconstructive surgeries to other muscle groups. Its a muscle in the foot that is use to grasp things. Since we no longer live in the trees, the muscle has apostrophized, but again, this shows a common link to our fellow mammals.

6) Wisdom Teeth. I, like many people I knew in the Navy, had to get my wisdom teeth ripped out for sea duty. Why? As humans have advanced, we no longer eat the diet of mostly hard plants that required large and powerful jaws. Now are jaws are getting smaller and smaller while the number of teeth in our mouths stay the same. This is why more and more people need their wisdom teeth pulled. Why would god give us too many teeth?

7)Most birds, reptiles, amphibians, and fish have a protective third eyelid that is clear. Mammals do not for the most part. But even us humans still have the remnants of the third eye lid. Calabar angwantibo is the only known mammal that still has a working one.
Why would god give us this residual lid part?

8) Appendix. The only thing the damn thing does now is get inflamed but scientist believe it used to serve a purpose when again, we consumed mostly fiber in our diet. Why would god give us an organ that only serves to risk out life with an infection?

But I guess one could look at these and ignore them. The ultimate proof of evolution from the natural world, in my eye's at least, is the Flavobacterium. In 1975 Japanese researchers discovered that these little buggers could digest certain byproducts of Nylon 6. Nylon wasn't invented until WWII. Nature on its own, has created a microscopic organism that can consume an unnatural, human developed product. There is no other possible explanation for this other than evolution.In the lab, scientist have been able to induce Pseudomonas aeruginosa to evolve the capability to breakdown those same products by forcing them to evolve in an environment with no other food sources. In a very real sense, they simply forced evolution to take place in a lab. From this, they have been able to transfer that same ability to ecoli bacteria via a plasmid transfer. This has fantastic possible uses in processing our waste back into the environment.

I am utterly dumbfounded by people's unwillingness to educate themselves on the dynamic and wonderful world around them, waiting for the deity of their choice to give them the answers. Ignorance takes a terrible toll on humanity.

science uses logic and reason... so it's boring. why bother with logic or reason when we have sponge bob?

simple... americans are dumb and a (claimed)majority are christians.... that and science contradicts the bible, which means its obviously not true... since we all know a book written by people who didn't know about germs, DNA, gravity, or cancer is definitly going to be all we need.

Simply, truthfully, as this writer and WhiteNoise make clear enough, most Americans, raised on sound bites, fail in part because we are not as studied nor as serious about what it honestly takes to succeed even given opportunity, or the lack of it, faith in God or not.

So, AGAIN this blaming of humanist secular fruitions on the religious? We haven't had prayer in public school in how many decades, you prim Nazi butfuq(z). Why is it your required "intelligence" somehow doesn't befit you now?

So how bigotted, how narcisstic, how unforgivably just plain utterly Stupid and Absolutely preposterous is it really to suggest off-handedly that someone like Billy Graham, or John the Baptist, or John Wesley, or Calvin, or Jesus Christ Himself or someone else's respectable faith in a Timeless personal God, could be the very reason they may fail a science quiz or display less than adequate interest or discipline in education? You hypocrits! It's literally, at least as unforgivably stupid as the sickly ones who always suggest it for lack of a better self-image (and that's all that matters isn't it and why it's so easily bought at someone else's expense). It's no wonder you peevishly persist for pathetic desperation. It's just more of the same projectionist stupidity trying to sneak back in the house, when it's already been injuriously tossed out on its ass, the very same stupidity trying to weasel back in uncontested, doing your best to "blend" in, albeit ingloriously at others' expense for simple lack of personal merit--just like the embittered propogandizing Nazis to the Jews in the 40s...only now you're just calling your New Jews "the religious". heh.

if you call someone stupid for having faith in God and then paint that exclusionary bigotry to be an alleged "root" cause of demeaning failures in secular society (like Bush his "Islam") then you are a Nazi buttfuq who warrants no mercy. fuq off.

It is indeed ALSO the religious have made many of the world's GREATEST discoveries....

Blaming our politics and pop culture makes absolutely no sense. Look at the politics and pop culture of Japan and China.

Is that why so many people believe that jet fuel can burn hot enough to melt steel beams?

A lot of reason could be the reason why we suck at science. Not willing to learn Darwinism, more focused on technology rather than our own atmosphere, or basically defining biology as sex. Our education system is seriously screwed up. We have more felons than teachers.

Even religion could be blamed on the reason why America suck at science.

dude i had physics lessons when i was 9, moved back to the states at 14 and they didn't teach physics until I was 16. Sooo yea we have a lot of work to do...

"A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and a free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time toward a past that is dead which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create." Bertrand Russell

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEORY AND REALITY
a boy asks his father to explain the difference. His father tells the boy to ask his sister if she'd sleep with a stranger for $500,000. She says yes. He then tells him to ask his mother the same Question She replies yes as well. "See son its like this, in theory we are millionaires but in reality we live with a couple of whores!!!!"

I so love science , chemistry and biology . Haven't you ever wanted to brew your own moonshine , blow something up ? I WANT to know how stuff works . If only so I can mess with it at some point . Curiosity often trumps fear and can give you an edge when you need one . I would be wasting my life if I did not learn as much as possible about , it , and the cosmos I live in . Who wants to live without understanding ? How sad !

for me science is inseperatable from spirituallity. religion on the other hand i can do without, it's really politics. religious/political interference with advancement in our knowledge is outrageous. i feel it my duty to teach the message of enlightenment with all my enthusiasm.

The whole American school system is teaches a curriculum of idiocy. Take your typical English reading class. Instead of reading and discussing the philosophies and proper grammar found in mind elevating material such as the works of Plato or great poets such as Frederick Schiller, Aeschylus, Shakespeare, and other great minds, instructors give their students crap to read. "Twilight" and "The Catcher in the Rye". This is used to develop creativity and logical reasoning skills among the youth?
Math , Science, History, etc, the way it is taught is just as hurtful.

The US has the worst school systems. They are starting to just focus on Math and English which, in turn, is making children uninterested in school.

They need to stop cutting education whenever they are in a money crisis. I live in California and I am disgusted with the lack of funding that goes towards our schools and they wonder why our test scores are so low. And what's with all of the stupid testing they make kids do now? They aren't robots.

LETS GIVE KIDS MUSIC, ART AND SCIENCE! PLEASE!

We fear knowledge. Think of Merry Shelly's Frankenstein or Back to the Future. Those stories show horrible things happening when knowledge is obtained.

I suppose it's part of our culture. Many Americans are lazy and prefer or expect others to think for them. They'll mock them while at they same time they idly enjoy and feel entitled to the benefits of their work.

I still think there are plenty of brilliant minds in America. It's just that they get ignored. People would rather know about celebrities and sports stars personal lives.

Also, look at how many movies and kids shows portray scientists as evil.

Are we headed to a future of American morons while China takes over?

We are not flunking science on the collegiate level, America still leads the world in many scientific categories and even if we have slide in some areas...we are attempting to regain our status.

We just need a resurgence of nerds in pop culture to inspire the new generation. Watching Real Genius in the 80's was probably the single event that had the greatest impact on my life. There is a part of my brain where Everybody Wants to Rule the World is playing in a loop while kids frolic in slow motion in a sea of popcorn.

Logic supercedes superstition in the realm of reason, but unfortunately ignorance far outweighs intelligence in the realm of reality.

Hmmm, I find science-smart guys pretty damn sexy. I'm just saying, the science fair I went to last year was pretty much made up of sexy guys building robots and trying to cure fucking cancer.
I feel like there has been more a push in schools to show science as much more than just paper mache volcanoes and test tubes. At my school scientists who worked with embryonic stem cells and the FBI came in and talk to us about their fields. And my friend wants to be, I think its a neuro-scientist, eeeh or something. Even for a me, someone who is not interested in pursuing science as a career, I find some science branches really interesting to learn about.

Science > Religion

I'm a expert at Science..

I'll have to get better at Math though...

(Or at least remember it... Keine-sama will not take no for an answer....)

No, blame the league of stupid ass religious teachers, and stupid ass brain washed religious kids.

I went through whole high school with science classes, and almost everyone failed because they didn't understand shit. The fucking science teacher was even an over religious asshole who tried to demonize science.

I'm in college now, and it's the same shit(community colleges) over religious teachers who down science and no one takes science seriously, but everyone wants a job to deal with science but all the see is money. When you can't even do the simplest shit, how do you expect to make loads of cash doing complex shit on the job.

Science>>>>>>>>>Religion

:/ i Never like science its boring :/ Unless you discover a meteorite that gives you super powahs!!!!!!!

Aww that's kind of sad. Personally I think that science is pretty cool on it's own, especially when I read all the cool stories about technology on Current.

Its a waste of time unless you need it for your chosen profession, you don't need seience to work at bk or mcdonalds.