G.I. Joe Hates Women

I heard that movie was good. My male friend saw it and raved about it.

If someone is looking to movies for someone to look up to or inspire them then they really need more people in their life and less time watching the screen.

Jammer has such a weird world view. You are influenced by the media you watch. There is no way around that. Media is pervasive, and subtle and grabs at your very hopes and dreams. If you spent your whole life watching one of your dreams fulfilled time and time again in the media (like, say marrying a prince) and another one of your dreams mocked and ridiculed (like being a smart woman) which dream do you think would last?

Seriously, Jammer, what is your dream? Think about how the media's focus on beautiful people has altered your dream. Here you are in a chat room, without a true face, hassling all these nice people. Was this what you dreamed about as a young man? Or did you hope that people would love you and hold you up and celebrate you? At some point you lost that dream and this is what you are left with now. How much of your life, do you think, is the result of you and everyone you know being told time and time again that beautiful people should be celebrated, not ugly ones?

What is with all the psychobabble?

Intemedation?

Nice. A movie about a toy has caused you to think in profound ways or is this more of a way to think you're thinking in profound ways?

I do understand that we are shaped by what we watch. There was nothing I stated that would indicate otherwise.

My problem with people on this thread is their inability to realize what the movie is and what it is not. What you wanted it to be is IMPOSSIBLE because it NEVER was that...not even when it was in someone's head did that guy think, "I wonder how this will make girls feel in the year 2009." No.

Toys like this were for boys.
Girls got dolls.

They were not thinking about how to please women.

And the actresses in this film were not going "Oh let me take on this part because it objectifies me."

Why did they not think that? Because the roles DO NOT DO THAT. The roles are strong ones. I suppose you would have been more pleased with them being paper pushers and getting coffee instead of going out and getting their dresses dirty?

Film critics (for the most part...even those that don't get paid) are so jaded that they fail to realize why a film was created and YES that matters. if it was created to entertain or inform matters.

GI JOE was made to entertain not to be a role model for females that the toys were NEVER intended for. Be grateful they even had female characters to begin with.

Unfortunately my kids learn about life from all the various TV shows and movies they are exposed to. No way around that. And it will probably take about 1,000 Nancy Drew mysteries to offset the damage done by a single G.I. Joe flick.

If you found yourself responsible for a young mind I think you would be more concerned with the crap that it gets exposed to. And let's just say that my daughter can process out the endless, pointless misogyny that is baked into film today. Unfortunately she'll be in class with a room full of boys that may not be able to do the same. We're training our youth to be morons, and the few that are able to break free of this programming are going to be held back by the morons that aren't.

Enough responsability to find out about a movie before I went off and saw it.

Or make comments that generalize people in the same manner your mocking them for.

whatever. quit trolling my posts... it gets old when you argue with everything someone has to say because they smacked you down on another thread. ;)

Which is what you are doing.

You have a knack for pinning others with how you're acting.

Can't handle replies, don't have an opinion.

What r u talking about> I don't respond to your posts, I respond to your crazy stuff that u put under my posts. I doubt it's a coincidence that you comment on every post I make right now.

Bag O Crazy

Done With You

Posts that were posted after MY FIRST post in those mentioned threads.

It's not like I had to seek out your assumptions and fallible opinions. They are emailed to me and I see them and then I respond.

Allow your ego to take a rest. You're not worth following.

Thanks for the comment Denica, I appreciate it.

I don't know why Jammer keeps going on about people ignoring the plot of G.I. Joe, or that we're somehow generalizing the film. Maybe I can answer that issue now by saying there was no plot, really. 4 bombs are created at the beginning of the film, and over the course of 2 hours the bad guys try to set off the bombs. That's not really a plot, that's a dramatic device. A plot involves character motivation, and the only motivation that G.I. Joe seems to have is to join the military so he can "be on the ground, in the fight".

I don't know how to break this to the nation's teens without sounding harsh, so I'll just come out and say it. Joining the military has NOTHING to do with fighting "on the ground". Less than 1% of your time will be spent with your rifle pointed at a "bad guy" (in most cases it will be 0%). Instead you'll be cleaning things, running around in circles and eating 3 meals a day at taxpayer expense. And believe me, taxpayers don't pay for fine dining. It's more like being trapped in a McDonald's than the fantasy depicted in G.I. Joe.

It's rather simple....

...GI JOE was a cartoon. It is not like you couldn't find out what it was about prior to seeing the film. There is probably videos on YOUTUBE that you could have watched.

You made the choice to see it. Why? What made you think that it would be good for young women (of course this is based on your thinking not mine for I went with a young woman and she did not have a problem with it at all.)?

Pretending that women do not use their bodies to get things or playing off the old fashion idea of holding doors open for women.

Yes they do.

And the cartoon was created from a toy and the toy was created to promote military...so...why people are so upset over how they decide to tell the story in a new way to get new children to like it is really retarded to me.

Valid point hammer. Just remember most of this is just internet rambling. I like most people who complain on the internet are really just venting about other issues.

Why are you boycotting?

Well I don't really have the time to watch every movie made. Especially when I already watch 3 or 4 movies a day. And the GI Joe movie looks nice and flashy but it is just very low on the list. Boycotting is too strong of term. I was being unfair when I typed that. Besides I know in the end a year from now I will be at a friend's house and some bastard will say "Hey I got GI Joe we should watch it" then I will probably drink a stiff drink while drifting in and out during the fight scenes. Just like how I got threw both Transformer movies. Because the fact is. If the movie has a sword fight. I will end up seeing it. Because sword fights are badass.

And yes they are good---those sword fights.

What does that have to do with this GI Joe movie?

They did not wear skimpy outfits or tight gear that the males did not wear.

First off, thanks for the great interaction Jammer. I may not agree with you but I appreciate all the comments!

The reason I wanted to speak up is that the female characters in this film are so dysfunctional, so over-the-top incomplete. One female character (Scarlett, the smart one) has no emotions at all. I guess too many big smart thoughts got into her brain and pushed all the emotions out. Another character, G.I. Joe's wife, got mad once and so of course she had to switch sides and plot to destroy the world.

The women are depicted as empty shells, just waiting for a man to fill them up. I hope my daughter never sees anything like this in her lifetime. I want her to know that she can be both smart and emotional. And I also want her to know that it's OK to be mad at your husband from time to time, and not be worried that she'll be cast as a villian.

I want my daughter to know that emotions are an important and healthy component of her life, and I don't think she's going to get that from G.I. Joe. I mean, the guy literally has a shoot out with his wife. The guy has issues.

This movie is based on a cartoon. That cartoon is based on a toy and that toy was created to inspire love for the military.

Substance is already lacking, as one could see.

But the movie had more substance than the cartoon ever did and far more character as well. The females were not hollow. The Baroness was bad because Duke did not protect her brother and in turn she became frustrated. But they took over her and controlled her via a substance. What one should learn from that is anger and bitterness can be controlling and take over your life leaving you with no more than you had before and maybe even less.

As for Scarlett she was found that love did nothing for her and decided it was best to rely on things that she were sure of and that would be logic and numbers....

I understand wanting great role models for your daughter, but a movie that is based on an action figure from the 1950's (if I'm not mistaken) is just not going to be that....women weren't even part of that line up then.

They are allowed....

another victim post ignoring what exists.

You make a very good point.

In my opinion a woman being busty and sexy does not necessarily make her interesting.

what about the resident evil movies? mila is a strong confident woman and she isn't busting at the seams (which i personally like more than WOAH THAT'S BIGGER THAN MY HEAD!!!)

@ Heimbachae
Milla has the whole package though, she can play interesting characters that can carry a story, plus she's easy on the eyes. ya know what I mean?

I didn't think I would have to call someone shallow after high school.

Guess you're a first.

No one said ugly, just not over sexualized.

Ugly is a subjective term. To me, stupid is ugly. Personally I would prefer the female characters in movies be average looking smart girls than beautiful idiots. In the case of GI Joe, however, it is based on a toy line in which every character is a prime physical specimen, not just the women. At the same time, I understand how women feel. How would you feel if the role was reversed?

i totally agree, but i think we also need to start holding these actresses accountable for taking questionable roles like this...

Actors have a terrible habit. They like to eat. In order to eat they have to work. Sometimes being a working actor in the US means taking "unsavory" roles, especially if you are a minority. Think about all the black actors who've had to build their careers out of playing gangsters and pimps or the Asian actors who've had to play overachieving nerds, bucktoothed comic relief, or martial artists. What about the Hispanic actors relegated to "lazy Mexicans" and Latin lovers? What about all of the Arab actors who've paid rent playing terrorists or Germans who've had to play NAZIs?

PLEASE.....victims.

Star Trek has several strong female chacacters.

Battlestar Galactica also has several.

Babylon 5 has many.

This idea that they SCI-FI does not or that video games do not is just made up so people can feel sorry for themselves.

This is like the generation of whining.