Rape in the Ranks: The Enemy Within

Because men are even less likely to come forward if they've been raped than women, and by pure statistics the rape of women outnumbers that of men hugely. Can't you just forsee a situation in which a man comes forward reporting he has been raped, and is himself forced out under the DADT policy? Anything to protect "morale". I don't know how much morale I could have knowing I was serving with and/or under rapists and sadists.

Since we are being general and not specific---men are raped every 30 seconds in prison. I could be off by 15 seconds....

Women are not raped more and that cannot be quantified when the numbers are not well known.

That's like saying women are abused more than men. Where is your proof? Men don't come forward to that either because people (who claim there is equality and that there is such between women and men) laugh and do not take seriously such situations.

If they did then those abused cases that have been posted on this site would jump up as far as those that are posted about women. But lookie lookie...that's not the case---ever.

Equality...ha.

That is why every time there is a post about how women are so mistreated I roll my eyes. Those women are full of so much bowel movement that they must be releasing their constipation via their dirty little mouths when such bile they post is so far from the truth.

Expect me to care? Then start caring about all who are afflicted and not just those you think are weaker.

I believe its safe to assume that women are more often raped by men in the military. No one has ignored the issue of male rape in the military. Its just not the focus here. Rape has always been a form of hazing or initiation in the military for women and even in some other groups. Despite all of this, it is hard to narrow down the issue of male rape in the military because it is reported in little numbers. Hell, even women barely report it. You have to admit that women are rarely seen as the dominate gender especially in the military

Seen doesn't have anything on it being a fact. Because if they were dominate then they'd fight and win instead of being taken over...excluding gang rape.

Most women report more so than men meaning that you don't know how many men have had this problem because it's far more embarrassing for them to admit it because they are NOT gay. And maybe they feel that if they do state that they have been it'll become public knowledge and then they'll be labeled as gay...it's unfair in so many ways.

Women got into the military because equality issues. When doing a study on rape in the military men should be included or why the hell are women in there? To get special treatment?

Seems so.

@J_Jammer you wrote "Seen doesn't have anything on it being a fact. Because if they were dominate then they'd fight and win instead of being taken over...excluding gang rape."

As a woman, a veteran, and a survivor of rape while in the military. I say first and foremost I'm not offended by your remarks because I have heard them all to many times before. but I'll let you in on a simpple fact right now, it's difficult to fight back when you're in your own barracks room and wake up with some guy hovering over you after he used the duty keys to walk in your room. Have you no empathy for others?

You also stated that, "Women got into the military because of equality issues. When doing a study on rape in the military men should be included or why the hell are women in there? To get special treatment?"
Seems so" And I'm responding with a resounding no. Very loudly. it seems that you're saying that you're against women in the military? If not, clarify that statement for me please. Because women have been serving in the military for many many years BEFORE they were integrated to work side by side with men.

Also a study on rape has nothing to do with HOW or when women got into the military. The study on rape is BECAUSE there are women in the military.

However slow it may be this is progress.....

Women can do anything men can do -- is that not true? Is that not the argument that is made?

Meaning that if a man were to rape you without a weapon and just used their strength that a woman should be able to fight her way out because she is of equal strength and is not weaker than a man---is that not true?

That is what I was stating.

I am also inferring that a woman should be able to rape a man through the same means....also pointing that women are just as guilty as men for doing this since that is equality at work.

I would be one of those people that would assume that men are most likely to do so---but that's not equal thinking and therefore I wouldn't want to infringe on any equality rights there.

When I said special treatment I was stating that because apparently only women can get raped and if that is not the case why is it that only women are being discussed? -- special treatment. What other answer do you have that is justifiable?

The argument here is that the military is covering up the rapes of its female soldiers and the eventually murder of such victims. I am sure the same can be said about men, but the numbers to confirm it as a problem that is equal to women is not there.
I never said men and women are equal in such a way. Men in the military are genetically designed for combat. Rape is easy for them.
Biologically? I am not saying that women cannot rape men. Equality at work would be if a female commanding officer were to rape her fellow comrade with force equal to a man. I may be naive, but I think a majority of female on male rapes occur through manipulation and date rape drugs. I can't see a women forcible raping a man with the same force he would use on her.
Men are most likely to do so. Believing that a man would rape a woman more often than a women raping a man is not a disservice to their equality. The numbers are there to show that female sexual harassment in the military is condoned.
There is no special treatment here. Can you honestly tell me that you think men are raped as often as women? If you look at the statistics of its occurrence outside of the military, I can only think the large difference is similar in the military. If more men came forward, male rape would be recognized as a plight similar to female rape, but they don't have the facts to back it up

True, I can do anything a man can do..... Except pee standing up. And I think someone just invented a fix for that....

@J_Jammer "Meaning that if a man were to rape you without a weapon and just used their strength that a woman should be able to fight her way out because she is of equal strength and is not weaker than a man---is that not true?"

The second thing that you have to take into account is that before strength comes into play, in that moment when the rapist walks up to the door or comes in through the window there is a definite choice or conscious decision that is made to violate another human being and their sense of safety. I believe that "fear is a more powerful weapon than any gun or knife"( I forgot who's quote that is so I can't give proper credit.) but needless to say once that fear has been instilled and maybe acted on it's a mighty difficult thing to shake. and I believe that unwittingly that fear, it has been instilled in every woman from childhood.

@J_Jammer "When I said special treatment I was stating that because apparently only women can get raped and if that is not the case why is it that only women are being discussed? -- special treatment. What other answer do you have that is justifiable?"

The answer is, Although its rarely reported, I do know that men are raped, and this is just coming to the public's attention now. I haven't done any in depth reading on it to understand the Psychology behind it but to respond to your final question I'll refer you back to the last sentence in my previous paragraph.

What a minute?!?! Rape has always been a form of hazing or initiation in the military? Really...cause after Tailhook, basically all forms of initiation/hazing in the military has been effectively outlawed. Shell Backing, Tacking on Crows, Blue Noose (well maybe there is still rape on subs...). And I have never once heard, on a crew of 6000 people, of which I spent 5 years on board, of a single male on female, or multiple males on female assault. Now granted, I am only taking from personnel experience. Maybe I should just say so random insane crap like "Every woman ever raped dressed like a slut". This, just like saying that every time a woman was in the military she gets rape is utterly out of line and out of touch completely.

@pukemnukem "And I have never once heard, on a crew of 6000 people, of which I spent 5 years on board, of a single male on female, or multiple males on female assault. Now granted, I am only taking from personnel experience."

I'm sorry to say it has happened, and the Medical Officers had no experience doing a rape kit, So I had to instruct the M.O on how to do a rape kit, when my attention should have been focused primarily on the patient and comforting her. Before the exam was finished most of the ship knew who she was, so she changed her story. and usually, if a rape is reported its usually a little blurb in the Army, Navy, Marine, Air force, Times possibly in the back.

jonesin4anime,

It's special treatment when only one is focused on while ignoring the other. Numbers are not there because there's not the right amount of care. Special treatment.

JuJubeez,

A man of equal size and strength attacks another man of the same -- there would most likely not be a rape. The one man (if there is no weapon involved) would get away.

If women are as strong as men how is that not the case for them in the military?

I understand the surprise attack...and even if one did that to a man the man would still fight and get away....because equal strength would allow that bit of resistance to be enough to wiggle out and go.

@J_Jammer I think jonesin4anime said it. "Men in the military are genetically designed for combat. Rape is easy for them." Not exactly how I feel, but close. The ratios of men to women in certain military occupations, the men outnumber women and quite possibly also outrank them.
You have been reading about the rape of Iraqi women In front of their families and being photographed and then covering it up right? The same thing happens right here in our own backyard everyday.

I understand that it happens.

I do not like that the focus is only on women as the only victims. The longer it is ignored that men also get raped (and most likely in the same manner as women just don't say anything...) the longer it will be thought of as only a woman thing and that is not ok.

J_Jammer, why are you trying to demean the stories of the women who have been raped in this documentary? Yes, it occurs to men too, but that is not the focus of the film.

Women in general do not have the same physical strength as men, but they are still vital for the military to function without a draft. Women serve as medics, pilots, etc. Their strength may come in the form of mental clarity, experience, etc. Strength is not purely physical, and to revert to some inane argument that women claim to be as strong as men is merely a divergence from the issue at hand. Honestly, you're arguments sound like you either condone rape against women in the military and/or that you just want women to shut up about it.

Do you seriously believe that the struggles of four women are not important because there aren't clear statistics on all types of rapes occurring everywhere?

Your insensitivity is mind numbing.

J_Jammer, do a documentary on male rape in the miltary and tell the world what you find. I'll bet it would be ten times harder than the one on women. But that's what it would take to put out something to make your point. It would actually be quite a compelling and original subject, so you'd likely have an audience before you start provided you do a good job.

Pascale had an uphill battle just finding these women and getting their stories, and it seems she only found four. These are intimate things that people don't want to reveal to the entire world. So you can't expect to see stories out there unless you go out and report them.

Theekshani,

I think focusing on women as the only victims in the military is ignoring the problems that would solve both problems.

The women are not 'nothing'---they are not the only ones.

JonRaymond,

I am not good at doing what this woman has tirelessly done. Nor do I think that what she has done is not worthy. I just think that this talk about women being equal and not being victims and not being this and that----that any story speaking about women should speak about men who are in the same position.

Frankly I think that it is probably factual to state that women are more victims of rape then men----but on this site it's screamed that women are just as good as men and with good is always the bad.....but hat is not where feminist fight to have equality. I don't see them fighting for such in abuse cases of men or rape cases....apparently women can only have those things happen to them.

yeah right.