Tyler Perry Blasts Spike Lee on 60 Minutes (VIDEO)
source: http://www.bittenandbound.com/2009/10/26/spike-lee-comments-tyler-perry-60-minutes-response-...
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keithponder
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Jammer,
You've got a comment on every thread behind everybody's post. You go from story to story posting your " I'm right and you're wrong" comment whenever you decide to open your trap. If you were that bright, you'd really be teaching law at Yale or nuclear physics at MIT. Nobody but you acts as if they are right all of the time. You having a comment on everything really just demonstrate either how lonely you are as a person or just how plain ignorant a person can be when they can't see past their own front yard.
It doesn't hurt to be wrong, or agree with the other side sometime. Nobody is right all of the time. "Typical Americans are always right" mindset.
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keithponder:
Very well said.
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I didn't watch the video yet but ut seems that this article should be Spike called out Perry. This has been a habit of Spike. Last year it was the Coen brothers about how they can't take anything seriously. Then a criticism of Clint Eastwood that there weren't any black people in Flags of Our Farthers. There were and it was an accurate depiction. I enjoy Spike's films and the one Tyler Perry film I've seen. I just don't understand Spike's problem of calling out people when they deal with subjects in their films differently. What's wrong with filmmakers doing it differently than he does it? As a director, I enjoy Spike but as a person, I'm starting to question his reason. If he can't have understanding amongst his film community how does he put any understanding in his own work.
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jramirez1982
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Tyler Perry is nothing but an entertainment "writer, producer & Director" and that's depending on who you ask. He might not produce movies that inspire the avid movie watcher, however if you understand urban comedy, "He a fool," and I mean that in the nicest possible way, he makes me laugh as he reminds me of people I grew up around. I love both Tyler and Spike. Spike is hating based on a financial perspective
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You have to see the material before you can judge. There is a underlying story to his movies the shows. Without the slapstick the movies may not have been made in the first place. Spike is part of the black community who has forgotten what it is like to still have hunger behind their drive.
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jcamille
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check it out. And Spike is a hater.
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good_stuff
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Clearly the two directors are focussing on two very different genres. It would be akin to comparing apples to oranges.
While I don't really like tyler perry movies because of the plot, I suggest anybody should go to watch a tyler perry movie on a saturday night when it first comes out. The commentary from the crowd is the appeal to me.
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keithponder
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I've never spent a dime on a Tyler Perry movie and probably never will. It is buffoonery at its highest peak.
I live in Atlanta and a lot of people worship him here because this is Tyler's hometown. I met him once about 4 years ago while riding bikes with a couple friends. We spoke to him and he turn his head the other way, as if we were bothering him. My friends were high level professionals, not thrill seekers. We rode by him later that morning and realized why he was cold to us.. He'd finally found some gay guys to talk to. I'm not homophobic, but it is not unusual for Black gay men to behave like this. It is appalling however.From a guy that was once homeless, to who he has become, I personally feel like Tyler Perry has really gotten besides himself, and this is not just because of my personal experience with him. His movies don't make sense and he doesn't care because he's making a ton of money.
Madea is Tyler Perry's alter ego. He's a joke that is not funny to real men. Spike Lee is right. Hollywood loves seeing Black men dress up like women,
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keithponder:
One time?
Are you telling me you've never had bad moments where you just didn't know someone was talking to you even though they were right there?
It seems to me you and your friends were overly sensitive to someone that is human and did a human thing.
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keithponder:
It seems to me that you never know what in the fuck your talking about.
You will never be able to define what the roll of a Black man is in his own community.The presence of a strong, and independent Black roll model frightens you to death.You're at ease with joke telling Negro that doesn't threaten your false sense of superiority.
You time is up Jammer. Take it like a man.
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keithponder
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keithponder:
You shouldn't be so sensitive.
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keithponder:
You shouldn't be so ignorant.
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keithponder:
I asked a question...you get all defensive.
Tisk, tisk.
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keithponder:
Jammer,
You've got a comment on every thread behind everybody's post. You go from story to story posting your " I'm right and you're wrong" comment whenever you decide to open your trap. If you were that bright, you'd really be teaching law at Yale or nuclear physics at MIT. Nobody but you acts as if they are right all of the time. You having a comment on everything really just demonstrate either how lonely you are as a person or just how plain ignorant a person can be when they can't see past their own front yard.
It doesn't hurt to be wrong, or agree with the other side sometime. Nobody is right all of the time. Typical Americans are always right mindset.
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keithponder:
hahaha....and yet you are going to tell me what I do all the time?
You must thing your assessment is wrong based on how you worded your comment about "no one thinks they are always right".....
contradiction galore.
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keithponder:
Read it again Jam,
"Nobody is right all of the time". - 2 years ago
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keithponder:
I don't have a problem reading. I read a lot as is with books and things. The point is that you think you're right when assessing me...making you part of what you're stating and complaining about with me. Creating a nook for your double standard to nest. Ignore it as you wish---but it's there.
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I think this article is titled incorrectly, Spike was the one who made disparaging remarks about Tyler Perry. TP just said that pissed him off, & understandably so. Spike has made a lot of great films i.e. Malcom X, Bamboozled, Summer of Sam, but he hasn't been able to gross a lot of money like TP has. And like Spike, TP has done it w/o help from Hollywood. Spike may find TP's work stereotypical, but he's smart enough to realize that calling his work 'coonery & buffonery', is more damaging to the African American community than any TP character could ever be.
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neodobby:
well said man. well said
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neodobby:
I guess that you haven't lived long enough to realize the damage that buffoonery has cause in the BLACK COMMUNITY in the past 75 years. Buffoonery started out almost a century ago. A lot of what young Black people except today as standard is actually buffoonery, because its been push down our throats for so long that people are starting to except it as being funny, when actually we are allowing the masses to de-characterize African Americans as human beings.
This does not have anything at all to do with whether or not Tyler Perry's film out gross Spike Lee's. That's an issue of buffoonery within it'self. If Spike Lee wanted to make more money, he would has sold his soul to Hollywood a long time ago.
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Spike lee Hates Tyler Perry's movies. Phew, he's in good company on that one. If Perry wasn't pumping out three a year and doing a theatrical production and tv show at the same time there might be quality but the idea is quantity and cash for that man, he's no artist he's just a b movie star. House of Payne? Just painful to watch.
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ocanada:
The movies are already written. It's not like he writes three a year.
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Madea, whose real name is Mabel Simmons, was born - according to most accounts - in rural Greensburg, Louisiana, in 1937. According to Don't Make a Black Woman Take Off Her Earrings: Madea's Uninhibited Commentaries on Love and Life, she had several brothers, two of whom were Frederick and Joe (who appears in the movies), and an illegitimate brother named Willie Humphrey, who she was briefly married to. In Madea's Family Reunion, she has a sister, named Irene, who dies. Also in the book, she gives details of her mother, "Big Mabel" Murphy, who according to Madea, was a big woman too. She was described as being very gentle and mild-mannered, a very kind and peaceful woman... until you got her started.
When she was sixteen, her family moved to New Orleans, Louisiana into a shotgun house.
She attended Booker T. Washington High School where she was a cheerleader.
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I had to study Spike Lee's films along with John Singleton's as part of the African American film "movement." Boyz in the Hood was epic compared to Do the Right Thing.. but I don't think that forced comparison is an appropriate way to look at art or society. I think Lee's early films are obnoxious and unwatchable- but he made them for him not for me. As his career has progressed, I think he has honed his craft very well.
I tend to agree with Mr. Lee on this one - there are WAY too many crap films that show a white man's idea of: Women, African Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, blah blah blah
Art shouldn't just be the domain of the wealthy - we need a more diverse group of filmmakers to be funded. - 2 years ago
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People need to read up on (Black or) African-American film history and then comment accordingly. Lee and Perry, to some extent both represent some form of baffornery and they both represent a positive message to all communities, not just the Black one. Look at this for what it is: advertisment, whether good or bad it is still advertisment. Look at how many responses this topic has gotten and media attention. To see two successful Black men fighting in the media is them using us for attention. I bet they are friends like Malcolm X and Dr. King were, and hopefully laugh all the way to the bank! Sensationalism for good or bad always grabs peoples' attention! Wake up folks!
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You don't have to be black or white to see the difference between Tyler Perry's art and Spike Lee's, you simply have to be intelligent. You have to care to want to see more than what you CAN see on any day and almost anywhere in the black community. Whether you can relate to characters in Tyler Perry's shows or movies, the question is, are these positive images for our community. Is it OK to make lite of being a 3 time felon or a pot head. Sure it might be funny but when patrons walk away from watching something like that what was the more powerful message. There have been great contributions to the black community and no other director black or white bought these stories to everyone like Spike Lee. I am old enough to have see all of Spike Lee's movies, and not all of them had all an "all black" cast. But, they were "thought provoking" which MUCH of the content in Tyler Perry's movies are just the opposite. If you know someone that said they didn't like Spike Lee movies, check out what else they entertain themselves with... Lil Wayne, Soldier Boy, Flava of Love, 106 & Park, and the like.... WAKE UP!
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dj_ioglyphics:
So Lee isn't angry as he sounds? He's more up beat and happy?
What movie shows that?
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kansas13
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AS funny man Dave Chapelle would say, "Do I have to wear a dress to be successful in Hollywood."
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kansas13:
I'm sure it would help but I'm not sure you have the legs for it. Try a long skirt and some three inch heels.
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Tyler Perry doesn't do good movies in my opinion. I discredit the authenticity of his portrayal of the black man the most. He makes us look ignorant and powerless for the most part. Spike Lee captivates the power of a black man in every movie. I think Perry is for the women and paints his pictures throught the perception of a feminem man which is a recipe for movies that I DON'T support. Spike Lee is totally correct on this one and I am going to talk abou this topic on my radio show next monday, "The Baby Monster Radio Show" www.woduradio.com 6pm -7pm every monday
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Ali55:
Then you must not have seen the Family that Preys. Because that totally contradicts what you just claim as the case.
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Ali55:
i just fell off of my chair laughing. Tyler Perry has never presented a character in his movies or plays that is not represented among black Americans. You deny the truth of his character portrayals? There are many feminine African American males, yet Tyler has the manhood to represent all characters that make up humanity without restraint. Spike seems to suffer from a small man syndrome, his characters are not representative of the diversity of humanity. There was a cartoon when I was a kid, where "Spike" was the bulldog and his little dog friend ran yapping at his side. In this case Spike Lee is not the bulldog! Put that in your radio show!
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Ali55:
I have to agree with you there. As a multinational, I feel the marginalizing of MEN in general is also a theme of Perry's movies. And the abuse of men of all colors is the topic of the moment on tv and cinema these days. We're all just dumb sex addicts that can't see the good woman look us right in the face. We so dumb that these wimmin show us what right, hear yall?
Sick of that scene.
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Spike Lee is a racist imbecile. I have no use for racist imbeciles..........
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unclecharlie:
Ed Norton doesn't think so.
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Fuck Spike Lee...it's entertainment, he speaks for himself not his race.
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Dpm:
He speaks for his race more than what you do.
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The fact that this made number one in NEWS states clearly what is wrong with this country.
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JanforGore:
Entertainment news is still news.
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Spike seems to be jealous of Tyler Perry's success. Their movies are meant to deliver a message and entertain. If people are not entertained sufficiently to view the films, then the message is lost. Tyler has retained the ability to laugh at the difficulties of life. Spike's movies seem to reflect an underlying resentment and anger on his part. Nevertheless, he is very talented and I especially enjoyed Malcom X.
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To me the whole thing is apples and oranges anyway.
Obviously Spike Lee has his audience and speaks to the reality of the streets and the reality of race relations in America. Whereas Tyler Perry's audience is the more middle/upper class fans of Oprah and Bill Cosby.
In a way its sort of like comparing Dr. Dre to Lionel Richie--both are talented and respected musicians but they are at opposite ends of the spectrum as far as their styles and outlook and audience. And it's not a bad thing--it just is what it is.
It's also sad because while I know it is true that white celebrities and directors and musicians tear each other down on a regular basis it's not newsworthy beyond like page 6 or the National Inquirer--but somehow its newsworthy--to the tune of 60 minutes and prime time media if black directors do those same things. Along those same lines I think it was rather disingenuous of 60 minutes to even put Spike Lee and Tyler Perry together and then sort of bait them--knowing they would disagree unless that is giving CBS too much credit and what really happened is they had a FOX news moment and forgot to check their facts and background information before booking their guests.
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common_sense_please:
"fuck your couch!" - dave chappelle
"dismiss whatever insults your own soul" ~ walt whitman
ie. your couch, grapefruit, tyler perry, lionel richie
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Tyler Perry is one of the most successful movie makers of today...i respect Spike Lee, however I think that he is jealous of Tyler Perry's success....Perry isn't depending on Hollywood to finance his movies because he finances his own...He is a one man operation, that is extremely talented...He is an actor, writer, director, producer, and financier of his own movies....His movies are all number one at the box office, causing some haters to complain because he is more talented, than they are..Madea is only one character that Tyler Perry plays in some of his movies...This is a character that was hugely popular in his plays, that were extremely successful......Tyler Perry makes very entertaining movies and he plays a wide range of charters simular to Eddie Murphy...His movies portrays American families, with challenges they are confronted with in life... Humor is used in most of his movies, and he is a funny man.
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nanac:
well, if this discussion had been going on in the 80s, it might have been a compliment to compare someone to eddie murphy.
popularity should be used sparingly as a gauge for quality. look at nickelback.
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maybe if tyler perry had made something to rival "do the right thing" or "25th hour" this might be an actual debate. as it stands, any trailer that mentions madea just makes me think of ernest goes to big momma's house. maybe we could digitally insert madea into all the old ernest movies...
madea goes to camp, madea saves christmas, madea goes to splash mountain, madea goes to jail, madea scared stupid, madea rides again, madea goes to school, slam dunk madea, madea goes to africa, madea in the army
rhetorical bonus question: which one of these is already a movie title?
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zphoenixdownz:
Madea wouldn't get scared and she sure the hell wouldn't go to Africa....she probably would barely even go to Alabama.
Your rhetorical question is boring. Ding.
You have never seen a single film with her in it...which is why your comparison to Ernest makes sense to you and you alone. It's not even the same thing or on the same field of thought.
It's sad that people go out of their way to mock a character or a creation by someone who has talent and can't even attack it right or with any sort of relevance.
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zphoenixdownz:
come off it. you're just being contrary and presumptuous for the hell of it now.
madea shouldn't even get laughs from a hyena on nitrous oxide.
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zphoenixdownz:
Not good enough. You've never seen the movies, have you? Not that you should have to, but you should stop acting like you have.
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zphoenixdownz:
i've seen enough of one to stop watching it. my brain apparently adapts to changes quickly enough to understand that i wouldn't enjoy any further punishment.
it's not unlike my reaction to anything with larry the cable guy in it.
you should stop acting like you've got access to my library and rental records. or, you know, a psychic link.
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zphoenixdownz:
See...you never watched one. I was right.
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zphoenixdownz:
yes, all hail the super sleuth, j_jammer! this budding sherlock holmes has deduced that i can stop watching movies that suck.
when asked about the case during afternoon tea in the western drawing room of his estate, j_jammer simply replied from his overstuffed victorian armchair, "it's elementary, my dear wankers."
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zphoenixdownz:
You could have just posted that that was correct instead of hide behind words.
I think twat is a funnier word than wanker.
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zphoenixdownz:
this is the internet. we're all largely hiding behind words... except maybe porn actors.
it seems that you and i are going to disagree on a great many things, which i kind of enjoy. anyway, i'll concede to a point. if my failure to watch a tyler perry feature in its entirety makes you correct by your standards, then claim victory by all means. i'll claim my own victory by relishing the time i've saved.
finally, i agree with you on something! twat's pretty handy. i used wanker because it's closer to watson. it's the poet in me.
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zphoenixdownz:
It was amusing.
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Spike Lee has a valid reason to be upset at Perry's success considering that he still cannot get funding to make his movies, while Terry is making millions every other week. While I don't think that it is a good thing to call people names, and I do think that there's a bit of competition going on here on Spike's end, but at the end of it all it's the same story that repeats it's self over again from rap music to the big screen, THEY will push, sell, promote the negative and stifle the positive. I spent two decades hearing and seeing hatred and resentment directed toward Spike's work, even though he has contributed so much to American Filmmaking he's still looked upon as the black best or the angry guy. Perry's work shouldn't speak for all black folks in the same way Spike should get the props he deserves as an American great.
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manosalon:
Plus Perry funds his own movies and he had to start from scratch because people wouldn't fund his type of movie. The slammed the doors in his face. He made his way.
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manosalon:
Hollywood has gotten real comfortable with Perry because he doesn't provoke thought or represent anything. He's not going to make you sit down and rethink your value system the Spike Lee always does in all of his movies.
Tyler Perry is keeping Black people asleep. I guess that you'd have to be Black to identify with that. If your not Black, you certainly can't, unless you're still trying to tell Black people how to think.
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manosalon:
Like what film of Lee's is that great?
And what film of his is actually positive without being consistently negative?
And does he ever laugh?
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manosalon:
Jammer,
Your comments don't even count anymore. You job is just to antagonize.
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manosalon:
If you can't answer---just admit it.
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manosalon:
Malcolm X, for starters....should won an Oscar. Inside Man wasn't "angry" at anyone, was it? How about 26th Hour?
Be for real.
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S'up Michale how you doin',
If you're new to the whole 'reply' scene on the internet I'll happily explain.
WHEN YOU WRITE IN ALL CAPITALS LIKE THIS IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF SCREAMING. So when a author of a comment types types in all caps it signifies to the reader that they're pronouncing their response out of anger.
So type safely and reasonably, limit caps. :)
BTW Tyler Perry is okay. I've saw three movies in the theaters and one of his live plays. I can see why a lot of people like it, it's classic vaudeville/melodramatic movies that has simple plots and conflicts for the mass public to understand. I can also see the other side of the coin where people who would like to see more advanced or intricate screenplay, photography, or directing will probably not care for much of Perry's work because it's formulaic.
The only thing I dislike about the TP fans is there's no room for improvement or critiquing for Perry's future work.
Yeah he had a hard life, yes he's black like me and I do agree minorities are very disproportionate in the industry but many artist black or not had discussions about their craft and Perry should not be an exception.
And for Spike I don't agree that Perry movies are coonery-- Cheesy?Maybe. But not coonery.
Out of all the movies and directors Spike had to leap on why hasn't he blasted the director of Booty Call or Leprechaun: In the Hood 1 and 2 (AND WTF WHY WOULD ANYONE ALLOW SUCH A MOVIE TO HAVE A SEQUEL?)* And the countless other movies and shows on television where minorities where the predominate cast but where acting as the negative characatures of their race?
*See that's when you're suppose to have all caps.
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ScorpioGee:
When you have a hard life it is not easy to be serious without being too serious...hence why (I believe) he has humor in his films as wacky as Medea.
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Alright, I don't mean to ruin it for anyone...but let's face it...from the news media and the box office and now even the Black...I mean, White House...there is a real issue with the representation of Black Culture in mass media that needs to be called out. And you, 60 minutes is just as guilty as anyone of perpetrating the cycle...
While Madea and Mr. Brown may seem like characters out of Spike Lee's "Bamboozled"...there is a suprising amount of honesty and underlying humanity in Tyler Perry's work.
These characters are very much the 'spoonful of sugar' to the sometimes harsh but not exploitative medicine Perry's films deliver. Perry tackles some very tough issues with a sincerity and heart not found in the works of any of his contemporaries...black or otherwise.
To me it has always seemed that Spike Lee spent so much time being angry and pontificating in his films that somewhere along the way they lost that same touch of humanity. But hey, "Clockers" wouldn't have been "Clockers" if Mr. Brown was running comic relief and really people...no one wanted to see Wesley Snipes catch "Jungle Fever" in a "Mo Better Blue" dress.
Now, I don't gamble...but I'd bet...most of Tyler Perry's critics have never even seen one of his films...and are basing their opinions on a portrayal of his work based (yet again) on how it was marketed to/within the mainstream.
The same marketing machine that made took black women from being "Supreme" in the 70's and turned them into "Diva's" or "Domestic Abuse Victims with Habits" now...reduced NWA and Ice T as the soundtrack to 'gank' somebody's sneakers to in the 80's; made Tupac and Biggie's names synonymous with the East vs. West war of the 90's and Dancehall Reggae with rampant with homophobia...and so on and so forth.
So, who really perpetrates the "cooning"? The guy in the dress? Really?
Really?
I think Tyler Perry is just savvy enough as a film-maker to turn the concept around and make films that allow a portrait of the black family and community experience to be featured in a way where people can laugh along with it rather than going ahead and laughing straight-up at it. The mark of any good playwright, I reckon.However, my man Spike is a little more right than he is wrong...we could and should be doing better. But, does anyone else find it ironic that at this point in his career...20 years after "Do The Right Thing"...Spike has now become the person telling it how is "ought" to be, while Tyler Perry is making it telling it like it "is"?
I just hope Spike doesn't get any crankier in his golden years like that other Zerbert pandering Jello fellow...rather creepy when you look back at it isn't it?
So, back to you 60 Minutes...as those seconds tick away like things to do on Andy Rooney's bucket-list, I'd like to see you answer for your role in this whole mess...and soon...before Mike "F*$%ing" Wallace's eyebrows make their final push and invade his hairline.
Why is it that you lot still send out your resident "Brother of the moment" to ask the "tough" questions of other "Brothers"?
Why is it that whenever issues of culture and race appear you smooth them over with a dash of color or a strategically placed limp wrist?
What?
Honestly...ever notice that the same standard seems to go for just about any other marginalized group battling the same issues within the dominant culture?
Oh wait, to be fair, dear 60 Minutes...when Ricky Williams needed a firm talking to...of course "Massa" Wallace was the obvious choice.
As a news program...where the spirit of real "pop-journalism" is supposed to be showcased...rather than bring in a crack-commando unit of social studies professors or historians to actually shed some light on the matter...this story and the subsequent fallout now finds itself lumped into the same sensationalized column that most stories involving two or more black men in America go...
Yet another example of Black on Black crime.
- 2 years ago
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ISlangKnowledge
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Tyler Perry is a swing and miss director every time. Thought I believe he truly means well, because his messages in his films is one of tolerance. However, his attempts at interjecting comedy by wearing fat suits and pandering to the lowest common denominator with played-out clichés and characters overshadow that message with a vengeance.
I don't know why Lee would think Perry's movies are "coonery" but, if anything, Lee's comment of "buffoonery" is spot on.
- 2 years ago
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ISlangKnowledge
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J_Jammer [removed]
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ISlangKnowledge:
No it does not.
And that is classless to state "lowest common denominator" as if people who connect to such stories are trash.
- 2 years ago
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ISlangKnowledge
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ISlangKnowledge:
Relating to a movie and playing an unsung martyr of a non-existent issue are two different things; please don't confuse them.
I know many people who relate to "Half Baked" and that movie is trash as well. It just happens to be wonderfully funny trash, which you can't say for Perry's movies.
- 2 years ago
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ISlangKnowledge
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J_Jammer [removed]
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ISlangKnowledge:
You are right, you can't and that's because his films are not trash.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's trash and I do not think you know movies well enough to dictate what you just did.
Especially not when you bring up Half Baked.
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ISlangKnowledge
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ISlangKnowledge:
I never said they were. I did, however, say that his films are always, at the very least, about a message of tolerance; either within the black community or from others.
He DOES try to make relevant movies and he DOES attempt to tackle difficult issues. But, to me, his over-the-top shenanigans overshadow his message because it's hard for me to take the films seriously when I can't get past, for example, wearing drag and a fat suit to interject comedy when the film is trying to deliver a message, and often in the same scene. These things seem to completely juxtapose the whole point of his movies and this is my complaint with them.
To be fair though, Spike Lee is kind of a hit or miss director too, so he's not really above reproach on this. I'm still trying to figure out the whole point of "He Got Game". To me, a convict shooting a basketball over a prison wall to have it land in the hands of his son in a completely different part of town isn't an allegory of hope; it's trite and it was an awful note to end the movie on. So yeah, the man can be pretentious too. All of us make that mistake. Some more than others.
- 2 years ago
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ISlangKnowledge:
I have not attacked Spike Lee. I'm making it a point that he is wrong.
You do know that when they have dinner scenes in films that that isn't how a real dinner is. There isn't a way to understand a conversation happening at a big family table because everyone is talking at once. Understandably a film has to make sense and therefore focus is formed on one conversation for most....but that's far from the truth. Even when there's only six people there could be three different conversations going on at once.
My point is that dictating what is and isn't ok in a film based on skewed thinking isn't good enough.
In real life there are funny moments within tragic moments. If you have not experienced that well....keep living you just might.
Even in abusive relationships the wife will find the husband funny, amusing and loving---hence why women have difficult time leaving (sometimes) because those moments make them see who they had fallen in love with. (there is also the financial reasons --they don't want to be out on the street...lots of reasons...but I'm pointing out one for the example)
Madea might seem out of this world to some people, but even I know that she's not necessarily a true to life person for every action she has done, but she is via her personality. I have met people like that.
Writers don't lie when they create characters...because somewhere in their life they have experienced who they are writing about and via their perception this is how that person was. I don't think this will be understood as easily as I understand it---but that's how I see it. Writers are not artist. Artist can lie via their art work. Men don't look like comic book heroes on their best day and women don't look like those busty women after plastic surgery for the 12th time. Writers don't lie. Every time a story is created by a writer they are revealing something about themselves. Even when someone plagiarize they reveal something about themselves in words that they picked that have already been written.
Characters can be hollow, boring, trite, stupid, obnoxious and all kinds of words and adjectives that one can think of---but I would never call a character fake or unreal. I have met people that would defy people's views of what makes a good character or a believable one. Those people exist.....you just have to know where to look.
- 2 years ago
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J_Jammer [removed]
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esserius
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Ugh... how is one person's disparaging remarks to another news?
- 2 years ago
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LadybugLady [removed]
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It is time for Spike to stop being so angry,all his movies is usually are angry. I love Tylers movies. they show how his life was and I do know people like his. Spike needs to liken up on things.
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I think Tyler Perry's movies are funny. I think it's wrong to assume that everything a black person does has to be serious, or political. Sometimes we just want to make a funny movie. At the same time I don't see what's wrong in Spike Lee finding the Perry movies uninteresting. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, as well as their own ability to express themselves. I've never understood why what one Black Man does has to represent every Black person alive. We do have a huge problem in our media where big media conglomerations refuse to show a diverse amount of programing featuring Black people. But I know that is not the fault of Tyler Perry. I know that in order to change this we all have to take responsibility. To work hard in changing it, by supporting programing, and service that provide a diverse voice. So why treat Mr. Perry like he is some stupid Coon who knows how to do nothing but dance for his white master? I know the man has more since than that. In a way he has been revolutionary by people from lower class Christian communities in the spot light. These may not be our favorite people. We may not even be able to personally relate to these people. But they are there. And now they have a voice. I just see new voices as a really good thing. Or maybe I'm just giving him the benefit of the the doubt. Either way both men make films that I enjoy.
- 2 years ago
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Tyler Perry is a talented man who has a talent for making stories have more than just words.
- 2 years ago
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J_Jammer [removed]
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J_Jammer:
In response to your comment to me:
@j_jammer No, I have not watched his video. He might be a 200 year old man that led others to freedom on the Underground Railroad for all I know.
However, his chosen medium is cross-dressing and pretending to be fat old lady. Previously such lofty heights were obtained by Vickie Lawrence, Martin Lawrence, Robin Williams, and I'm sure Eddie Murphy had to do it at some time.
I guess my point is if he wants to be a slapstick director that makes a ton of money and no one takes seriously, then all is good. I don't care what one's art is.
However, if he thinks he is somehow A Voice of the Community, then it still remains that his medium to communicate is to cross-dress in a fat suit.
- 2 years ago
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J_Jammer:
Well, that's it then. I'm going to find the crackerest of crackers to walk around in back-face addressing problems in the back community. Since it was once accepted, then it must be a good thing to do, right?
To bring "the history of theater" into this argument is full force sophism. You were on more solid footing arguing the merits of Perry's films- even if from an obvious apologist point of view.
The attempt to somehow solidify your argument based on the History of Theater and calling into question my knowledge of it... well, it a non sequitur and a pointless deviation of the discussion.
A man dressing in a fat suit pretending to be an old woman in 2009 does not equal a man playing a woman's role in a Marlowe play 500 years ago.
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J_Jammer:
No, but it surely shouldn't be a shocker to you that it's done.
Your dislike is a matter of taste and it has nothing to do with anyone's lack of talent. It's prideful to think otherwise.
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I very much respect Spike Lee as a Film maker and his opinion definitely carries a lot of weight. But calling Tyler Perry's work "coonery" is a very strong indictment and I think way too strong. Sure there is plenty of Buffonery in Perry's plays and films, but they are Low brow humor, and that's how its supposed to work. To call it "coonery" is to say that Perry is painting a negative image of black Americans in the usual ignorant and shuckin and jivin characters that we see in many main stream films(Chris Tucker in Rush Hour). Tyler Perrys films are the continuation of what he did with his plays which were aimed specifically at church going southern black folk. Calling it coonery is going a step too far in criticizing him. Call his movies low brow, simple, or too religous, but I think Spike took it a step too far.
- 2 years ago
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I am actually hispanic and ive never seen any of Tyler Perry's sitcoms however i did see "I can do bad all by myself" and to tell you the truth it was very real and it is relevant to a certain crowd. I personally liked the movie because it deeply touched it the way i never thought it would. It brings out alot of things that people take for granted. Even though it does relate to the black communtiy about church,faith,etc, it really opens your mind. I was ambivalent because im not religious in any way but it totally won me over. Some people tend to lack movies that are of a certain genre, I mean seriously who cares if he wore a dress hes a director and a actor he obviously has some talent and he has a meaning to what he is confident about even if he does have to wear a dress. Yeah some of the things she say is corny and ridiculous but i mean Look at "Mrs. Doubtfire" HELLO!. I think Spike Lee wants to reach out to the upper middle class black community and ya know thats not right. Its not stereotypical its funny and has a point to come across. Spike lee is both an actor and director and hes made excellent movies but people may want to see something differnet. It never hurts to try. People take risks everyday and that what Perry probrably wanted to do and see what happens next. The majority of the people like his movies because its something they can relate to perhaps. Is that so wrong?
- 2 years ago
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I find it interesting that people interpret Perry's comments as invalid based upon the notion that Lee's a better director. I don't see the point in mixing artistic opinion with the matter at hand.
Apparently the Lee fans who've posted here have not considered that although he is an amazing director, he has always been a sht talker. I gotta agree with the gentleman typing in caps. The truth is there are obviously many who identify with the experience portrayed by Perry. I've only seen Madea Goes To Jail and it was hilarious, but it wouldn't be appropriate to compare it to a Lee Joint. Lee said what he said and that's fine, however, it's unfortunate that he most likely offended Perry's fans, which by the way, are probably Lee fans as well.
- 2 years ago
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bailey78
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I'm starting to think spike lee might be a racest.
- 2 years ago
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bailey78
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bailey78:
Your are my favorite poster here, lmfao.
- 2 years ago
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bailey78:
He is a racist
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bailey78:
Yep. He's a racist. His association with Sharpton and Jackson proves that, but his own words and behavior say much more..........
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bailey78:
Yeah, cuz Spike doesn't think Whites shouldn't sit and eat at lunch counters and should only enter restaurants through service entry. You're a maroon.
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bailey78:
^Your a racist arnt you^
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bailey78:
Am I? Impossible...I'm not White.
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bailey78:
What does being White have to do with being a racest?
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bailey78
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bailey78:
Racism is institutionalized power and use of said power for the leaning interests of the majority group over other minority groups. In the U.S., since I'm a minority that hasn't created the power structure here, I cannot be racist. The word you are looking for is bigot.
Think back to sociology class...if you don't recall, enroll in one.
- 2 years ago
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Spike Lee is definitely a more dynamic producer and writer. i don't really like tyler perry movies so much but he has a way with he heart of women. Madea is silly and ridiculous as hell its like a cross between Borat and big mommas house at times. As an African American I'm glad Spike Lee came out and spoke on the subject but if Tyler Perry can defend his case... good luck.
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Kay_Bee
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Well my grandmother is nothing like Madea so maybe I'm just out of touch.
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Uh oh, black on black snide.
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EdJoyProductions:
as opposed to white on white snide?
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EdJoyProductions:
It was a play on black on black crime. I thought it was funny. I am a Spike Lee fan and not so crazy about Tyler Perry, but I see his appeal. I am not taking sides on this one, just interjecting a silly comment. :)
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Tyler Perry's movies ARE coonish and buffoonery. Wasn't it Dave Chappelle who said if a Black man wants to make it in Hollywood, he has to put on a dress? The sad part is Tyler Perry is a director and still, he chooses to don the dress.
Its a sad state, if you ask me. The fact hat the Tyler Perry was the richest profiting actor last year makes me think his audience really eat up his sap stories of "God, faith, love and family..." The Black church crowd eat that shit alive. He's not as provocative as much as he is familiar with his themes created for Black people. Its all been done before, time and again, though...even his character Madea is named after a Greek woman who "stood up for herself".
When Tyler Perry takes off the dress, then maybe I'll see him as more credible, but I gotta ride with Spike on this one. I guess Mr. Perry is willing to sell whatever it takes to never have to live in a car again...at the end of the day, Hollywood loves clowns like him, though...he makes Blacks look like buffoons. The problem with Perry's comments at the end is he lacks a counter-balance to the characters of his movies. The focal point is him, the clown in the dress...
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HaloedGriot:
Thought I'd clarify, "Madea" is simply a common southern expression; also found as Madear or Maddie, it's a shortened form of "Mother Dear".
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HaloedGriot:
Madea is usually just the comic relief in Tyler Perry's movies. Most of his movies are telling women, for the most part, that they have value and not to let anyone misuse or abuse them. I don't see how that is a bad thing ?
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who is tyler perry? oh wait he's the one who dresses in drag in most of his movies right?
Spike Lee for the win
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Nephwrack:
If you want to know about Tyler Perry, google him..He plays serious roles also..He is very talented, and have teamed up with Oprah to make a movie..Spike Lee is just hating.
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Michael_Thomas
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I DON'T AGREE, THESE MOVIES ARE VERY GOOD AND FOR A PERSON WHO CAN NOT RELATE TO SAY THEY DON'T LIKE IT IS CRAZY. IT WOULD BE LIKE IF I SAID A WHITE MOVIE WAS STUPIE BECAUSE IT WAS SHOWING HOW THINGS REALLY ARE IN THERE LIKE. I HAVE A GRANDMOTHER LIKE MADEA AN I HAVE GONE THROUGH SOME OF THE SAME THINGS~SO STOP HATEN!
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