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Survey shows pain of recession for artists

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More than 5,300 practitioners in fields like painting, filmmaking and architecture participated in the online survey, a larger response than expected, providing a detailed look at the state of the country’s artists, a group that the Census Bureau numbers at more than two million.

Many of the findings — that working artists tend to work day jobs to support themselves; that more than a third don’t have adequate health insurance; that musicians and architects tend to do better than writers and painters — simply provide statistical support for what artists themselves have long known.

But it also found that the recession has been exceptionally tough for many artists. Eighteen percent of those who responded said their income had dropped 50 percent or more in the last year.

The researchers found that in general very few artists’ incomes approach six figures. While the majority of artists have college degrees, only 6 percent said they earned $80,000 or more.

Esther Robinson, a Brooklyn filmmaker whose 2007 documentary, “A Walk Into the Sea: Danny Williams and the Warhol Factory,” was partly paid for with credit cards, money later recouped with an advance from a distributor, said, “This year there are almost no advances available for the same kind of film that is of a certain quality and that is theatrically releasable.”

Ms. Robinson, who also runs a nonprofit arts organization that she founded, said that she was concentrating on short films because “I don’t see a way to finance any of the feature ideas I have for documentaries right now.”

Perhaps because artists tend to have an idealistic bent, the survey found, however, that many also reported upsides to the downturn: that it has given them freedom to experiment and to spend more time on their art when avenues for making money are closed.
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61 comments // Survey shows pain of recession for artists

  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • Some artists I know have switched to small works , closed studios . People still need some beauty to feel the soul in hard times . I am switching to portraits .

    • 1 year ago
  • UrbanGypsy
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      UrbanGypsy  
    • People spend money on the arts when they have money they can spend on luxuries. But when the bad times come a-rolling, people become more stingy. It's pretty dumb to spend money on the arts when you are worried about making your payments on time...

    • 2 years ago
  • JonRaymond
  • UrbanGypsy
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    • UrbanGypsy:

      You are right there. I was thinking more about theater or other types of performances like musical events... those artists are suffering much more I think. Movies are relatively cheap when compared to going to a Broadway show or a Music concert I would think.

    • 2 years ago
  • d4rk0ne88
  • ysabellemay
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      ysabellemay  
    • I don't fit the profile at all! A year ago when everybody got really nervous about the economy, I rolled up my sleeves and produce amazing works. I had my best year . It's a state of mind... believe it or not. Get to work, believe in yourself, everything else will follow. This is my reality...

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • JonRaymond
  • JonRaymond
  • blknight
  • achanceforpeace
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      achanceforpeace  
    • Survey says! : duh! I'm an artist and documentary filmmaker as well and I gotta say its a damn shame audiences in all areas of the arts are shrinking away. I understand its a tough climate to take risks, but since when was enjoying the world and its beauty a risk?

    • 2 years ago
  • SageRockandRoll
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      SageRockandRoll  
    • Oh the new york times. Once more showing when they have nothing to talk about they dive into the obvious. Look this is nothing new. I'd actually be more surprised if people were surprised by this.

    • 2 years ago
  • jfill
  • Richard_Shaw
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      Richard_Shaw  
    • The problems are many. The distributers are themselves a problem, where many of them have closed their independent film divisions and sought larger, multi-million dollar blockbusters to keep their businesses going. Slow pay, or distributors who only do part of their distribution agreements and renege on the rest have caused problems for this producer/director. Other distributors have simply gone under in this recession and that also hits hard. The distributors have had all the power and little accountability -- creating a situation where good filmmakers are turning to other distribution venues, but it still takes a major PR push and the money that goes into it. The music scene has also been torn apart by the electronic wave, and budgets are only a fraction of what they once were.

      When we emerge from all this mayhem, it is going to clear out a lot of cobwebs and humble many of the once all-powerful companies who took regular advantage of artists. At the same time, budgets and expectations are currently leaner and meaner than they ever have been before, with prices dropping to levels once seen in the 70's and 80's.

    • 2 years ago
  • 02
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    • Richard_Shaw:

      Film is expensive - the venue includes an audience and you have to be a winner. No backers are trying to throw their money away. They bet on winners.

      This doesn't have much to do with artists and bad times.

    • 2 years ago
  • mojojuju
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      mojojuju  
    • Perhaps for some of these artists just scraping to get by it's time to pursue a career that pays the bills and just pursue their art as a hobby for now.

    • 2 years ago
  • calm_incense
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      calm_incense  
    • Well, duh. Even though I love music more than anything else (and likely more than 99% of the population), I still had enough sense to foresee the reality of being a "starving artist", and that was *before* the recession.

      Someone earlier commented that this weeds out the "uncommitted" artists. But from what I've seen, the reality is more such that it allows the rich kids whose parents able to fund them to keep doing whatever they're doing, while those who don't have such a wealthy background have no option but to drop art in favor of something that will put food on the table.

    • 2 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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    • If one were to play high level music - one would find that the daily maintenance of the athleticism required for high skill would be impossible without being able to support the practice time.
      It's an all or nothing thing. But I guess you guys can listen to re-sampled techno-twinkle, and that's ok - right?

      Why have a brain when you can get your beer-money without it.

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
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    • 02:

      hey don't bash resampled techno too much (I resample disco pieces into house music occasionally), as for composition live instruments are great for things like disco for example, I even teamed up with a pianist to do midi on some remix tracks. It depends on the needs of the producer I guess or more often their desire to make good improvised music.

    • 2 years ago
  • jfill
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      jfill  
    • 02:

      please name drop some "high level music" for shits and giggles. and while you're at it what about some stuff you classify as "re-sampled techno-twinkle" you know just for fun. please.

    • 2 years ago
  • 02
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      Music can be played on a high level exactly as sports. If you're not putting three/four or more hours a day, you're just not as good as when you are.

      And you need your mind on it.

      You know, the subject is art - not clubbing.

      How low a level would you have art constrained?

      It's like saying, you know what you like - and you don't need nothin' new getting in the way.

    • 2 years ago
  • jfill
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      jfill  
    • 02:

      it baffles me that people that obviously have some sort of passion for music can just write off entire genre's. look at it with some context next time, quit picking on dance music because it does exactly what its meant to do.

      everyone's music sucks to somebody, but try looking at it with less of an elitist attitude. appreciate it for what it is, and spare me the cheap shots and generalization.

    • 2 years ago
  • 02
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      Sorry, techno music, machine generated, etc - may provide a venue to get you laid - but it isn't the stuff.
      If this were sports - and you had developed yourself to an astounding level of perfection and really knew exactly what it takes to be on that very high level, you wouldn't go for some guy's rant about how his sports-video games are just as cool.

      They aren't. No "competition"

      I don't think it's me who's not getting it.

    • 2 years ago
  • calm_incense
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      Unfortunately, there my brother, when I click on the tunes I get an exclamation point in the field and no sound.

      Your site presentation is careful and appears as though there might be beauty awaiting.

      But no sound.

      This thread was talking about the woes to art from the financial mess. -I mentioned music and we have a reaction.

      I was talking about what it takes for a player - or performer to continue his/her art when paying the bills disallows the necessary time. -That art itself must perish.

      Of course, art can be any media - including sound and including resampled sounds. But playing an instrument, excelled playing - takes all, or more effort than any other highly excelled physical endeavor. Dance, for instance. Some sports, if at the very top.

      The idea is the highly excelled. Full development.

      Compare weight lifting - you work out until you're super-duper man and compete against Schwarzeneger - all is good but if you lay out, those little muscles go down. Way down. You're out of the competition. You're laughed off the stage.

      You got to be - right there. With a musical instrument, your muscular system, vascular system, ligaments and tendons - your mind -

      While everybody else is having fun, and having a life - you're putting in the hours.

      No hours, no good.

      It's called keeping your chops up.

    • 2 years ago
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  • calm_incense
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      Ah, crap. I'm telling you, maintaining a website - no matter how simple - is a pain in the ass. Files just arbitrarily stop working. -_-

      Well, guess I'll have to resort to good ol' YouTube. Not as spiffy, but at least trustworthy and reliable (link above).

      Oh, and I don't actually know any Japanese, so any apparent kanji would have been unintentional...

    • 2 years ago
  • 02
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      Hi - I listened to many. If I were to offer critique, it would be involved and friendly comments on each piece. I like your piano playing. If they are played straight through, you were well-practiced for each piece. It's all very good.
      I made a movie and a friend came over to do the keyboard work. We got Nuendo and Giga Studio. He also had fun, for himself, putting some pieces together with the Giga strings, etc.
      I did enjoy your piano very much.

    • 2 years ago
  • calm_incense
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    • 02:

      Hm, I suppose I should have clarified that I was referring to their compositional merits, rather than their musicianship.

      I'll explain why in my response to your next comment. :x

    • 2 years ago
  • Willowguy
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      Willowguy  
    • I have immediate possibilities for all of us. I'll be happy to share it with any artists who feel like this economic downturn has disadvantages for them. I'm reminded of Dorthea Lang emerging from the great depression. The really cool thing about artists is that we have chosen to lead extraordinary lives. If you, like me have come to the conclusion that your greatest works are streaming out of you right now, I have a vision for you. Feel free to contact me if you're interested.

    • 2 years ago
  • 24French
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      24French  
    • Tough times, true. And yet business right now might be tougher. Or lawyering. If you're getting a law degree now, you might want to brush up on your ceramics as a fall-back. Want to be a stockbroker? A side business of painting might see you through those jobless years.

    • 2 years ago
  • indecisiveh
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      indecisiveh  
    • These are the times we artists need to get a day job or a backup skill and do our thing for the love of art and music. Now, on the other hand Painters, and Writers specifically, have a lot more problems to deal with than just the recession. Having to deal with a increasingly paperless society leads to some tough questions that need to be answered.

    • 2 years ago
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    • indecisiveh:

      Yeah, great art has to receive funds - in our world. Period. Free seems fun - but when the great works are no longer - as in 100% no longer, - is that the way?

    • 2 years ago
  • NexRL
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      NexRL  
    • When times turn bad who do people turn to? Artists! having said that times are tough yes but with doing what RaceBannon said with banding together with other artists in your respective field them you can make it by. I am a filmmaker still in school so I am trying to stay optimistic. Anybody need a music video made for free? I just love doing what I do even if it is for hardly nothing.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • calm_incense
  • sirpaulmcdarkney
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    • NexRL:

      Same here. myspace.com/stilllifestatic
      We're desperate for a video for 'I Hate Rappers".
      We're thinking of putting it out as a contest for up and coming filmmakers, students, etc. I figure having a couple of videos to show (and have the audience vote on as their favorite) would be extra incentive to get people out to an EP release party!

    • 2 years ago
  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  
    • my advice is band together with other artist, form groups or move in together. I started a a small record label with some fellow djs (its the same hustle, trust me) and I can tell you the stress is lower when you know there's 7 other people who are working to make sure you thrive and vice versa. This should be a model for freelancers who have found it a big distraction to be businessman and artist at the same time.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • RaceBannon
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      RaceBannon  
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    • RaceBannon:

      art, don't give up the plan. Depending on what you're type of music making there's tons of ways to promote your music or artist. A lot of the music blogs like www.rcrdlbl.com offer new artist a chance to promote new material and benefit from a weekly "buzz". Lastly the help you'll need you may have to create, introduce them to the music and make them a believer. Thats a tough one but its doable... good luck brother

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • nursediesel
  • Tyrannous
  • RaceBannon
  • meowsk
  • versasrev
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • Hard times require more of you creative problem solving skills . People do not realize how important art is . Just because you have less , it does not mean you must impoverish your soul . Beauty makes life bearable in hard times . We are still needed . Stay centered in yourself and have hope .

    • 2 years ago
  • MissKittyKat
  • jfill
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      jfill  
    • times change, so should methods of promotion and distribution. if people aren't buying maybe you should sell something else?

    • 2 years ago
  • redvelvet1278
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      redvelvet1278  
    • jfill:

      jfill, i totally agree that as an artist it benifits you to be flexible and stretch your mind in times like these. what sucks is if you have been painting 8ft x 10ft paintings all your life and now have to survive off of more sellable prints etc- your brain doesnt just automatically adjust your creativity to make something smaller. you cant force yourself to have a good, more marketable, idea. it may happen and it may not. what you have to be willing to do, as a professor once told me is 'drive a cab and ride it out' or some form of alternative.

    • 2 years ago
  • skystarz222
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      skystarz222  
    • jfill:

      Art isn't a commodity or consumer good that is governed by marketability. It is expression. However, I do think that high quality prints are an option we should all think about.

    • 2 years ago
  • jfill
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      jfill  
    • jfill:

      definition of art: check.

      i bet all artists would agree with you on that.
      however, not everyone that gets paid from the arts is an artist. those people do see it as a product. and when anything is sold its "governed by marketability".

    • 2 years ago
  • Minus5scenePoints
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      Minus5scenePoints  
    • Thanks for posting this. it's sadly comforting to read this. to know im not the only one having a rough time. though, i did do much better over a year ago, selling my work. it's much slower now. i feel, in a hard time such as these you just have to 'whore' your self a lot more. And artist have a hard time doing that!

    • 2 years ago
  • opekktur
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      opekktur  
    • In BC (Canada) the provincial government cut arts funding by almost 90% (it was about 47 million in 2008). They did however have no trouble finding the money to pay for a new roof for a Vancouver stadium (about 500 million. For one roof.)

      When confronted about this "problem" (an understatement), the government explained that the cuts were necessary to care for the homeless, of course AFTER signing the check of 500 million.

      It may sound like a little problem in a Canadian town, but this is just an example of a mentality, a prejudice even, that is worldwide.

    • 2 years ago
  • mixmaster
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      mixmaster  
    • i seem to be a starving artist before the recession and while people are still buying ed hardy and gucci also 200 - 400 dollar sneakers, new lexus and bmw's, i think its a lie thier are people who struggle and people who dont know the feeling and things change for people on both sides and does any body have the solution tell me immediately please for the love of this earthling from planet earth

    • 2 years ago
  • LowShred
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      LowShred  
    • I just got back from a concert for a pretty well known band. The place was dead and tickets were only $10. Kinda sad really.

    • 2 years ago
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