The existential loneliness that unites Batman and the Joker
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Ron Novy, a lecturer at the University of Central Arkansas, argues that what Batman and the Joker have in common are formative traumas that highlight how easily order can slip away. Bruce Wayne, of course, saw his parents killed in front of him as a child, thus learning an unwelcome lesson about how peace can be upturned and the law can fail.
Novy draws on Alan Moore's semi-canonical Batman: The Killing Joke to explain how the Joker's experience mirrors Batman's own. In Killing Joke, the man who'll become the Joker is a struggling stand-up comic forced to turn to crime. His pregnant wife dies just before a botched break-in at a chemical plant, where the comedian falls into a vat of chemicals that turn him into a chalk-faced, green-haired ghoul. Seeing his reflection, his mind finally breaks, and a villain is born.
Throughout Killing Joke, the Joker keeps returning to his theory that "one bad day" is all it takes for a morally upright person to access their depraved side. If anyone can sympathize, Novy points out (as have others), it's the prematurely orphaned Bruce Wayne.
By Novy's lights, Batman and the Joker have each "glimpsed behind the curtain of appearances," learning all too well how artificial, and easily broken, are the rules and codes that keep the world running smoothly. The difference lies in how they use their insights. One fights to preserve the system; the other takes a jackhammer to it.
Novy doesn't mention The Dark Knight, possibly because that movie makes too much of the hero-villain kinship to support his conclusions. Even so, his essay and Heath Ledger's anarchic portrayal of the Joker — by turns acerbic, childlike, barbarous, and oddly feminine, as if he were bored even with the unwritten rules about how a man should walk or talk — seem to be in a kind of accidental dialogue.
At one point, Ledger's Joker is called crazy, and he flatly refutes it: "I'm not. No, I'm not." It's the most serious we'll see him in the whole movie. If anything, Ledger's Joker believes he's the sanest guy around. He understands things on a level that almost no one else does — the only other person operating without illusions is Batman himself.
It's that shared alienation, Novy suggests, that makes Batman and the Joker such perfectly matched foes. Though it's a bone-deep character trait that they only have in common with each other, it's also what drives their struggle — what Novy calls "a relationship without which each one would cease to be who he now is." Or as the Joker puts it in The Dark Night, "I think you and I are destined to do this forever."
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remanns
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A Struggle at the bottom of the "dark night of the soul" between tragic-comic manic rage and the knight of discipline and purpose and will. Both alone with each other down there trying to fight it out. Thank you Alan Moore. And thanks for posting this.
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remanns
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samthesixth
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Mental masturbation from a professor who doesn't know the real world exists.
- 2 years ago
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samthesixth
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unimatrix0
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samthesixth:
mental masturbation is often the best masturbation my friend
enjoy!
- 2 years ago
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unimatrix0
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desertcat
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Why don't those two just come out of the closet and admit their love for each? Or at least meet in a Minnesota airport bathroom like God Fearing Republicans do.
- 2 years ago
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desertcat
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PajamaDan
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This is why I've always cherished the Batman world and mythos --- the books always hold insight into OUR psyche. And like Holmes and Moriarty,... these two characters not only need each other, but represent real-world struggles.
(And by "I've always cherished Batman",... I mean the books, the 90s cartoons and the first 2 films - NOT THIS LAST REMAKE/RIPOFF FILM!!!) - 2 years ago
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PajamaDan
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ryan8566
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all this time i thought Batman was getting it on with Robin in the Batcave.
- 2 years ago
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ryan8566
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MizPiz
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ryan8566:
I wouldn't rule that out
http://www.bigozine2.com/features08/Aimages/TZbatmanpics/batbed.png - 2 years ago
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MizPiz
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unimatrix0
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A narrative free from overt Christian symbolism and metaphor is always refreshing.
Both Joker and Batman manage to transcend the mundane, and in their respective profanity find something sacred.
In their transcendence they stand together, apart from the rest.
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unimatrix0
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remanns
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unimatrix0:
Well stated.
- 2 years ago
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remanns
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Lecti
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I really enjoyed the scene where Heath Ledger says, 'So this is what happens when an immovable object meets an unstoppable force'. I thought that summed it up nicely because I always thought of Batman in this way where he's constantly battling the natural state of entropy around him, and this line turns that on its head.
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Lecti
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AtomUniverse1
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Batman-Joker, just like the relationship between Good and Evil, you can't have one without the other and when the two meet you get perfect equilibrium or in the Dark Knight's case a kick ass movie!!
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AtomUniverse1
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Saladin
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AtomUniverse1:
The movie itself is a refutation of good and evil, because what batman does is necessarily evil.
That was the whole point.
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Saladin
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remanns
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AtomUniverse1:
I think "evil" is tangential to the primary themes; a side effect. For example,..as "evil" would not be CAUSAL to an Israeli / Palestinian tit for tat painted by a broad evil brush; it is more about rage, desperation, heavy handed extreme measures, vigilante acts,....retribution,.... conflict itself...etc. If anything is a CAUSAL "evil",....its the darkness within surrounding the protagonists and their acceptance of it. ( A mental health cautionary tale/parable, not a morality primer .)
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remanns
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Kamilo
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There's a lot more too this. Batman has shown a level of compassion for his villains several times. In Arkham Asylum Serious House on Serious Earth he reverses months of psychological progress on Two-Face by giving him back his coin and the dependency which came with it. And of course there's his on again off again relationship with Catwoman. Then again, none of this matters anymore as Bruce Wayne isn't even Batman anymore.
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Kamilo
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Saladin
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These were the kinds of issues the movie brought up that made it so popular, even if no one could fully voice that feeling.
All film should be equally as deep.
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Saladin
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jessebanjo
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I think we all knew this deep down inside- but im glad that this guy finally found the right words to explain it.
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