Marijuana - Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way (History Channel)
source: http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/illegal-drugs-and-how-they-got-tha...
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5 videos, 42 minutes. Concise and accurate - a great use of the Freedom of Speech, IMO.
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Conniepae
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I think your disillusionment is misplaced. The ‘so called’ traditional hippies were accomplishing something with their message of peace. Richard Nixon went to draconian measures to shut them up. He started a war on them via cannabis.
The ‘so called’ traditional hippies of which you speak, used common sense and realized Richard Nixon was willing to cross the line and spin disinformation, while mainstream media remained silent, or willing participants. Martyrs can’t get jobs, feed their families, etc. At that point in time, people only knew what they were being told on the nightly news. And the nightly news were active participants in the spin of Richard Nixon. I often wonder if they were participants out of fear? Fear of becoming targets? Once the ‘anti-drug’ warriors started spinning disinformation, anyone who disagreed was labeled ‘druggie’. ‘Druggie’ became the ‘Commi’ of the 60’s and early 70’s.I grew up in the 70’s. I didn’t know about America’s positive hemp past. I didn’t know what had been said about cannabis, by great leaders of our past. I didn’t know the wonders of hemp. I thought it was a plant, veterans were bringing back from Vietnam. I didn’t know cannabis had medicinal qualities, other than ‘it helped me tie a knot, when I needed to’. The first time I read the ‘Serenity Prayer’, I thought, how profound. That’s what cannabis does for me. Did ya ever hear, ‘when you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on’? Cannabis hemp makes the best rope, mentally and physically.
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Conniepae
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Bushido
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Perhaps I am disillusioned by the apparent lack of accomplishment from the traditional hippie during a time when, despite all their bravado, they failed to get anything accomplished at all. Frankly, I wish the government would legalize all vices. It is a matter of personal liberty. I just know that as soon as they do a brand new generation will develop, who instead of trying to change things, smokes their lives away in self-medicated apathy, much like drunkards do. Then we lose another group to selfish indifference. I prefer the population pissed off rather than high. It makes for a better revolution.
Al Gore? The king of climate change propaganda? You realize that he has invested millions into green business right? I doubt he has done this out of the goodness of his heart. He knows that if you can scare enough people, they will buy your product. The truth of the matter is that Manbearpig is not real. Climate change can be explained by something as simple as the sun's gravitational pull on earth. Current, and if you listen to him, "the internet" are the only decent things to come from this guy. Although, the recent censorship on this website is threatening to destroy even that accomplishment.
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Bushido
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nirvanalicious
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who found out about marijuana??
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nirvanalicious
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Conniepae
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Bushido, I wish I could argue your points, but we agree on far too much of what you stated. Your view of potheads, leaves a little to be desired. Where did you gain such a negative opinion of cannabis and those who consume it? If you met me, you would not know I ever smoked cannabis. Dirty hippies, smoking cannabis is not truthful. Many people who smoke cannabis, are' not' easily recognizable. Don't judge an entire subject by the few who are willing to admit they consume cannabis. Many are in the closet because they have jobs, which require drug testing. In America, one can loose their job, due to consuming cannabis in the privacy of their own homes, on their own time. That's just crazy. Drug testing has silenced many voices in America. One does not have to be bad at their job to loose it. Many times urine means more than abilities..
As far as political parties, I think politics in America has been taken over by special interests on both sides. Too many politicians choose politics over people. I wanted Al Gore for President and Chuck Hagel for V.P. I wanted both parties to run the country and end the politics of division.
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Conniepae
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Bushido
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"You may not think we need environmentally friendly products, but that's your opinion and you are free to not buy any environmentally friendly products. This is still a free country."
"Environmentally friendly" products are merely a scam predicated on the myth that is global warming to make the rich even richer. Marijuana legalization would come about naturally if we fixed the system that relies on greed and corruption in order to function.
They (media, government, lobbyists) fan the flames of hysteria about another cataclysm and out of terror over losing our mundane but passable existences, we eat up every piece of shit they sell, further perpetuating the corruption through the direct funding of it. Y2K, terrorism, global pandemic, economic collapse, 2012....AHHHH!!!
What do we do? I know! Let's install more security to better monitor the "threat", tax the hell out of the citizens to save the banks, dump more money into Big Pharma to fight "disease", spread global warming hype to sell Al Gore backed services and products to make him and his puppet master rich.
I voted for Obama, but after seeing how he has catered to Corporate America as much as he has, I am close to relegating him to George W. Bush status. At least Bush had ignorance and simple-mindedness as an excuse. Obama is too smart to not see what is really going on.
As far as me "frying" the bigger fish goes, I would love to. The problem is that instead of fixing the system, too many potheads are selfishly focused on a single symptom of the overwhelmingly infected and dying "democratic" establishment that is the U.S. Much like the pathetic hippies of the 60's and 70's, they cannot see past their next hit in order to bring about true change at the top instead of trying to hack away at a single hydra head in futility.
Movements need numbers. Numbers require people to be angry, lose the apathy, and most importantly, take action. We are all too worried about our joints and iPhones to care, it would seem. You may claim that it is a free country, but what do you base this theory on? That we're not China? Give it time...
“Men in general judge more by the sense of sight than by the sense of touch, because everyone can see, but only a few can test by feeling. Everyone sees what you seem to be, few know what you really are, and those few do not dare take a stand against the general opinion.”
“Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions”
- Niccolo Machiavelli
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Bushido
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Johnll
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Bushido:
You make a point, but do not include all Americans in that category. Some of us think that if Americans want to really make a change,that they would get off their fat behind and do just that instead they just see the capitalistic side of all things(like what's in it for me...)
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Johnll
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Johnll
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Bushido:
You must be mistaken about George W. Bush, I believe it was he that got us( the U>S.) in this mess in the first place not Al Gore...
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Johnll
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Bushido
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The hippies were full of shit. Most of them have grown up and taken jobs with the corporations they so clumsily rallied against, I don't blame people for not listening to them. It is hard to take a shabbily dressed, dirty pothead, too concerned with their next high, seriously.
I am not saying that the War on Drugs is not bullshit, but as the saying goes "We have bigger fish to fry" when our economy has all but collapsed due to corporate greed, the income disparity keeps growing, the global warming nuts keep pushing their agenda to sell more "green" products to an unsuspecting public, and our civil liberties are being stripped from us one Patriot Act at a time. I suppose this is all okay, though as long as the potheads can self-medicate themselves all the while.
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Bushido
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Conniepae
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Bushido:
Bushido, if you think there are bigger fish to fry, why are you participating in a conversation, when you should be 'frying fish'? You may not think we need environmentally friendly products, but that's your opinion and you are free to not buy any environmentally friendly products. This is still a free country.
As far as the patriot act, I agree. I think the patriot act has taken away many of the things we hold dear, personal freedom. George W. Bush is responsible for the mess we are in today! Granted I don't see as much from President Obama, that will right the wrongs of George W. as I would like, but it has only been a year. We still have three years to go. Who knows?
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Conniepae
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Xenzaka
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I prefer marijuana for Crohn's disease. When do I get it? Will I ever get it? I could use it. But without it, the torturous days are fantastic.
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Xenzaka
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bombastinator
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Xenzaka:
Chrons? Ulcerous colitis? What do you do? Stuff it up your butt? I thought there are diets and medications that actually control it.
http://www.webmd.com/ibd-crohns-disease/crohns-disease/tc/crohns-disease-medicat...I guess i could see it for pain control in cases of fistulas or other really severe symptoms. What would it do other than that though?
I ask because it runs in my family and I am quite likely to develop it.
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bombastinator
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jswiz
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Cali support AB 390 , go to norml.com to help get this bill passed they vote on it Jan 12
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BUSHIT
If you had listened to hippies we would be burning HEMP OIL and Dubai would still be a pile of sand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Conniepae
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ras_menelik:
nailed it!
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Conniepae
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ras_menelik:
I'm not sure I agree about the hemp oil but the Dubai comment may be correct. Assuming you think Carter is a hippy, which I'm sure he would disagree with.
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bombastinator
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Bushido
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This is exactly why I hate crybaby potheads. Our country is falling apart at the seams due to corrupt politicians, corporate greed, and insanely complex international conspiracies and all they can think about is getting their weed legalized. If the hippies hadn't spent so much time blazed out of their minds in the 60's and 70's, they may have actually accomplished something worthwhile.
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Bushido
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conclusius
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Bushido:
are you kidding me? the American Drug War is one such product of corruption in the government, and it's about time we ended it. you also realize that if the government decided to tax marijuana, billions of dollars could be revenued?
and yeah, accomplished something. right. maybe something like Not Vietnam.
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conclusius
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Conniepae
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Bushido:
Only a 'small mind' would think the cannabis hemp discussion is only 'hippies wanting to get high'. Get a life. Cannabis hemp is far more than a recreational drug. Hippies can get their weed whether it's legal, or not. Mature adults would be capable of having a discussion based on fact. Spinning 'high hippies' is just that, 'spinning'. Just stop it!
Bushido, I don't know if you were trying to be rude, or did you think you were being wise? I pick rude, cause that comment certainly did not fall into the 'wise' category.
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Conniepae
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asherp
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Added to, and featured in Free Documentaries
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asherp
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bombastinator
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underthebus you need to learn what the word "news" means. This is the second time you seem to have pulled this one that I've seen.
Something published in 2007 is not news in 2010.
I appreciate that you seem to have a brand new website that you are apparently trying to drum up business for, but please do not inflict your catch up on the news channel. There are plenty of other tags to use.
Btw if that site is hosting this in the US 'The history channel" is going to want some money from them.
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bombastinator
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conclusius
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bombastinator:
timeliness (as in how recent) is only one factor of news.
I didn't know about this documentary before I saw the post, therefore it's news to me.
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conclusius
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bombastinator:
you may also find it news that Queen elisebeth the first was famous for being kind of a bitch and was famous for throwing her shoes at her advisers when she was a child.
This is not news either. It's history.
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bombastinator
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conclusius
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bombastinator:
Queen Elisabeth also has NOTHING to do with ANY sort of modern issue or topic.
nice try.
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conclusius
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underthebus
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bombastinator:
Actually I submitted it to "movies". But I certainly admit I have some learning to do when it comes to Current, I am brand new here, though my website is not. Thanks for the kind suggestions.
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underthebus
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Conniepae
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bombastinator:
underthebus, don't let bombastinator affect you. Thank you for your post!!! bombastinator is just another person who is one of many. His opinion is just that, his opinion. Some posters think rude is acceptable? I beg to disagree! I appreciate whatever one considers news! Thank you for your post and I look forward to more posts and comments from you in the future. Current is an open forum. bombastinator is welcome to his opinion, but he is in no way reflective of current in general. Some are rude by nature and judging by his comment to you?? Welcome to current!
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Conniepae
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bombastinator:
Why thank you - I was going to ask you if i could put one of your comments (re George Washington, etc) on the blog post? It is quite priceless.
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underthebus
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Conniepae
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bombastinator:
http://current.com/items/89792690_on-role-models-and-their-bongs.htm
The Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and John Adams quotes came to me via. Jack Herer, who got them from Huffington Post. Share, share, share.
They are certainly quotes I love to share. Take a look at the link and see what others had to say.
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Conniepae
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bombastinator
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bombastinator:
Ah, nothing and anything. Words to be careful of. I made what I thought was a pertinent reference to Q.E. the 1st just a week or two ago. It was a comparison of the old Taliban government's protection of Al Qaeda and queen Elizabeth's protection of Sir Francis Drake, and the similarity of the wars the behavior started. IIRC I was explaining what a proxy war was.
Neither is pertinent though. My point was that if news is anything anyone does not at the moment know it comprises basically the entirety of human knowledge.
News is important current events. If the program was just released, ore even say being replayed, or had just been replayed, that would be news. It's mere existence is not news, though it might become news if something in particular that was news came up that it was related to in some way. "this exists and is a counterpoint to this current event" for instance.
Movies is a great tag. So are hemp, law, documentary, and several others.
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bombastinator
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Conniepae
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bombastinator:
bombastinator, many have limited time at current. I personally only have the time and desire to browse the news section. To each their own. I can't understand your problem. Current isn't mainstream media, only covering the spin of the day. It's a community of individuals sharing interests and opinions. I have been coming to current for a couple years now and you are the first person I have seen who cares so much about the use of the 'news' tag. Why? Nothing stays in the news section more than a few news cycles, just like MSM.
Jack Herer has posted many articles, which I would like to see recycled on the 'news' page, so those who weren't here when they were originaly posted can read and learn, 'news' they missed the first time around. http://current.com/users/JackHerer.htm
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Conniepae
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conclusius
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bombastinator:
oh my. I made a hideously general statement that you easily destroyed, but neglected to really strengthen your initial argument. (comparing Queen Elisabeth to the Taliban is nothing but that. a comparison. it is not news.)
so, fine. I'll rephrase.
Wow. this documentary is incredibly insightful and a valuable resource when discussing the legalization of marijuana, which is an arguably important modern issue. therefore, it should be distributed, and given attention.
are you satisfied bombastinator? or do you want to get all word-picky again?
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conclusius
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bombastinator:
>"I have seen who cares so much about the use of the 'news' tag."<
I've seen several people that do it. You probably just don't read those sections. This whole argument has happened before. If tags don't matter then why have them? Obviously they do matter or you would never have replied in the first place. Your argument fails by the very fact that you are making it.Though this wasn't the only place, as it happens I also had this same argument with jack Herer way back when for reposting the same stuff as news time and time again on a more or less monthly basis. At that point it stops being news and starts being advertising. If this is the case start a Jack Herer group and do it that way. You seem to have the FOX disease. Why have journalistic ethics? News and political education are not the same thing. Spare me your cross marketing attempts.
As it happens this is a non argument because the original poster has already commented on the matter. He stated that the thing was supposed to go into movies.
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bombastinator
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Conniepae
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bombastinator:
We really aren't journalists. We don't have to follow the guides of those who choose to control what 'is' and 'is not' news. Sorry, but I remember when you had the dispute with Jack Herer, I disagreed then also.
As long as people are working to change the 'war on cannabis', any facts which have not made it to mainstream are new facts to some, or things would have changed already.
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Conniepae
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bombastinator
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bombastinator:
Journalists don't actually have to either. Witness FOX. They merely should. When they stop doing so they lose credibility and the respect of others.
You appear to hold a "the ends justify the means" attitude about pushing your agenda. Do you really expect anyone to approve of that who isn't already one of the fanatically converted?
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Conniepae
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bombastinator:
If people start talking about facts, when discussing cannabis hemp, I think the 'ends would justify the means'. I'm not trying to be a journalist. I have to formal writing skills, so journalism is out of the question. I just think it's time to end the madness and trying to educate the masses and share facts, justifies the means. Just sayin .....
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Conniepae
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Conniepae
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American politicians have used 'madness' for too long. They know, yet they continue to spin disinformation. I don't know if it is ignorance, or finances, but they are wrong to spin 'madness' without 'real' facts to back up their 'madness'. It's time to hold politicians accountable! Cannabis hemp is illegal, because they refuse to really address the facts. Shame on them!
Here are a few gems of 'madness' from Presidents of our recent past:
"I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast" - Ronald Reagan
In a textbook example of fear manipulation, Nixon warned the country that a plague of unimaginable proportions was about to engulf the nation. “The problem has assumed the dimensions of a national emergency,” he said. To fight the pushers on their own terms, he would need emergency powers — preventive detention, unorthodox strike forces, more freedom to search, wire tap, and arrest.
Here are a few gems of 'wisdom' from Presidents of our early years, before spin and disinformation became the norm:
"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica." - Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)
"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
- George Washington, U.S. President"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."
- John Adams, U.S. PresidentWho do you believe? Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan? Or, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and John Adams? I personally believe Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington and Adams! It's time to choose! We can't afford to follow the course of 'madness'. The costs are too high.
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Conniepae
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N_Dank
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fuck so many decades of lies
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N_Dank:
such as the implication that an illegal rip of a two year old documentary is "news"? No?
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N_Dank:
Get over it. As long as people are going to jail, based on the failings of a fallen leader, who lied in the first place, it's news! As long as the masses do not know, Richard Nixon knew his policies were based on lies and disinformation, it's news!
If you don't think it's news to you, 'move along' to news you judge as news. I want people talking about it! I want people to share facts about cannabis hemp, not stifled because someone thinks it's old news. That's just crazy.
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Conniepae
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Johnll
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Well i think it was Harry J. Anslinger that got Richard M. Nixon in on the gig...
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Johnll
