Soldiers Angry At Hollywood

Ironic.

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exactly

if people want to see real war i suggest they enlist

you've got to be the most ignorant bag of douche i've ever seen on current. i can not believe you actually said that. go read a book, pick up a newspaper, something, learn about how this country works. obviously public education failed you

Steal your tax money? What does your tax money go towards and the percentage break down? I know your taxes support roads, public health, law enforcement, libraries, the military, social security. Many of these things you benefit from.

Ironically, you voted in to office the political leaders that made the decision to go to war and give the military the orders. Which is what you are calling systematic murder in your opinion.

Why should anybody have to respect "those who put their lives on the line"? A bungee jumper puts their life on the line, I don't respect them any more than I respect any other enthusiast. What is it that we should respect about soldiers? Their willingness to kill out of ignorance? Their inability to find more productive work?

An IED wouldn't be a problem for them if they'd stayed home and done something useful with their lives, and they wouldn't have to wear those ridiculous bomb suits if they weren't unwanted occupiers in a foreign nation.

There are a few people out there that feel obligated to serve their country. To protect the ideals that are established in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Which, just so happen to protect people like you with their free speech. I am confident that I make more money than you do and in so doing I will make the claim that your vocational choice is not as worthy as the men and women who have sworn to protect this great nation of ours.

So what do you do that is not a waste of time, and that requires a Harvard level education? I say that nothing you do is as noble as public service.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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well said!

shocker.

Soldiers suffer because they volunteered to do so in exchange for a paycheck. There's nothing decadent about being a writer, and nothing valuable about being a dusty corpse in a uniform. I'd put much more value in the person who attempts to produce art than those who get paid to produce suffering.

You a failed artist too, Chin? Seems like that critical streak runs deep in you.

Being critical isn't producing art, it's a product of a reaction to the art.

Critics are not failed artists. Criticism is the art of interpretation.
Critics are the ones who elevate art to it's level of prestige in society.
The reason art, literature, and cinema are valued by society is because of the attention of critics. Critics also act as sort of a quality control by which artists aspire to.
Artists need critics. Without critics and a school of critical thought, art would be reduced to a mere entertainment value.

"Critics are failed artists" - Animal_Chin

Right there above my post, Philip.

That's just romanticism. A critic is a parasite on an artist- unneeded, but needing the artist to survive. Society will consume art regardless of any irrelevant critical filters and always has. Critics are like gallery owners or cinema ushers, popcorn sellers etc, they are a small secondary industry that makes a living from someone else's artistic product. They have no value to the art itself, their value to the general public is as a sort of minor marketer, and that also is their value to the artist, such as it is.

There are also many so-called artists who are themselves parasites on society- producing formulaic and cliche works that are more cheap entertainment than art.
Critics are the ones who separate art from mere entertainment.
A critic, a good one at least, is the one who's sticking up for the small indy film that has much more artistic value than the latest Hollywood blockbuster.

Consider "Stranger than Paradise" for example. There's very little action and not that much drama. On the surface, it's kind of a boring movie. Financially, it performed somewhat poorly. Society generally did not like this movie. However, critics generally consider this movie to be a cinematic masterpiece because of it's artistic value. Without critics, this movie and others like it would be lost and forgotten. Without critics, art would dissolve into nothing but entertainment.

Think of it this way: Art does not exist in a bubble, it is a part of history and tradition. All art builds on the art before it. Critics are the keepers of this tradition and history. Criticism is much more than a financial institution. It's a thoughtful way for society to measure what a masterpiece is.

They volunteered to serve a greater good. Which is to protect people like you in the name of freedom. We all play a part in our society, so artist that put paint to canvas have their own special place that makes society great. I just happen to have more respect personally for those who publicly serve.

Police officers, firemen, the military, healthcare workers. Or do you think that these particular vocations sign up to suffer as well? Do they waste their time and lives as well?

Hostile do you honestly believe that the only purpose of the U.S. Military is to produce suffering?

are you seriously that ignorant?

The difference is, that they maintain our freedoms. The very freedoms that need to be protected on a daily basis.

I can assure you that we don't give a fcuk about what you think of us but we will defend your right to have your backward ass opinions. Also you can be so foolish to believe that you would have these same liberties if it wasn't for the hard work and dedication of the U.S. Military.

Generation Kill is much more realistic then the Hurt Locker by far!...Trust me, watch it!

as long as there is war, there will be movies about it.

and no doubt afterwards.

coming from the bum who has prolly never left the states.

I saw that documentary too, Jon. Wasn't nice.

Now seriously, do you think all 240 were innocent? I also venture to say in a humorous manner that it would take some marines jacked up on Mountain Dew to rip off arms and legs. That is like ripping a phone book in half.

Your posts have become so comical that I have to respond with smile now. There is no way you are serious?!?!

You got it wrong jon we yelled "GET SOME!" as we ripped into the innocent masses of citizens with our MK19 40mm Grenade Machine Gun. Disagree with the war, disagree with the Military..fuck it, hate us if you must but at least get your facts and insults correct.

That probably explains why Transformers was such a realistic portrayal of challenges the American army faces, e.g. robo-scorpions.

We can finally agree on something. In Transformers the esprit de corps in the movie was pretty accurate. People really do get along in real life.

that is true however it's being acclaimed as "incredibly accurate" by the critics which is the only word put out to the mainstream, and thats whats pissing off the troops, because the movie is far from it

Point! +^d