Shell to court: We're ready to drill Arctic Ocean
source: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/6420up_us_arctic_drilling.html
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Kathleen Sullivan, an attorney for Shell, said the company has spent at least $3.5 billion on Alaska operations in the past few years as it prepares for exploratory drilling set for July in the Beaufort and Chukchi seas.
"Shell has waited years to recover its investment," Sullivan told a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Portland. "We're ready to go."
"I'm sure Shell would like to win," replied Chief Judge Alex Kozinski.
But a coalition of environmentalists and Native Alaska groups who are challenging the drilling plans told the court the federal Minerals Management Service failed to consider the potential threat to wildlife and the risk for disaster before it approved the Shell project.
Christopher Winter, an attorney for the Alaska Eskimo Whaling Commission, said the Interior Department agency "simply ignored key aspects" about the possible effects of drilling operations on bowhead whales, including interruption of feeding patterns.
David Shilton, a Justice Department lawyer representing the minerals service, responded by saying studies have shown noise from drilling has only a "temporary and minor" effect on the whales, whose population is healthy and has been increasing.
Deirdre McDonnell, the attorney for the Native Village of Point Hope in Alaska, the lead petitioners in the case, argued that Shell had not made adequate plans to deal with an emergency, such as a major spill.
The Shell plan, for example, "doesn't say what happens if the drill ship is disabled or has sunk," McDonnell told the judges.
She also said government did not consider the cumulative impact of drilling in the Arctic Ocean.
Sullivan argued, however, the government must consider the facts at hand rather than "speculative" future impact and Shell has made extensive plans that include dealing with "the remote and infinitesimal likelihood of a spill."
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announced last December the Minerals Management Service had conditionally approved plans by Shell to drill three exploratory wells in the Chukchi Sea, saying environmentally responsible exploration is a key component of reducing dependence on foreign oil.
Conditional approval for exploration in the Beaufort Sea came last October, as part of the development of oil leases sold under the Bush administration and upheld by the Obama administration in March.
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inyourstory
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there just seems to be no hope in stopping them, as oil becomes more and more valuable... :(
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elementalist
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reducing dependency on foreign oil, how about oil all together, Comes back to the bottom dollar, fuck the planet fill your pockets huh.... idiocracy
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elementalist:
Soon as all that extra ice melt water weighs down upon the ocean floor bottom drilled into Swiss cheese... we won't be having to worry about oil any more. Just let that ice cold water break through into earth's core buddy-ro there won't be enough left in space to call us Krypton.
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Gravity_Man
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Say, I don't want to give th impression I'm complaining but, when does the 21st Century really start?
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Gravity_Man:
I can understand some good-natured teasing and practical jokes, and even a prank, but really I mean it this time too => when does the calendar reach 21st Century?
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CalgarC
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Calgar C to sHell "FUCK YOU"
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Sapience:
This isn't about stopping AMERICA, this is about stopping SHELL. When you understand that then maybe you won't look like a total fool here with your "green hatred." This is also about MORALITY GLOBALLY since Shell is a GLOBAL company. Save your BS holier than thou politically partisan sermons for someone who gives a damn. Oil drilling KILLS THIS PLANET, wildlife and marinelife, and is contributing to the tipping point of our climate balance and it is way past time to move on to the future which is totally possible. But of course not to those stuck in the same status quo ruts. You need real vision to understand that as well.
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JanforGore:
Gee, that was most excellently stated. Uhm, the only thing I feel compelled to add is that most people are looking exclusively at ocean damage. When the Exxon Valdez crashed the News people made a big deal later on about how it wasn't as bad as it could be because the sun had evaporated 4+ million gallons INTO THE AIR.
Oil molecules are too large for the human body to do anything with, so whether we get it one way or in the air we still get dragged behind a pickup truck's bumper.
The jetstream usually dips south from Alaska then swings back north. It just so happens that I was up north and by the time those molecules reached Vermont I suspect they had touched base with enough dust to come down into my breathing space. I left up there some days later driving south to Virginia to my destination. I was feeling real funny almost like my bloodstream contained a poison. That was where I had the worst accident of my life and my disability began on March 27 1989, from which I remain disabled yet to this day.
I don't find evaporated crude oil very funny, nor much of an answer.
I do find it more than passing interesting that eventually I figured out an engine that makes its own fuel "on-the-fly" compressing air by using the swinging kinetic energy of the car body and re-heating water into steam, the two combining to make a powerful yet non-combustion explosion, and no exhaust of any kind. My health was dealt many various blows by a 1,000 lb bale that hit me from 8 feet and took a few extra bounces up & down on me another 3 times.
When I came back, God willing, I showed how people would never, ever have to breathe that airborne garbage again. That was 2003 when I had the process defined. In 2008 I completed the engine design. That's where the story ends. Big Money and Big Money's politicians took over from there. We still play the same broken fiddle two years later. The economies of the world are a broken fiddle too. Men obviously will never build an engine that doesn't pollute, generates its own combo fuel and doesn't begin showing wear for maybe a hundred years.
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Gravity_Man:
ssshhh. Don't tell anybody we don't need oil out of the ground any more. The top 1% get really uptight when we talk like that.
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Sapience:
But SHELL is the topic of THIS post. Your defense of these murderers actually makes me sick. Got it? YOU SICKEN ME.
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Sapience:
This isn't only about DRILLING in regards to Shell. This is about HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES AND MURDER. Are you that dense? Or just that much of a moral coward? Which is it? BOTH? I don't have the patience anymore to talk to scumbags who defend these companies just because it is either CONVENIENT OR FINANCIALLY REWARDING FOR THEIR LIVES OR FILLS SOME SORT OF BS PARTISAN POLITICAL/IDEOLOGICAL AGENDA. YOU are part of the problem. So don't sit there pontificating to me. I will say it once again so you understand: DRILLING IN GENERAL KILLS THIS PLANET, SHELL (complicit in MURDER in Nigeria) which is the topic of this post in corrolation to OIL is now begging to spread their destruction to the ARCTIC ( also don't recall typing the word America at all anywhere here) one of the most pristine places on Earth and also the one area being hardest hit by the climate change burning their shit causes, all the while KNOWING what that shit causes in the midst of one of the most destructive environmental disasters once again involving OIL. If you can't see the moral and ethical side of this discussion besides being absolutely BLIND to the environmental and economic effects of continuing to burn this shit thus bringing this planet closer to a tipping point, you are HOPELESS... And I have no more time to WASTE on you.
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http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/7/government_exempted_bp_from_environmental_r...
Excerpt:
"KIERAN SUCKLING: Well, first off, I think that the President should announce a complete moratorium on all new offshore oil drilling. This three-week time-out is really too little, too late. And it’s very important to do that now because the president, under the urging of Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, has planned to open up new offshore oil drilling in Alaska, in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, and on the Atlantic coast. And that just needs to end. It’s not safe anywhere, anytime.
Secondly, the president should immediately revoke existing oil permits and especially in Alaska. Shell Oil, this July, has- is going to start doing offshore oil drilling in the Chukchi Sea of Alaska. And if you think it’s difficult to clean up oil in the relatively warm, calm Gulf of Mexico, imagine trying to do this with icebergs and sea ice, twenty hours of darkness in the Arctic oceans. It just cannot be done. If this spill had happened in Alaska, its magnitude would have been ten times worse than has happened in the Gulf.
Then, thirdly, the President should start an initiation of an investigation of Ken Salazar and his role in allowing this to happen. Salazar has been a major proponent of the offshore oil drilling industry. He passed legislation as a senator in 2006 to open up the Gulf of Mexico in the first place to offshore oil drilling. He gets campaign contributions by British Petroleum. And then he walks into this agency he is supposed to reform, and instead of reforming it, pushes it to do even more offshore oil drilling. So Ken Salazar is part of the problem here, not the solution. He should not be doing the investigation of MMS. He should be under investigation for helping to cause this crisis."
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futuregen:
No, Ken Salazar is doing his job exactly and perfectly. His job just has the wrong title. He should be titled Hatchet Man the 1st. Take a hatchet to the Gulf states, take a hatchet to Florida, take a hatchet to the East coast, and by all means take a hatchet to those scoundrels in Massachusetts who dare think they deserve a morning time unobstructed view of the sunrise.
Just take some videos of the sunrise before its hatcheted away, OK?, and play the sunrise on the tribe's cable TV stations. Honestly, why do Indians have to make something so easy into something so difficult I'll never understand. Give em some beads & trinkets it worked before.
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Gravity_Man
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The 100-ton dome is going to fail. Oops, wrong thread. Or I'm ahead of time.
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Gravity_Man:
No, you were right on time. It has failed and they knew it would. It's called C Y A.
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JanforGore:
What they were attempting to do -push an upside down "cup" over a heavy upward stream- was pretty much impossible. I see they have published a different explanation, something about ice forming and lifting the dome. That's a very ignorant thing to come up with because they said the dome weighed 100 tons. It would take more than a few ice crystals to lift 100 tons.
Their idea was wrong from the start. What they could have done was lowered two halves, one to each side of the oil streams with a large couple of bolts through both, then tightened the bolts bringing the heavy halves together.
Basically they failed, not by being poor engineers, but failed because deep down they don't think oil spills are all that bad. So they gave a token effort and then blamed failure on ice crystals... knowing all the time the general public wouldn't see through their lie.
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Gravity_Man:
Or, if they wanted to git FANCY they could put hinges at the bottom points... so that upon lowering it down the bottom would begin pushing up => closing the top. Kinda like artificial choppers.
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artemis6
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Good timing , Shell .
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Kurta
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Oh this is a great idea. This country never seems no learn from it's mistakes. It's pretty arrogant of Shell to bring this up in the middle of the Gulf crisis. It's also pretty shitty that they're trying to sleaze on in, under the radar.
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HsIV
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i hope there is a god so these people have someone to answer to. its like a tenet kicking wholes in the wall of an apartment.
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HsIV:
Right on! Sometimes I wish there was a hell, just for people like this.
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dragon1984
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there goes the polar bears....
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No doubt they've been ready for a long time ... thanks for nada on this one Obama.
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Jahvega
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when will enough be enough! :( It simple to get off oil and provide new jobs! Who will lose? Gas stations have other items to sell. Oil will still have other uses, less damaging to the environment then cars. Cars will run on other sources so car companies stays. In fact I can not think of a reason why getting off gas vehicles would be bad? Who would hurt?
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Thats just great lets just open up the whole world to drilling hell we ain't killing it fast enough as it is are we? I say ban all off shore drilling till each an every rig has passed a through inspection.Then only if they have a damn good safety record.
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Trying to slip one by while everyones looking at the gulf?
WTF???
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JanforGore
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No more blood for oil.
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JanforGore
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How about we clean the mess in the ocean before we start drilling again...
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Kaelos:
How about we clean the mess in the ocean and stop drilling altogether?
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JanforGore:
i hear what you are saying but what do you plan to do to change the way things are done? you can just say that like "i dream of genie", but you have to replace it what about planes, trucks, ext. whom will pay to convert all the moter's of the planet to bio-deasal or what have you? we must not be knee jerk even if we are totally correct.
trust me i agree i haven't owned a car since 2002 and haven't had my DL since 2004 (no dui's just don't like the pollution and the half ass i care hybrid stuff)
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HsIV:
Diesel trucks, cars can be run on 100% biodiesel with no conversion. I have a diesel VW that I run on 100% (99.9%) biodiesel in the summer. The fuel lines have not clogged. It runs fine. The only complication has been military, redneck republican interference as they don't want the public to know that you don't have to purchase their oil. (They have done all kinds of things to my cars, it has been horrible) This is soy biodiesel You can also run a diesel on grease, that when you need to add a heater and filter.
All cars can presently be run on up to 50% ethanol without any additions. I run my Prius on E-85 year round. David Blume offers an alcohol fuel conversion kit you can add to any car (i think it's about $300.00) that automatically makes the proper adjustments to run on 100% alcohol.
The present problem is finding the fuel. I live in the midwest so E-85 is available but it is GMO corn. I have to travel out of state to get soy biodiesel as the rednecks around here won't sell me any. The soy biodeisel is also GMO. We need sustainable non-GMO fuels to be widely available to the public. That's why people make their own alcohol or use grease.
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Wait! Have they paid the 310 billion for the cleanup yet?
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JanforGore
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Stop Shell.
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futuregen
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To get back on topic: Holy F***ing s**t:
http://oilprice.com/Environment/Oil-Spills/The-Cover-up-BP-s-Crude-Politics-and-...
'There is another major threat looming for inland towns and cities. With hurricane season in effect, there is a potential for ocean oil to be picked up by hurricane-driven rains and dropped into fresh water lakes and rivers, far from the ocean, thus adding to the pollution of water supplies and eco-systems."
"There is other satellite imagery being withheld by the Obama administration that shows what lies under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest."
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futuregen
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http://www.nlightsweb.com/lib/lyrics/ashes.htm#ON
Another great album.
ON THE FRONTIER
We all are standing unafraid on the frontier
We all are shadows in the shade on the frontier
When the dawn is come we will stand strong
Where we belongThe day belongs to each of us our time is getting near
The way is wrong for each of us our time is getting near
The seeds of yesterday are breaking through
To youWe're on the frontier now
We're on the frontier now
We're on the frontier now
We're on the frontier nowWe're on the frontier now
So come on leave the dark behind and join the day now
It's peaceful revolution time to join the day now
Morning breaks the light will shine and find the blindWe all are standing unafraid on the frontier
We all are shadows in the shade on the frontier - 2 years ago
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futuregen
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HowdyDo also posted this story with links to more petitions.
http://current.com/news/92419689_shell-oil-to-court-were-ready-to-drill-arctic-o...
You asked on another post about political music. Neil Young wrote 'Living with war' during the Bush years. Really good.
http://www.jtmp.org/NeilYoung.htm
http://www.neilyoung.com/lwwtoday/index.html
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Also, this album is really good. I was a host family that year for Up With People, World in Motion tour.http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/world-in-motion/id296752448
Believe, we are refugees, What's happening to you, we've got the power. ( I'm sure you'd like those. Il Faut Tout Leur Dire is a pro peace song. Chanter is 'sing'. Whose Next is and HIV Aides song.
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'Muse', a british libertarian band is very popular. They sound a bit like Queen. Also Rage against the machine, Thievery corporation, green day:) - 2 years ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejym4mKelhM
Will Shell be gas flaring in the Arctic as well? Will there also be human rights abuses as in Nigeria? How this administration could ever allow this is sickening.
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Drilling in the pristine Arctic simply cannot be allowed.
You can take action:
http://action.earthjustice.org/campaign/arctic_0510?qp_source=actioncenter
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