Movies | October 04, 2010 | 51 comments

Zeitgeist 3 is coming soon..."Moving Forward"

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLLFpNn4lM

jubal
The new socioeconomic system is on the verge of being realized. We need to have a fundamental change that doesn't seek to derive profits from problems, disease, fear and war. Millions of people are incarcerated by corporations that trade stock on Wall Street based on the number of people criminalized. We need an economic system that is based on shared resources, shared work, and shared rewards. Our world cannot survive by continuing on its current path.

The film explores the how and why of the new economic system that is needed to renew and reinvigorate our planet and our humanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYLLFpNn4lM
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51 comments // Zeitgeist 3 is coming soon..."Moving Forward" // Video

  • artemis6
  • jubal
    • +1
      jubal  
    • artemis6:

      They just started that here in our community. Its called a timeshare....and its growing everyday. There are over 200 members already and it works great. Just hope the IRS doesn't get their filthy grubby hands on trying to figure a way to tax it.

    • 2 years ago
  • onechance
  • chris50
  • PlatoTacius
    • 0
      PlatoTacius  

    • The OIL economy may colapse, but technology will no longer be based on OIL... New technologies are waiting in the wings...consider whether the collective mind of mankind is fear based and backward thinking...then there are always those intuitive minds that create the new and incredible...look to the rising sun, my friends, not just the setting one...Zeigeist is one tiny blip on the radar screen...

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
    • +2
      jubal  
    • PlatoTacius:

      Agreed and thank you very much for pointing that point out. We are not beholden to Peter Joseph or the Venus project. They are incredible ideas and we can draw from them and take what we like and leave the rest. The new world needs to be populated with people who are adaptable and not afraid to self sacrifice for the good of all. There will be no more room for greed and madness for power and the accumulation of mass wealth.

      Perhaps in the initial stages...many of us will be struggling to survive in a world turned to anarchy and chaos...who knows....it won't be an instantaneous change...it will take decades to accomplish....but it must begin with everyone agreeing to change their ways, to compromise, and to find consensus.

    • 2 years ago
  • PlatoTacius
    • 0
      PlatoTacius  
    • jubal:

      jubal, you're definitely hitting the nail on the head...also, there may be confusion at first and the power brokers will try to use that to jockey for their ultimate position in the new scheme of things, but if we all gather our wits about us, get organized and remain organized, then the divide and conquer concept will not be effective in pigeon holing us into the same old tired government processes...leaving the wealthy to gain more wealth and the middle class struggling against the same negative forces that make our societies stagnant...then we can move forward, as you proclaim, in a more positve manner...

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • tommic
    • +2
      tommic  

    • i tend to be a bit more pessimistic. With an endless war going on, poverty rising to decades levels height, social division greater than anytime in recent history, a shrinking middle class, a coming fossil fuel shortage (oil), and a rise in religious beliefs I personally believe we are in the throws of the decline of western civilization as we know it. Every time through the course of history when the confluence of events unfolded as they are today, dark times emerged. It does not happen quickley, it happens over a period of decades or a couple of centuries but the paralells are unequivocable and any person who has studied history and past empires or civilizations cannot dispute those findings. We as a race are coming very close to the precipice from which with the wrong step there may be no turning back. Now although this is not positive, it should also be noted through history those who warned of collapse were laughed off or dismissed were in the end found to have warranted their concerns. I hope I am wrong, but I do not think so. Selflessness is non existint, humility is in short supply, admission of wrong decisions is a dream. Without honesty, you can fill in the blanks

    • 2 years ago
  • NothingIsAbsoluteTruth
    • +2
      NothingIsAbsoluteTruth  

    • I CANNOT WAIT! Yeah maybe the first movie was a little fudgy but i really think these guys intend to do something good for this world. The idea seemed unfinished but hopefully this movie will explain more about venus project.

    • 2 years ago
  • AJILIVIZION
    • 0
      AJILIVIZION  

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyHIOg5aHk

      I definitely heard Michael Ruppert's voice in the Zeitgeist trailer! I've been posting the trailer to "Collapse" since I watched it a week ago. Everyone needs to watch it. Here is the synopsis from the Collapse site:

      Americans generally like to hear good news. They like to believe that a new president will right old wrongs, that clean energy will replace dirty oil and that fresh thinking will set the economy straight. American pundits tend to restrain their pessimism and hope for the best. But is anyone prepared for the worst?

      Meet Michael Ruppert, a different kind of American. A former Los Angeles police officer turned independent reporter, he predicted the current financial crisis in his self-published newsletter, From the Wilderness, at a time when most Wall Street and Washington analysts were still in denial. Director Chris Smith has shown an affinity for outsiders in films like American Movie and The Yes Men. In Collapse, he departs stylistically from his past documentaries by interviewing Ruppert in a format that recalls the work of Errol Morris and Spalding Gray.

      Sitting in a room that looks like a bunker, Ruppert recounts his career as a radical thinker and spells out the crises he sees ahead. He draws upon the same news reports and data available to any Internet user, but he applies a unique interpretation. He is especially passionate about the issue of peak oil, the concern raised by scientists since the seventies that the world will eventually run out of fossil fuel. While other experts debate this issue in measured tones, Ruppert doesn't hold back at sounding an alarm, portraying an apocalyptic future. Listening to his rapid flow of opinions, the viewer is likely to question some of the rhetoric as paranoid or deluded, and to sway back and forth on what to make of the extremism. Smith lets viewers form their own judgments.

      Collapse also serves as a portrait of a loner. Over the years, Ruppert has stood up for what he believes in despite fierce opposition. He candidly describes the sacrifices and motivators in his life. While other observers analyze details of the economic crisis, Ruppert views it as symptomatic of nothing less than the collapse of industrial civilization itself.

      Thom Powers
      ---------------------------------------------------
      Available as torrent downloads or stream from sites such as Stagevu. Must watch!

    • 2 years ago
  • XasthurNortt
  • jubal
  • BKsaysAction
    • 0
      BKsaysAction  

    • So I just finished Zietgeist 2 and man did it have a major hypocrisy in it. Being that the whole thing is about anti privatization of establishments yet he quotes a ton of Ron Paul who wants to privatize quite a few establishments. Then theres this whole Venus project utopia deal but it doesn't quite answer a major question of mine. If we make a world that is fully automated what will humans do? They say to explore and to discover but yet not every human is going to do that so then I ask the question again what is every human going to do?

    • 2 years ago
  • mindcruzer
  • NothingIsAbsoluteTruth
    • +1
      NothingIsAbsoluteTruth  
    • BKsaysAction:

      they will do what they like to do simply at that! if you like to paint, or construction, whatever you like to do and not have to be bogged down by jobs and payment. We have become so conditioned to thinking that jobs are good to keep us busy. But think about if, if people are actually making products that arent for money but just to share them with the world how much better that product is going to be. Unlike people today who create lets say a computer and make it outdated 3 months from then. We will become lest waste full. the list goes on and on and on.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
    • +2
      jubal  
    • BKsaysAction:

      Human beings will spend much more time doing leisure...arts...learning....reading....socializing...playing sports...traveling...and spending time with their families being good parents and being actively engaged in their lives.

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • mr_tibbles
  • grandavi
  • AJILIVIZION
    • +2
      AJILIVIZION  
    • grandavi:

      Well, I don't care much about one particular person behind the Zeitgeist Movement. I would advise everyone to stay focused on the message and rational arguments made by these films. Wouldn't you at least agree with the case against the profit-based-economic system? Wouldn't you agree that fabricated monetary system is enslaving people to a path of self destruction? So, forgetting Maxwell, what are your thoughts on Jacque Fresco's Venus Project and sustainable development?

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • maasanova
    • -1
      maasanova  
    • jubal:

      I believe that there is a Satan, and this battle that all humans are fighting is a certainly a spiritual one in many ways. That is my belief and I should be entitled to it. Jubal, likewise, should be entitled to his belief that Satan does not exist.

      The problem with the Venus Project is that they do not want you to be entitled to your belief, and they have a certain set of beliefs already made for you once you are agree to abide by their narrow set of societal rules. They even admit that if their pre-packaged society is accepted by governments around the world, humanity will be forced to accept it.

      I listed to a two hour interview with them, and while a lot of things sound good in theory, their ideas are horribly flawed in many ways. They claimed to have the answers for their detractors, but for me, I was only left with even more questions as they slickly glossed over religion and who would ultimately control this system. Check them out for yourself.

      http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2010/07jul/RIR-100715.php

    • 2 years ago
  • SalvadoreSouza
  • Nick19
    • 0
      Nick19  

    • I could hardly watch the first one as it is. It kept going into shit about God and I just didn't find it watchable. Now, I will say the modern day economic problem is obvious. The current policy of Neoliberalism in our Globalized society continues to be embraced and this system only benefits a small group of workers, despite some growth in a new middle class around the world, and the income disparity levels have gone out of control. I don't know if they are also trying to argue that the process of Globalization is a controlled process by a small group of elites which in itself is highly doubtful since Globalization is a natural occurrence in human history as we seek to connect markets for new goods. Neoliberalism isn't sustainable and we do need to find a new economic approach but that will mean changing governments; especially the U.S since they have control of the IMF and the World Bank and therefore means control of the SAP(Structural Adjustment Program) that forces developing nations to adopt Neoliberal policy as they need economic assistance.

    • 2 years ago
  • AJILIVIZION
    • +1
      AJILIVIZION  
    • Nick19:

      This is more than just changing governments. This a new way of thinking and living. Concepts like Liberalism, Conservativism, Socialism, Communism, etc. etc. etc. have all expired their values. The belief that the blame rests on any one political party or a particular institution is to not comprehend the problem at all. The entire system is flawed. The industrial age-profit based economy is unsustainable and self-destructive. Watch the second movie; Zeitgeist Addendum.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg

    • 2 years ago
  • Nick19
    • 0
      Nick19  
    • AJILIVIZION:

      Okay well we can't reverse industrialization and large increases in demand for material goods cannot simply be reversed as the rise of an international middle class rises up in places like China and India. Sure, it may be unsustainable but we can make a difference in terms of an intensive system of recycling like in India and we can try to find ways to cut wastefulness but thats an obvious challenge in itself. Sorry if I'm lazy but just give me a quick rundown on the overall solution since I'm very busy at the moment.

    • 2 years ago
  • AJILIVIZION
    • +1
      AJILIVIZION  
    • Nick19:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyHIOg5aHk

      Hah... just give you a "quick run down of the solution"... As if any one could be so wise as to have a simple solution to the largest collapse in human history. Your funny. We can't reverse industrialization, just like we can't keep it up for much longer. Middle classes and demand can rise sky high. But, as soon as oil peak nears, and nobody can afford it.. what do you think will happen? There really isn't much time before the industrial-profit-based-system collides with the reality of finite resources. Some would say, the two have already collided. There is no band-aid solution that could ever fix a flawed system.

      The human population sky-rocketed just as oil was found to have many uses. What happens when there is no more oil to sustain the people's needs? An enormous amount of people are not prepared for this inevitable collapse. Many people cling to denial as if this ship is too big to sink. Personally, after the material I've gone over, the circumstances I've witnessed, and time to accept the harsh reality, I believe there really isn't much we can do to save the suburbs and those that have been disconnected from nature. There will be the extremely wealthy that will catapult safety nets for themselves and/or their local wealthy community. For the most part, people that know how to live off of local resources and build healthy relationships with their neighbors have a better chance to make it through the tough transitional period we face ( ie rural areas, sustainable communities). That is what this next Zeitgeist movie seems to be focused on, the "Transition".

      This clip I post is a trailer of "Collapse". In it Michael Ruppert explains how the signs of this collapse are in our faces, there is no amount of money that will prevent it, and how its not the end of time, but just the end of these times. I heard Michael Ruppert's voice in the Zeitgeist trailer, which makes it even more captivating. The movie "Collapse" is available to download as a torrent or you could stream it from sights such as Stagevu.com. I would press on you to really watch it if you are genuinely interested in giving a chance to someone who really knows what they are talking about.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
    • 0
      jubal  
    • Nick19:

      The point is that since there isn't an invisible man in the sky who is going to save us....then we must take response ability to change things ourselves.

      God is not an entity like you or me...its a man made creation....that was the point of the "god" stuff in the first movie....God is a MYTH.

    • 2 years ago
  • Nick19
  • Nick19
    • +1
      Nick19  
    • AJILIVIZION:

      Well call me crazy but I'll be the optimist here and say that human innovation can allow us to get out of this sort of situation. Alternative energy sources like ethanol sugarcane, wind, solar, hydrogen, and many other resources could actually help in moving us away from an oil dependent society. Of course, if it all collapse, then I guess I better get my car armored up and get ready to hit the open road fighting barbarians along the way.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBrAh3OyYnI&feature=related

    • 2 years ago
  • artemis6
  • passjay
  • daveinLA
    • +2
      daveinLA  

    • Jubal, I watched the first and second, and both had many errors, speculation, and inaccuracies. But the comments on religion were pretty correct. Hopefully the film-maker will cut out the baloney on 9-11 conspiracy.

    • 2 years ago
  • AJILIVIZION
    • +1
      AJILIVIZION  
    • daveinLA:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAyHIOg5aHk

      Yeah, forget all the 9/11 non-sense, lets just deal with the facts. Like the fact that we are diving into the Collapse of the industrial-economic system. Michael Ruppert explains in "Collapse":

      Americans generally like to hear good news. They like to believe that a new president will right old wrongs, that clean energy will replace dirty oil and that fresh thinking will set the economy straight. American pundits tend to restrain their pessimism and hope for the best. But is anyone prepared for the worst?

      Meet Michael Ruppert, a different kind of American. A former Los Angeles police officer turned independent reporter, he predicted the current financial crisis in his self-published newsletter, From the Wilderness, at a time when most Wall Street and Washington analysts were still in denial. Director Chris Smith has shown an affinity for outsiders in films like American Movie and The Yes Men. In Collapse, he departs stylistically from his past documentaries by interviewing Ruppert in a format that recalls the work of Errol Morris and Spalding Gray.

      Sitting in a room that looks like a bunker, Ruppert recounts his career as a radical thinker and spells out the crises he sees ahead. He draws upon the same news reports and data available to any Internet user, but he applies a unique interpretation. He is especially passionate about the issue of peak oil, the concern raised by scientists since the seventies that the world will eventually run out of fossil fuel. While other experts debate this issue in measured tones, Ruppert doesn't hold back at sounding an alarm, portraying an apocalyptic future. Listening to his rapid flow of opinions, the viewer is likely to question some of the rhetoric as paranoid or deluded, and to sway back and forth on what to make of the extremism. Smith lets viewers form their own judgments.

      Collapse also serves as a portrait of a loner. Over the years, Ruppert has stood up for what he believes in despite fierce opposition. He candidly describes the sacrifices and motivators in his life. While other observers analyze details of the economic crisis, Ruppert views it as symptomatic of nothing less than the collapse of industrial civilization itself.

      Thom Powers
      --------------------------------------------------------------
      Available as torrent downloads or stream from sites such as Stagevu. Must watch!

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
    • +1
      jubal  
    • daveinLA:

      Thanks...but I happen to agree that the 9/11 was a conspiracy with complicity within our own government. Did GW stage it....HELL NO!!! Did Cheney have a hand in it....YOU BET YA!!!!

      There are too many unanswered questions and the real truth has been swept under the rug of fear and ignorance.

    • 2 years ago
  • jubal
  • ernest25
    • +2
      ernest25  

    • I really can't wait to watch the movie i hope there'll be a revolution in the economy of the countries releasing the movie. I really didn't know when is movie gonna release. Thank U Jubal for pasting the up dates

    • 2 years ago
  • PirateSauce
    • +4
      PirateSauce  

    • Zeitgeist Addendum was one of those documentaries that really just floors you with information and opens up a massive rabbit hole that is infinitely deep.

      Watch it. :)

    • 2 years ago
  • s_peak
    • +2
      s_peak  

    • I can't wait till January!!! They pushed the release date back!! But I think it was to achieve the simultaneous release in different countries.

      I've been hearing lots of good things about the new Z. They say there's a lot of new animation and hand-drawn stuff in it, too. Really looking forward to it! :)

      Screening at my house!!

    • 2 years ago
  • AJILIVIZION
  • treewolf39
  • PlatoTacius
    • +4
      PlatoTacius  

    • This is 'great stuff', jubal, thanks for posting it... the inherent logic and reason that is slowly causing the lost to find themselves is also waking up the passive masses to the oncoming tidal wave in the swirling sea of blind consumption...the economic change that is needed to break the resounding vicious cycle of the adamant 'status quo'...

      I look forward to seeing the new Zeitgeist 3...

    • 2 years ago
  • randallr01
  • kennymotown
  • jubal
    • +3
      jubal  
    • kennymotown:

      I can't wait for this monster of capitalism to meet its agonizing death and for the new resource based economy comes into being. It will be a lot like Star Trek was portrayed in the show....imagine there's no countries, no money, no mass accumulation of wealth.....it will be paradise on earth.

    • 2 years ago
  • kennymotown
  • jubal
    • +7
      jubal  

    • I have been getting updates from Peter Joseph and the Zeitgeist movement on a regular basis. This latest addendum to the Zeitgeist film series is going to be the best yet.

      SYNOPSIS - Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, by director Peter Joseph, is a
      feature length documentary work which will present a case for a needed
      transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs
      the entire world society. This subject matter will transcend the issues of
      cultural relativism and traditional ideology and move to relate the core,
      empirical "life ground" attributes of human and social survival,
      extrapolating those immutable natural laws into a new sustainable social
      paradigm called a "Resource-Based Economy".

      THEATRICAL RELEASE - Zeitgeist: Moving Forward is planned to be released in
      60+ countries and in 20+ languages starting January 15th 2011. This large
      scale release is not associated with any major distributor.

      DVD/INTERNET RELEASE - This is a non-commercial project, which means it
      will be available for free acquisition via internet in both viewing form
      and full DVD download. Non-monetary distribution by other parties is also
      allowed, but no third party selling of the work is permitted.
      ZeitgeistMovingForward.com will have a $5.00 DVD available in mid to late
      January.

    • 2 years ago
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • jubal
  • kennymotown
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