Climate Chaos In The South: Documentary of the victims of climate change

Those alleged 31,000 scientists were in no way qualified to pronounce themselves on climate. Most of them were students in varied disciplines like literature, philosophy, sociology and other subjects totally unrelated to climate. The same applies for the scientists - not a single bona fides climatologist among them. Also, this article is from 1974, over 35 years ago. Since then, believe it or not, science and knowledge has progressed greatly, as have the technologies. Why do you keep posting crocks of shit? It is as if you don't give a damn about your children and future grand-children - it is almost certain that you won't have any great-grandchildren if nothing is done to curb global warming. Your children and grand-children will curse you for your destructive attitude.

i am far from destructive but i also havent any desire to try and prove my commitment to the environment to you. as far as i am concerned folks who brag or spout about their good deeds negate the worth of said deed by doing so. i am confident that my children and grandchildren whenever they arrive will be quite pleased with what i stand for and who i am. just because i am not as gullible as many of you as to mans influence in regard to climate change doesnt mean my beliefs are against the fact that climate happens. its all cyclical babe! now maybe i cant prove it to those of you who wish to believe mankind is inherently evil. lord knows with men like george soro's and al gore one really has to do some soul searching to defend them. but neither can the other side prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that mans influence affects the environment in such a way that climate change is his own fault. so thats really been my point all along. no strong proof either way as to mans effects in regard to this issue. this doesnt mean we cant reuse, recycle and not piss or dump toxic matter into our clean water sources. help old people cross streets or do kindnesses for others. these things matter more and are things man actually has control over. shalom

I don't brag, I give examples, so that others might learn what they too can do. Anyone who produces more than two children in the west is adding to and compounding the disaster.

Not that I totally disagree with your premise, but why are you limiting your remarks to those "in the west". Are you implying that those in the east with more than two childred are not criminals? If so, why not? Are you holding people who live in the west to a higher standard? Or is there another reason that we should not all be held to account?

What I mean is that in the west, we have access to education, knowledge and information, as well as can afford contraception, whereas in much of the non-industrialized and developing world, people have far less access to education, knowledge and information than we have, and cannot afford contraception.

I just thought you should know that I have left my Jeep and my Harley idling in the garage for the last 18 hours. The Jeep is filled with plastic bags full of beef. I plan to drive the three blocks to the post office this afternoon to mail fertility drugs to my six grandchildren. Is that wrong?

LOL!

Laughing adds carbon to the atmosphere! Snickering is okay, I guess.

i have 7 beautiful children and they all worship me. not brag, just fact

That's one of the reasons why you are part of the problem. Children who worship their parents aren't right in the head.

you might be right, but at least it feeds my megalomania!

must be all the consonants and junk science. could make any leftylibs head spin!

so because he's an interbred prince he has all the right answers? wow thats taking royalty worship wayyy too far.

He is far less inbred than you are, obviously.

youre so hot when you talk like that. but hey, at least i'm happy!

We obviously need a new approach.
The facts are not sinking in to most people it sadly seems.
I am extremely depressed by this.
Even more depressing is the flippant attitude most well-off people have about this crisis.
What will it take to educate the uninformed and uncaring herds?
I understand why people rely on religion to deny such horrible news.
I personally wish Christ or Quetzalcoatl will come to save the day! And kick our self-righteous asses.
But this is extremely unrealistic and actually the biggest part of the problem.
How do we communicate the reality of things like deforestation, pollution and climate change to the masses who live in air-conditioned apartments watching FOX?
Modern humans don't grasp what hot or cold really is anymore.
We have become SO weak.
Deniers like Ayipis are increasingly common. I think we need to somehow reach them on an emotional level by humoring them and allowing them to make a fool of themselves. Don't just vote them down and insult them back. Make them feel welcome and have fun pointing out how wrong they are.
We need to get creative in dealing with corporate-fed ignorance or we will lose this battle.

What will do it? Direct personal experience with the effects of this. That is, unless as was posted they are paid operatives sent to disrupt, which in that case makes your point about reaching them mute. Look, even oil companies and governments know this is real and that humans are exacerbating it, so you can bet people who make a point of anklebiting here really know it as well. Which is why telling the truth about the real victims of this which this movie shows though it isn't even being discussed is now essential to show others that this is no hoax. So very sick of the propaganda and noise permeating all of these sites which is why going around it is necessary. And in the case of Current, I truly believe some only come here to be contrary because of who the chairman is, and in the case of threads I begin, because of the fact I support his endeavors. So, are you really sure all of the naysayers here are truly genuine in their so called denial? No. Fighitng the corporations and governments stopping progress are where our energies should now lie as well as in putting forth solutions in any way we can get around them, not on trying to persuade some people who are in the minority on an Internet site whose motives are clear. I say, herd them all off to a melting Arctic ice floe to see it up close if that is the only way to make them understand, and I bet you even that would not convince them based on their ideological, poltical and personal preconceptions. As far as I am concerned anyone who can still deny this is doing it for their own personal agenda and isn't worth my time. I'm not going to sit on the Internet or go off it wasting my time trying to "convince" them while others need solutions. I'm focusing on action this coming year and taking it to those who need it taken to them.

Air conditioners are a sin against the human body, as they steal strength from it. In many ways Americans are healthier than most people on the planet, and yet we lose our edge to air conditioners. They rob us of our flexibility & ability to cope. Just like over in India there's this little guy who hasn't EATEN for years.

How can he still be alive? We'd be dead long ago cause we are WEAK. He also doesn't drink any water but I found finally found out what he does is he swishes the water in his mouth and absorbs it that way. How does he live without FOOD? My guess is his body has become so super efficient he is feeding on the bacteria & virus microbes in the air.

He's getting the most powerful sushi in the world.

But we have AIR CONDITIONERS. When the climate gets worse the most ones to die will be Americans. The AC has given us a one-temperature range body. And if you think jogging at one speed has toughened you up NOPE => you've developed a ONE-SPEED HEART MUSCLE to go along with your one-temperature body.

Medical researchers a couple years ago started saying if we eat less calories per day than what we need we would add maybe another 10 years to our lives. We fear being hungry. Ya know, we were a healthy nation up into the 1960's but then something hit us like a boomerang in the neck.

Carnation Instant Breakfasts in a pouch. When they advertised it on TV Day-In & Day-Out they drilled it into our skulls we had to have something substantial to begin our day and THAT is patently incorrect. The best bodybuilder I ever found online said he starts every day not eating. Instead when he wakes up he starts hitting the weights. For 45 minutes. Hard.

Then he will eat. But you see, the Instant Breakfast people got us all turned around backwards by teling us we have to eat first.

The other bunch that messed us up BAD was the FDA again drilling a hole in our skull that we had to eat something from each Food Group, and that's not exactly true either. I was given a book several years ago written by a Dr. who discovered that certain blood types prefers breads, others prefers more fruit and so on.

His conclusion? Try different foods and figure out which ones makes ya feel the best, eat more of them. DUH. Here's my conclusion => Turn the TV off.

People who draw fat paychecks will argue you to the death. Even when you're right. They live in a short stack of juicy pancakes and that's the way they want it to remain.

Musical chairs. Too many people want Jan to never get a seat at the table. But uhm that includes me with Ocean Energy too. I think the correct word for this situation is somewhere between constipation and deregulation. People are afraid to change horses when the water is flowing this hard.

If you had some overhead shots of Cedar Rapids Iowa when the water over ran them so bad the last time that might carry some weight. Current dot com is a good place, but the News goes by so fast it's not sticking to the wall long enough. And the pictures of the arctic are doing you a big disservice also. They're usually on the horizontal, but when they're from above they're so far away the problem looks somehow "contained" => under control.

I sent in a "News Tip" and also wrote the local newspaper editorial lady telling them about Ocean Energy but they must have an ironclad agreement with Virginia Tech in Blacksburg to only write about ideas from the university there.

I get stonewalled like that all the time Jan. The Players all support each other. Just like the way all the doctors hereabouts back each other up if another doctor harms a patient.

In Virginia it's a stone wall....

I beg to differ with you about AC's. Do you live in an area like I do where it can reach 120 degrees Fahrenheit? Even the Native American's in this area wore practically no clothing, were in the shade 99% of the time and lived with in feet of the Colorado River where they could jump in and cool off anytime they wanted. That isn't practical by today's standards. I can withstand the high temperatures more than say someone from Wisconsin or New York, but during the summer when the temps get high, people often die because of the heat. I don't understand it, but they do. Here, we just survive the summer jumping from shade to shade outside and quickly get back inside where we have our glorious AC's. You haven't lived until the electricity goes out and there's no AC..lol Lots of cold showers. Well sort of, even our cold tap water will be 100 degrees or hotter coming out of the faucet during the summer.

And about the guy who hasn't eaten in years..well I'd have to see it to believe it. Our bodies are physical and require nutrients. We are no different than other mammals in that aspect. There isn't a mammal that can survive years without food. Our bodies would consume itself, muscles, fat and or organs, before it would die of starvation. How many thousands of people in the Holocaust died of starvation? And if they do not drink water, then that person would die much sooner. Those are just 2 factors we cannot do without completely; water and food.

Perhaps I wasn't definitive enough. Of course AC is great in extremes but what we've done wrong is air conditioned everything, our cars, homes, offices and so on. .. til we lose flexibility, adaptability even. We become crippled without AC. But now you're talking about a different scenario => going out in the heat then re-entering the air conditioning, then back out in the heat!

haha That dear lady is a great exercise! It builds stamina! By all means go in & out of shopping malls in the summertime too. In fact, it is my belief that if pregnant women went from AC to heat over & over (certainly not to exhaustion) that their babies would be healthier and smarter. The reason for smarter is that in air conditioning the oxygen molecules are packed closer together.

The man in India has been documented and many doctors have studied him. The thing is the man doesn't work a job. Apparently he just sits around with minimal energy being expended. I don't have a link to give you but I first heard of him back around 2003. He simply has achieved a superior level of efficiency. Keep in mind that the man is likely very small. All things considered I believe he is real. I also believe he's super healthy.

He has turned his body into a disease-consuming engine. He breathes in living organisms stuffed full of life as his body feeds off them. Conversely, fat people who feed all hours of the day the diseases come in, jump a ride via our own bloodstream on into the organs and muscles and we're in for the fight of our lives.

Another thing many people may not realize is that when we overeat it raises our caloric requirement just to process the excess food and colas we take in, so at some point we start having to eat more to give our digestive systems more strength to digest the extra food. Extra digestive juices have to be churned out, extra energy for peristalsis to go 24 hours a day. The number of Americans now needing kidney dialysis is proof our kidneys are being way overworked also.

"...going out in the heat then re-entering the air conditioning, then back out in the heat!

"haha That dear lady is a great exercise! It builds stamina! By all means go in & out of shopping malls in the summertime too. In fact, it is my belief that if pregnant women went from AC to heat over & over (certainly not to exhaustion) that their babies would be healthier and smarter."

That is the number one cause of pneumonia in hot countries, definitely a no-no, especially for pregnant women.

I wouldn't advise waiting until the 9th month to start doing it. I also wouldn't do it to the extreme. In the extreme yes, I could see pneumonia, even walking pneumonia from sweating skin causing a super cooling.

Perhaps I should've written a book so I could caveat the living daylights out of my suggestions. Primarily I was meaning Americans in America, not every hot desert area in the world.

Deliberately changing one's room temperature => walking from one cooler room to the other warmer room will be very beneficial. Walking from 120 degrees into 55 degrees back and forth was not my intention for anyone but Sylvester Stallone. Increasing the workload on the body's circulatory and lymphatic systems gradually a person could build themselves up to jogging, achieving over a 6-8 week period into having herculean stamina.

I apologize for not being more precise.

18. Is the climate of Earth still changing? Yes. The climate of Earth has been in a constant state of change ever since the planet was first formed and it is still changing. The change happens relatively slowly and we have only recently developed the tools and the knowledge necessary to discover the patterns of change over past eras and to record the gradual changes that are happening during our own lifetimes.

19. How can we find out what the climate of Earth was like hundreds of years ago? Detailed, accurate records of the weather have only been kept for the past few decades. But, there are lots of places to look for clues - rock formations, ocean sediment cores, pollen in amber, or tree rings. When 17th century Dutch artists painted their now famous winter landscapes they were illustrating the fact that there were many extremely cold winters in the 17th-century. This period in history is called the Little Ice Age. The generally cold climate of the period is confirmed in the records of their grape harvests kept by French winemakers for the past 500 years.

20. What do we know about past climates on Earth? Geological records suggest that the first Ice Age ocurred about 2.3 billion years ago and the most recent Ice Age extended from about 22,000 through 12,000 years ago. During that time, glaciers covered much of the north including Canada and northern Europe and Asia. Global temperatures were about 10 degrees F. cooler than today. Studies seem to show that climate changes can be surprisingly abrupt. It seems an ice age can develop in as short a period as an average human life span. Some scientists believe that we are overdue for the development of another ice age.

21. What happened in between the ice ages of past eras? During the Pleistocene era, extending back about 600,000 years there were four ice ages and in between these the temperature was about 5 degrees F. warmer than today. Before that time, going back about 100 million years to the Cretaceous period, global temperatures appear to have been perhaps 18 degrees F. warmer than today. Ocean levels rose and water spilled over onto the land creating differently shaped land masses. The possibility that in our current era human activity is causing global warming is a hotly debated and so far undecided issue.http://www.explorit.org/science/weather.html

try beethoven

the strife is going completely away for who? maybe for you because as long as i can remember people that share my skin color stay in strife. the wealthy destroy the country and everyone else suffers (Mostly African-Americans) the real recession hasnt even hit yet. . .we're all F###ed. . .

I disagree. The Wealthy are smartening up and coming to realize keeping their slave stock healthy means more for them. Watch for the changes.

O but he's soooo fun to spank!

Thank you. I agree, and he's not the only one. Why people engage those they know to only be disruptors at this point is beyond me.

"staffers are not interested.
instead they removed my posts."

Welcome to the club. This is why these certain same disruptors must be ignored. I was also wondering if some of them were staff. Otherwise, it simply cannot be explained how some of the personal insults and vulgarity are continued to be allowed ( on edit: even when flagged) while those who respond are the ones made to feel as though we are doing something wrong. I don't want to belabor this here either, just wanted to respond to your comment. I say, ignore them all now as well. They aren't worth the time and the topics being discussed are much more important than entertaining them.

My non-offensive post to ayipis was just removed from this thread.
This is censorship! I am considering moving on another discussion group over it.
We need to understand these people an try to educate them.
And lighten up a bit.

Climate change is the CONSEQUENCE of global warming.

I feel this is too important to confine to private email.
First I want to thank you & the staff for getting a handle on the spam!
Regarding Ayipis, I consider him/her important in reminding us what we face in the real world. He/she represents an alarming number of global warming deniers on a mission from god. I see his pain and have known many people like them. I think the reason Ayipis sticks around is that he/she somehow, deep down, wants to be convinced otherwise. And frankly we are not doing a very good job by simply dismissing him/her as a moronic troll. I am guilty of this, comparing him to W. (Is this why I got canned?)
When I first became a member of Current a few months ago (after visiting this site for a year in search of interesting news) I was SO impressed with the democratic way stories made it to the top 20. Members get to vote stories and comments up or down! I earned a lot of points in the process. But what I quickly came to realize is that people who aren't preaching to the choir are often publically humiliated by the + and - votes. I found myself voting people up, like Ayipis, when what they contributed was light-hearted, even though I disagreed with their opinion. We need to engage these injured souls like lost family and have a little fun in the process.
O but that red flag button! I never understand what it was until today. Yeash! Basically you are depending on your readership to do your job for you. How convenient. And selective.
I have come to sort-of appreciate Ayipis and have learned something in the process. I will now become a troll on a denier website and torture them as much as he/she has tortured us.
Hahahahaha!

So your solution consists of sitting completely still in the corner then? Grin and bear it? Watch the poor slobs in some other country die on TV?

What is your solution? Zombie out on pot? Snort some coke? I see you have a good grasp on insulting people tonight.

oh, then "i battled aypiss antagonistic posts " is an innocent typo of the original poster's name???

LOL...

yeah i can relate. my car died a couple of weeks ago and the great scary unknown haunted me until i let go and let god. a reasonably priced replacement showed up within a couple of days. now i'm drivin in style again!

be sure to balance out your pyramid with some healthy red meat

yep, they just don't get it... true... but the failure is in their lack of critical thinking....

their first "solution" is DO SOMETHING to change the climate.... Al Gore... several years ago.

the second solution is : get world-wide governments to pass laws to protect these climate refugees...

THE LAST thing they're interested in doing is the quickest, most humane, most direct thing they could do... sponsor, welcome or adopt a "refugee family" from one of the at-risk countries or islands and welcome them into their community.

no, their "solution" is, as usual, pass laws to tax someone else to pay to subsidize and feed, clothe and shelter these refugees, without ever considering the concept that, as refugees, maybe they should LEAVE HOME and find someplace that's got less drought or a bit higher elevation above average sea level.

trust me... ain't gonna happen. they're going to go the UN, that epitome of success in protecting people from mass murder, genocide and wars? LOL!

and, as you said, what court of law would be the one to let that case be presented?

like the unions who wanted, in 1974 or so, to sue Saudi Arabia for lost jobs in the US because the Saudis raised the price of oil and that caused a few years of adjustment to world economies....

SSDD.
+af

oh, by the way, since none of the "progressives" here believe that the Vostok ice cores have ANY predictive value.... what if the cores are RIGHT, and we're on the verge of the next major Ice Age in the next whatever number of years???

the refugees will be everyone north of about 40 degrees latitude, who'll want a place to live somewhat closer to the Equator....

for their sake, let's hope that the same laws handle THAT scenario, because if it doesn't, most of the world's billions of people won't find open arms between +/- 23 degrees of latitude, either!

ah, but that CAN'T HAPPEN, right? Not if Al's right...

ROTFLOL....

glad i won't be around to see their faces if i'm right....

wheres a good area down south to dig a shelter to protect ourselves from the socialist nanny state and gorbal warming?

our moral obligations should start at home first. then if there's leftovers we can branch out. most of the leftylibs whine about moral obligations to the rest of the world while ignoring our own problems.

sounds like those born agains are as confused and beshnookered as the leftylibs. but i am sure theyre less intrusive or damaging and more likely to share in a time of need.

my lips are sealed

Very sad and, very eye-opening, a tough read. From the last paragraph => "And if a regime prefers to spend its billions on soldiers and military weaponry, the buyers of its oil might have to use their influence to press for new priorities. Otherwise, the vast human migration in places such as the Sahel will spin out of control forever.".

Looks like humans are the same everywhere...

All the rain on California, looks like the wheels are greased down deep into the fault lines.

I never heard that before, but if a volcano was involved with the quake and was spewing mega gases into the air I could see that. Usually there's also ash or small particles that could rise up to seed the clouds. I think we're looking at some increasing temperature swings in both directions on the scale.

About 5 and 10 years ago there was a terrific increase in people being bipolar. That might have been a pre-indicator of what the climate is doing now, like how horses and other animals go nuts before a quake.

You ask great questions. There likely are binding ties. Like Danny De Vito said => Criss~Cross. We've gone past plaid to Criss~Cross. Actually though there's this fellow comes on the radio sometimes who predicts this stuff. He says whenever there's a lunar eclipse or a full Moon (?) the pull changes against our planet.

He was on just last week and predicted some of this mess. I don't thing he called for all that rain in CA though. Well, the eclipse is long gone so maybe it will all settle down now.