Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - Official Release 2011

apparently truth and objectivity still has yet to find it's place in the zeitgeist movement.

I get that it's resource management. It isn't a bad idea.

There is a little problem called the human ego that might get in the way.

How do you account for human spirituality? How about intellectual property, how do people receive credit for their non-resource based assets like an idea or invention? How about the rights of the minority in the face of a majority? How about mental health issues, do we spend resources on therapy and rehabilitation? Is there going to be a venus project army? if not, you may not last long in the event of an international land grab. Will there be security for the elderly so they do not have to physically labor into their old age? If so how do you come to the conclusion of what age?

and lastly...is there enough gain to each individual to justify dedicating your life to? These are permanent problems. You may be able to run away and find a moderate size group that agrees on everything, but, the population will catch up with you.

I think a more important and useful endeavor would be to tackle a big city like Chicago or LA and turn it into a thriving city of the future. This sounds like a lot more work but it also sounds much more rewarding.

Thoughts such as yours are exactly why I still have hope for humanity. Bravo.

How do you reconcile these nice thoughts on the Venus Project with the obvious pro-libertarian edge that all of these doc-films have in common.

Are you down with libertarianism now?

explain ?

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He has nothing to gain from this? I'll even give credit where it is due. He created a very popular performance piece. He should be proud, a little pretentious and self-important but never the less he has something to gain here.

Not everyone is self serving as you .

if only that were true...

Don't tell that to your mom , mothers are unpaid labor . Fathers too . Grandparents . People do a lot for love . Do you get paid to care for a pet ? No ? Doesn't matter does it ? Money always was a crappy motivator . Clean air and water , great food ( gardening pays in great food ) , friendship , love , fun even , or simply to make a difference in the world , MUCH better .

I advocate for progressive causes and social justice. My single mother was forced to work, she didn't have the luxury of staying home with the kids. I support movements that are doing what it takes to fix the homes and cities we already live in.

How about instead of building a new city why not come back and volunteer to help at home. We can all make a difference if we respect each others right to self determination and advocate for civil rights, worker's right's and protecting the environment through govt. regulation.

This reminds me of the hippies of woodstock, you all seemed to run to the hills and start communes rather than participating in politics and what we got was 30 yrs of reaganomics.

The more of you that run away from our democratic process to go sing Koombaya in the mountains, the less people are involved in the political process that favor the environment, clean drinking water, a minimum wage, an open and free internet, broadband access for all, collecting taxes from multi-billionaires, providing tax relief for small businesses and individuals making less the six figures, converting the military budget money into the health and education budget, etc... the list goes on.

So if your idea of a solution is "I'm gonna run away and start my own city", than you should consider that you are one of thousands of historical groups who did the same thing. This isn't a new idea.

You mean fixing up the cities to house the slaves? Across this nation the people are rapidly losing the ability to pull themselves up by their boot straps. The constant need to repurchase all the shit you use every five to ten years is breaking our ability to progress. Vote for change? Well that might work if the media conveyed the truth, but we all know they don't. Hell they don't even teach the same American history across this country. With education becoming more expensive every year things will not improve.

We need to regroup and restart.

bucket of waste more like it .you fail go to the end of the line and try agian.

Failed point fails again.

You should watch it Before commenting . You'll look smarter .

I admit I haven't seen the new one. Just the previous 20 editions. Adding a cinematic qaulity does not change something much. Is it still 6 hours long?

Yeah wake up!

Amen.

You don't think Peter Joseph is Profiting off of this doc?

How so?

and if he so what he doesnt spend his money on a yacht,fancy cars,vaction home in hamburgh.he put the money to good use. your a troll

Marketing, name recognition, book sales, speaking tours to name a few...It's basically the politician's model but without running for office.

I am simply speaking truth to power.

This shows how little you know about Peter Joseph.

Get some clarity before judging

Actually, the guy doesn't have much money. He lives in an apartment that isn't filled with stuff. He has said before that he only sells t-shirts on the site to defer the cost of running multiple large-scale websites. Stuck within the paradigm, he's still an example of someone trying to escape it.

You can't make social change without spreading the word, his movie has inspired people worldwide, and those same people will be involved in the project. The very idea he's trying to spread is all about true democracy and accountability. You think millions of followers would stand for him suddenly flipping over to try and raise an actual profit from this? No way.

What a awesome shot! I'm stealing this.

Hopefully, the masses begin to run out of bubble gum.

Yup.

How to you propose forcing someone else to let go of their religion?

It's all very romantic and fantastical but what success is there to prove that this even works as a model.

You know the old saying, if the idea is so great than DO it already. What are you waiting for? Save the world. Please.

The Zeitgeist Movement advocates no such thing. People are free to practice their religion all they want in the eyes of TZM. We just prefer they don't insist on forcing it upon others.

Who is we? So is there like some kind of council of people that make the decisions for everyone else?

What if I want to actively engage is speech that is meant to convert you to a certain religion? what is to be done?

Is that when the stoning begins? Do I get a trial or does the village elder simply decide my fate arbitrarily.

I will be completely honest... My one big problem, is that this documentary treats democracy like a failed experiment and I simply do not agree.

Democracy is our best hope and I will not massage any theory that does not make room for the voice of the common man. I may think your vote is a waste, but I will defend your right to have a vote til I die.

And this response shows how much time you've spent actually learning about The Zeitgeist Movement before lashing out at it, which seems to be none at all.

I actually had the good fortune of crossing paths with a group of people that were all very animately enthusiastic about Zeitgeist and the Venus Project and very willing to share with me their profound faith in this documentary as a tool for "waking people up" to what was really going on.

The interesting thing was this was in 2007 during the middle of a very heated political campaign and I happened to pay more attention to the C-Span than most people I know, you could call me a C-Span Geek. What I've been seeing is a GOP hell bent on pulling the rug out from under us while simultaneously gauging our democracy from the top via huge corporate tax loop holes and giveaways.

I've also heard great voices like DailyKOS, Thom Hartmann, Rachel Maddow, MoveON.org, Michael Moore, Gleen Greenwald, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Ava's Army, and the list keeps going. People are awake. Take a look in the mirror. Ask yourself who needs to wake up. Because right now we are fighting a rhetorical battle with the corporate fat cats to save a democracy. Please support democratic causes, single payer health care and the progressive party and support your local progressive democrat if you really want to do something. And VOTE!!!

You can only vote on a person, you cannot vote on what they do when they are granted the position.

I think that is what you call apathy.

Do you deny a libertarian leaning coming from TZM?

"the truth is extrem - to make it moderate is to lie" - wow!!!!

Vote it up while you still get a vote...

Thanks for sharing James!

You're welcome.

Exactly. The big question here is how. Everyone is a critic. This movie seems to be more critiques then rubber actually meeting the road.

Funny you bring Plato in to this seeing as this documentary is mostly a rhetorical circle jerk.

before starting , i think we will need an honest resource inventory . local food production methods , local green power development , tracking programs , a way to communicate with everyone easily . Better to start sooner than later . 2 to 3 years to work out the kinks to basic needs . A blueprint would be good .

Hey . . . spoiler alert!

Sounds oddly similar to a hunter/gatherer society.

The original was prior to the formation of the Zeitgeist Movement and its diagnosis of the root of our societal problems as the culture created by our current socioeconomic paradigm. Peter Joseph was just beginning to scratch the surface of getting to the truth of the matter back then. I highly suggest focusing on Addendum and Moving Forward to understand the message of The Zeitgeist Movement.

lol...the info regarding 9/11 in the first Zeitgeist is all factual. The official story is the conspiracy theory. over 1400 architectural and engineering professionals have proven it to be a controlled demolition.

bla bla bla zeitgeist movement - its the venus project....and the venus project is nothing more than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy .... do your research!!!!

Go back to watching mainstream media and drinking aspartame, and don't forget your flu shot.

1. What are your quarrels with technocracy?

2. How much research on TZM and TVP have you, yourself, done?

"...,and don't forget your flu shot." LOL! +1

1. sry for my inappropiate form of noticing they are just another form of technocracy

2. enough ;)

Even though human involvement in the management of TVP system is ultimately hoped to be on a volunteer basis, I think the politicians, lawyers, and businessmen have shown us they are inefficient as leaders for our civilization.

Some facts from the original movie were definitely disputable, if not entirely wrong (in part 1: religion). I liked it, personally... but essentially as a work of philosophy and art (peter joseph originally performed it as an art piece and did the drums live). The third installment is WAY more approachable, and is mostly centered around interviews with some very cool people who you might have seen elsewhere. This movie is rooted in logic, and I highly recommend it to those who found the first one too hard to swallow.

So you think politicians (Read: only rich, old, white dudes) should make decisions that effect our air quality based on what is most beneficial for capitalism? Even if politicians WEREN'T corrupt, which they are... they still aren't the ones who should be making decisions best left up to engineers and scientists. Mostly because they are forced to make decisions that support a system based entirely on burning finite resources at an unsustainable rate. Scientists and engineers (in a free thinking society) would be at the whim of logic and general consensus, not money.

The Venus project advocates more for automation and resource management than hierarchical control of society. Even in a technocracy, you would have a higher degree of democracy than we experience today... for the reasons I already listed above... so what's wrong with that? Anyway... all of that aside... the venus project doesn't fall into some category of "isms" or "ocracy"... it's based on an entirely new system of cooperation and interaction. It would probably be closer to "participatory democracy". And when there's enough automation... engineers don't HAVE TO make decisions. In a free society, bureaucracy becomes unnecessary, and becomes a byproduct of a malfunctioning society.

There's no amount of research that one can do to take the place of opening their mind to the possibility of a free society. There is no textbook case upon which to judge "utopia", but rest assured that bureaucracy and hierarchical control, which are BOTH advocated in technocracy... are completely absent from the proposed idea of a resource based economy. Do you not understand that that's the ENTIRE POINT of this system?

No offense! ... and I'm on your side and all (and I also laughed at your comment)... but you catch more flies with honey... knowwhatImean?

I think it's important, as would be in line with a cooperative system... that we all try to be more understanding...

People will line up to volunteer only when the air is too unfit to walk in without a gas mask, and the oceans contain no more life.

Unfortunately for us, but fortunately (?) for some kind of progress.... that day isn't very far away.

"So you think politicians (Read: only rich, old, white dudes) should make decisions that effect our air quality based on what is most beneficial for capitalism?"

never said anything like that Oo - we are over 9000!

d^up

Judging by the look of it the Venus crowd has a pretty notable presence here on current.

Get the flu lately?

Easy. Technocracy is the quickest way to have all the political power concentrated to the elite few who possess whatever piece of knowledge or particular resource get's them into these positions of power and influence.

The mistake Technocracy makes is that it assumes that because you have this system in place, politics simply ceases to exist.

My point is that their will be political gamesmanship regardless of political system and there is nothing in technocracy or zeitgeist or the venus project, that prevents a corporate like entity from coming to power and promptly dictating laws as they see fit.

What is great about democracy is never before have corporations had to spend so much of their own resources and money to simply keep themselves in existence.

The downside of democracy is the people are idiots and will fall for anything. But I'd rather have that then a corporate oligarchy dictating policy with absolutely no regulations or democratic mechanisms.

A great book to read about Technocracy's effect of Chile is, "In the Name of Reason:
Technocrats and Politics in Chile." I know it's not in documentary form but I do think you will get more out of it this way.

In Chile they called it "scientific government". On this thread we are calling it "resource based"

So if you lead a simple life under this system, it is required that you relegate all societal decisions to the educated and better informed. Who get's to make this decisions on what holds value and what does not? My beef is the fallacy that by moving to the system we will somehow leave behind all of our old problems and people simply wont seek power and influence.