Concentration Camps in America Exposed (Part 1)
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Buckeye_Bill
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""Swift Luck Greens," is an anagram for "Left Wing Suckers" -- but it's evidence that once things get passed around the Internet, they can lose context and the wildest theory wins."
Just in case everyone overlooked this part of the story about those myths getting debunked I, regurgitatingly, have reposted this sentence from the article "Sharin"
provided below.Left Wing Suckers.
Yuppers. That about sums it up alright!
If ANY of thise were true, don't you think the rightwing batshit crazed Rethuglicans would have been all over this like flies on dog poop, with 8X10 glossy photos with cirlces and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one?
Jus' sayin'...
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Buckeye_Bill
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sffsmessiah
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can we get a list of names in the NWO who are targeting for death anyone they don't like? and evidence besides something as general as "the internet?"
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sffsmessiah
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Argon18
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sffsmessiah:
That is a good point, since the Japanese were targeted at Manzanar and the Jews were at Auschwitz, who is the NWO targeting at FEMA?
It's kinda hard to just round up anyone they don't like or that has ever used the "internet" since as I pointed out that includes a lot of nasty gangs and cartels that would have the resources to fight back.
Are they saying that street gangs, organized crime and drug dealers are part of the NWO?
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Argon18
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Nick19
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sffsmessiah:
Yes, and let me get Santa's list of whose been good and whose been naughty. NWO doesn't exist plain and simple.
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Nick19
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sffsmessiah
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Argon18:
i think the nwo is considered to be mostly neoliberal international capitalist business types. however, you'll notice the last words this woman says is "lucifarian" government, bringing it into a spiritual/religious context. historically, lucifarianism is associated with seeking knowledge and knowledge as god, an esoteric/gnostic tradition that has some elitist connotations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism , but what is interesting is the rush to qualify these individuals as heretics.
this woman is saying that actually the nwo is a heretical belief system bent on global domination and dictatorship that will systematically murder those who get in their way. there are a lot of far-right christian groups who similarly claim that the UNs agenda 21 is a pantheistic attempt to force sustainable development on the people and control their actions, eliminating freedom and enslaving us all. of course, the second coming basically has Jesus as the everlasting dictator as well, the only difference being that he is "good", while all of his enemies...i.e. the antichrist...is "bad," so who really knows what anyone talking about the NWO really means in the first place.
meh.
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sffsmessiah
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wynnmeg61
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I think this is just a little too far out there. we are crazy in Wyoming but not quite this crazy. The ranchers would have an absolute St8t fit if land was bing fenced off and they couldn't graze their cattle for one thing. Besides why would the Big Moneyed bother to spend money when they have managed to so divide the people of the U.S. so well that we will all be happily killing each other in the streets rather than working together to solve problems.
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wynnmeg61
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wynnmeg61:
Besides why would the Big Moneyed bother to spend money when they have managed to so divide the people of the U.S. so well that we will all be happily killing each other in the streets rather than working together to solve problems.
Seems to be their intention wynnmeg61... =(
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KB723
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mii
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Totally unauthenticated photos, with lots of assumptions.
Of course, they only people I see doing this are the
extreme right fringe, and the only people who would vote
them into power are too uninformed to realize what they
are capable and willing to do for total domination of our
Society. - 10 months ago
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mii
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harleyblueswoman
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I knew those Tea Partiers were up to something...............
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harleyblueswoman
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Milieu
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Same people, same principle
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Milieu
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Buckeye_Bill
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Does ANYONE here STILL believe that Obama's "Long Form Birth Certificate" is a hoax?
Let me see a show of hands!
LMAO!
Where has Orly Taitz gone off to? Anybody know?
Anybody care?
LOL
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Buckeye_Bill
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Buckeye_Bill:
Orly Taitz is really just Ariana Huffington with a cheap wig.
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Buckeye_Bill
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Now, if anyone wishes to verify the information Sharin posted, here is the link to ALL of the video clips!
Take a gander at them. Listen to Glenn Beck spread some of these fantastic stories!
Listen to others debunk these stories.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850
Have a wonderful, fear-free Sunday with your friends and family!
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Buckeye_Bill
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David_Schwab
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I don't know about the Dec. 21 date, but the rpg Shadowrun (originally published 1989; 22 years ago) had a fantasy theme where in the year 2012, magic returns to Earth. So the 2012 myth was common enough knowledge for a gaming company to use it a few years before this John Major Jenkins introduced 12/21/2012 in publication.
I don't know if it's relevent, but in an astronomy class, they went into great detail on how the Mesoamericans where obsessed with Venus. Their calendar was a very accurate "clock" that found the timing between the orbit of Venus and the cycles of Earth's moon. Apparently it takes many cycles (thousands of years) for Venus and the moon to precisely meet up and begin the cycle again.
From my understanding, the Mesoamerican calendar is this cycle. It is their "year" so to speak. We put our calendar on the fridge with magnets. They made theirs out of stone. We throw our calendar away at the end of the year because the next year is different (November third of the next year may not fall on a Saturday). But the Mesoamerican calendar is so accurate, that the next "year" is exactly the same (The third of November in the thousandth year does fall again on a Saturday, and on the fifth year, the five hundred and seventh year, etc). So, they did not have to make a second calendar.
Apparently, the ending of this calendar, over the centuries, has elicited a great amount of cult around it. The answer to the question of "What happens in 2012" may be as simple as, "The calendar starts over".
Then again, there do seem to be some corollaries between this 2012 and what the Hindus call the "Kali Yuga" and to the astronomical event of the precession of the equinox from Pisces to Aquarius. Definitely a broad subject with lots of possibilities.
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coolplanet
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David_Schwab:
It is SO refreshing to hear someone speak accurately about the 2012 meme.
All this doomsday crap has been projected by Judeohristians and New Agers upon the Mesoamerican calanders. The Maya see this as a new beginning, not a horrible end.
If anything the Winter Solstice 2012 is boonsday, not doomsday.
But that wouldn't make for a good Hollywood movie now would it? - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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coolplanet:
Yes! It would be like you or me explaining the civilization ot Atlantis!
Rumors and rumors of rumors is all we would have to "study".
Gossip over a fence. Old wive's tales. "The earth is flat and I can prove it!" Or the latest one where Galileo Galilei was confined to house arrest until he died because he contended that the Earth revolved around the Sun and the Pope nearly had him executed if it weren't for Galileo retracting his statement! It is said that under his breath as he was sentenced he muttered, "But it does."
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Buckeye_Bill
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Buckeye_Bill
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David_Schwab:
Bravo!
Touche`!
}8^D
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David_Schwab:
perfect.
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Nephwrack
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David_Schwab:
Thanks for this moment of clarity and sanity, David _Schwab. Voted up!
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coolplanet:
If anything the Winter Solstice 2012 is boonsday.
I go out on a regular basis and hug Mousav -- see the picture below -- thus, I am a treehugger/wiccan/postmenopausal witch who celebrates the 'christian christmas' on December 21 b/c I don't recognize christian holidays.
Pwr 2 the wiccan peons! Dismember the christian infidels! - 10 months ago
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wolfess
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wolfess:
I deeply respect the authentic Old Religion and feel a deep affinity with all Earth loving people.
Christianity is not a religion but a generic term for the thousands of christian religions, from fundamentalist to mysitc.
Being gnostic christian I identify with Wicca and later shamantic traditions that celebrate the solstices and equinoxes bastardised by the Catholics and Protestants as Christmas and Easter.
My school of gnosticism understands that great grandmother Gaia is equally important as the Great Spirit father, and see both as pure spirit.
It is the manmade world of Adam that is mundane matter.
We share many things in common, like herbal healing and casting out evil demons/lyers.
Our goal is the same: co-creating heaven on earth.
"Christians" desparately need to grasp the teaching of their supposed Master when he answered his disciples self-righteousness: "He who is not against us is with us."
There are some great books that point out the obvious: Jesus was crucified as a witch!
Blessed be. - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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wolfess
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coolplanet:
When I was very young (birth to age 6) my father was superintendent of Chaco Canyon National Monument. I had the opportunity to return there a few years ago and now believe that Chaco is the Anasazi version of Stonehenge. Imagine how much better a world it would be if all of us had adopted those ways rather than have 'christianity' forced on us.
Thank you for the information you have shared with me.
Blessed be! - 10 months ago
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wolfess
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coolplanet
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My understanding of 13 B'aktun (12/21/12) is the return of the aboriginal Spirit to America and possibly the world. It means the end of hell on Earth.
It's not about armageddon, solar flares, polar shifts, photon belts, or conspiracy theories.
It is about the native people saving our white asses from our own stupidity like they did on the first Thanksgiving.
Winter Solstice 2012, according to Mesoamerican calendars, is not about doom (unless, of course, you're a Wall Street banker).
It is a new beginning to a 25,000 year cycle within cycles.
Stop listening to the new age gurus! Read what an actual Maya daykeeper has to say about it: "13 B'aktun" by Gaspar Pedro Gonzalez, North Atlantic Books, 2010. - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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coolplanet:
Excellent comment coolplanet and Thanks for the info, I too have thought of this date as nothing more than a new period, but to watch "The Discovery Channel" folks may not feel that way... Have you noticed the up in Nostrodamus as well as "Life without people" I would think that TDC is subliminally screwing us up on purpose....
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KB723
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coolplanet
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KB723:
That explains why my brother has plans to take his family into the wilderness and grow his own food in December 2012. He gets all of his info on this subject from the Discovery channel. I don't watch TV other than the weather report. I prefer reading books and Current news.
I like to tease my brother about his paranoia, saying stuff like "You've never grown a plant in your life" and "If a giant solar flare strikes earth your car will be rendered useless."
I've been following this story since the 1980s and even played a modest role in Harmonic Convergence. Of all the books I've read on 2012 I think John Major Jenkins (along with Gonzalez) offers the only rational explanation of 13 B'aktun from an archeological and cultural standpoint.
12/21/12 is a real artifact of the Maya. We white people have turned it into a circus, like everything else! - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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coolplanet:
Thanks, I need to read these books soon... =) What are your best suggestions??? Perhaps you mentioned them already... =)
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KB723
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coolplanet
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KB723:
Besides "13 B'aktun" by Gonzalez, the best book I've read on this is "The 2012 Story: The Myths, Fallacies, and Truth Behind the Most Intriguing Date in History" by John Major Jenkins (Tarcher Penguin 2009).
Jenkins is is the man who first introduced the world to 12/21/12 almost 20 years ago and has only recently been given credit. He approaches this subject from an archeological, scientific perspective but also offers his spiritual interpretation in Part Two (which is mindblowing).
I love the way Jenkins gives almost everyone a good verbal spanking! I just read it for the second time and highly recommend it to anyone interested in this global phenomenon. - 10 months ago
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coolplanet
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coolplanet:
Thanks for sharing coolplanet, I am sure all that visit this page will Thank You just the same... =)
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KB723
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Buckeye_Bill
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"Is it true that a long time ago firemen used to put out fires and not burn books?"
"Oh really? Your uncle is right. You are light in the head!"
Quotes from Fahrenheit 451, the Movie.
See how conspiracy theories begin?
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9n98SXNGl8&feature=player_detailpage#t=28s
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Buckeye_Bill
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telcod
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Or, Drop Kick me Jesus through the goal posts of life.......
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telcod
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telcod:
Did you just say Jebus???
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KB723
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telcod
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KB723:
some things I do not take in vain.....
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telcod
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KB723
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telcod:
Nor do I telcod...
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KB723
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telcod
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KB723:
God be with you.
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telcod
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KB723
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telcod:
Thanks telcod, same to you... =)
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KB723
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telcod:
You know, people take the meaning of that "scripture" COMPLETELY out of context.
What it DOES mean is to NOT take an OATH swearing to God that you will do OR not do something and using God as a witness to your OATH!
That, my friends, is what that REALLY, TRULY means.
Honest Injun!
Just ask Jebus the next time you see Him.
He cannot lie. I'll take an OATH to that!
LOL
Drop Kick Me Jesus Through The Goal Posts Of Life - Bobby Bare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5Y1OuQIxo - 10 months ago
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Buckeye_Bill
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telcod
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Three hots and a cot. Home sweet home. Beats prison sex, ...... maybe. Seems like days of future past.
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telcod
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KB723
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telcod:
Coming to a Theater near you... =)
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KB723
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dugdog47
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I kinda miss the days when current would post stories exposing B.P. Can I request some anti B.P. stories?
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KB723
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dugdog47:
Sure dugdog47... Have at it... =)
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KB723
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dugdog47:
You can be the master of your own ship! You, too, can post stories and send out invites to all to come join in on the fun of ripping BP, GE, Goldmam Sachs, BofA, J.P. Morgan or any of those low-life high rollers! Call me any time!
"ich bin ein aktuelle commenter!"
Ja!
laut lachen!
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Buckeye_Bill
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Anonmaly
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100+ comments, but how many commentators? Wait excuse me, returning to my own form of masturbation.....
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Anonmaly
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KB723
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Anonmaly:
Your own form Eh'??? Does that mean you use your feet???
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KB723
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OlBlue
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She had me at "Lost Days Prophecies". Obviously, if it's prophecy, it's gotta be true. God bless her twisted little heart.
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OlBlue:
If God finds time, I am sure she Will Indeed bless her little heart... =)
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KB723:
She is a just God.
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OlBlue
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OlBlue:
She sure is OlBlue... =)
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KB723
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wolfess
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KB723:
Blessed be!
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wolfess
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EdJoyProductions
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There are detention centers all over the United States and they are called "prisons". With the largest proportion of citizens in the world within these "prisons" for non-violent" and victimless crimes, one should really be concerned more the the real US detention centers instead of the imaginary ones.
The business of incarceration is a major problem and the exploitation of prisoners for cheap labor sources does not exactly keep any corrupt law enforcement or judicial authority from putting innocent people into them.
Lets clean up the horrors that are not so hidden before trying to tackle "Roswell" type scenarios.
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EdJoyProductions:
lets do EdJoy... =)
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EdJoyProductions:
Well said.
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Progresshiv
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EdJoyProductions:
You, are a human being after my own heart!
Go get 'em!
As you say, let's deal with REALITIES FIRST, then go chasing after windmills!
Or 99 Luftballons!
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EdJoyProductions:
Understood... but at most of these camps, there are pictures of giant ovens that are clearly hooked up to huge gas tanks. Doesn't look like a kitchen, either. Maybe prisons are just about to get more violent?
I think it's totally possible that a holocaust could happen again. Our government did clear of charges and recruit several Nazis during the Nuremberg trials... There's something going on.
Just sayin ...
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s_peak:
And Well said s_peak... I totally agree...
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KB723
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Buckeye_Bill:
Yes, but I love Man of La Mancha :-)! And yes, there are some windmills that are just MEANT to be tilted at!
Pwr 2 the peons! Dismember our elected infidels! - 10 months ago
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wolfess
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s_peak:
Okay ... those damned koch[roaches] had relatives that were a prominent part of Hitler's regime -- IF there is anything going on it will connect back to those koch[suckers]; ergo, DISMEMBER the HEDONIST INFIDELS!
Pwr 2 the peons! - 10 months ago
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wolfess:
Whenever I hear a Teavangelista tells me how they will defeat the Democrats and take over the HOR AND the Senate AND the White House, I say, "Zip it! Your Koch is showing!"
LOL
Pwr 2 the peons! And men who tilt at windmills!
P.S. For your viewing pleasure...Man of La Mancha!
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s_peak:
Anything is possible but like I said, we have gigantic, elephant in the room problems with civil rights violations that should be addressed right away. If we spent as much energy fighting the ones that are obvious as the ones that may or may not be true, the government would not be able to get away with something so horrendous.
Also, I do not know where those pictures were taken and in what context and the chick is an internet evangelist who sounds crazy.
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Progresshiv:
Thanks. Maybe you can do a new how-to video about priorities for the conspiracy theorists. I bet you could make something fantastic. :)
I just feel like even if this is true, it is our own fault for allowing the corrections industry to be a profit driven, out of control monster with little oversight.
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Buckeye_Bill:
Glad you appreciate.
Yay, the German version! My favorite!
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EdJoyProductions:
I spent 15 minutes posting all the debunking info and THEN read Sharin's posts...she beat me to it! Read her comments and all those silly fallacies are pointedly debunked!
I went and deleted mine!
LOL
It's crazy how people will believe a lie quicker than the truth!
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Buckeye_Bill
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Buckeye_Bill:
It's even more sad than crazy. Then they all wonder how people like Hitler come into power.
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EdJoyProductions:
It's been a very long day. I wish I had the stamina to stay up and chat, but my "pallet" is calling my name!
G'nite, EJP!
See you in the funny papers...I'll be the "strip" three down and one to the right!
LMAO!
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Buckeye_Bill
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EdJoyProductions:
I was MORE worried about GWB because we've had nearly 78 years to have learned our lesson and haven't!
Till the morrow, kind fellow earthling!
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Buckeye_Bill
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Buckeye_Bill:
Have sweet dreams. :*
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wolfess:
haha! Indeed.
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EdJoyProductions:
Behold the beautiful Mousav!
(I really had to do some serious cropping to get her uploaded :-).
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wolfess
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wolfess
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Buckeye_Bill:
Zip it! Your Koch is showing!"
Perfect! If I give you credit can I use that phrase -- it is truly booful :-)!!
Pwr 2 the peons! Dismember the koch infidels! - 10 months ago
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wolfess
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wolfess:
"Zip it! Your Koch is showing!"
Perfect! If I give you credit can I use that phrase...By your leave, M'Lady!
Pwr 2 the peons! Dismember the koch infidels!
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wolfess:
Nice seeing you, Mousav! We have heard so much about you. :)
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The trouble with that kind of fearmonerging is it doesn't take into account that a lot of criminals, gangs and groups that wouldn't go into those camps without a fight. Do you think that London is the only place that would have riots?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_1DBEca624
Every tine this has come up during the few years, it still fails to address the self-fulfilling prophecy of "civil unrest" because it's not all couch potatoes, people who live in trailer parks and the suburbs.
Even whole brigades of troops and putting people into FEMA camps wouldn't be enough for those that are going to fight back and already have no respect for authority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scVQ2Odl_P8
Any attempts to use force and "civil unrest" becomes all out civil war because it severly underestimate the amount of gangs and organized crime that would fight for their turf and profits.
The Institute for Intergovernmental Research (IIR) collected gang-related data every year from 1996 through 2005 and found an average of 750,000 gang members in the U.S. Plus La Cosa Nostra, Cartels, Mafia and Ping On Gang who engage in drug dealing, illegal gambling, extortion and exploitation of women.
They have the motivation and resources to take on any such attempt, then when the fighting in the streets and whole cities being devastated spreads to effect the rest of the population they will rise up just as the people did in the French Revolution
That would lose any control over the country than they already have, so it is counter-productive and those would try to let other people know tht large numbers of people were taken to camps have lot more to fear from it than "normal everyday Americans"
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Argon18
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rebel_scum
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I'm thrilled this post is #1. was beginning to think Current had lost it's balls.
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rebel_scum:
Cool, glad you dropped by to check it out... I too am surprised it made it this far...
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rebel_scum:
No, it proves that Current is losing it's intellect. Just look at how easy this story is to debunk. Read Sharin's research in the comment section.
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Nick19:
Funny You should mention Intellect for all the times you have commented here???
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Nick19:
Ha!
Sharin - "google is a great tool :-)"You have to look beyond Google, who filters your searches to accommodate your interests and views. (Not to mention they have very little backbone when pressured by the Government) I repeat, LOOK BEYOND GOOGLE
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rebel_scum:
and go to youtube owned by Google lol? We are after all looking at a video on youtube. Also, most of the conspiracy theory sources go to documentaries on *drumroll YOUTUBE!
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KB723:
I have heard this for a while . It needed a public fleshing out . Good post .
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artemis6
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artemis6:
Thanks artemis6... =)
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squarethecircle
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The camps that were finally taken away after Charley magically turned into new jails. We have had concentration camps before in the US and the possibility of them returning feels all to possible based on the negligent attitude of those making decisions. Just be aware is all this is about. Nothing to do with fear mongering, but not something anyone is going to come right out and admit either. Best wishes whatever you believe.
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squarethecircle:
If I remember correctly, I think someone actually asked about these camps during the Primaries... I know that Hillary was asked of her relationship with the Bilderberg group and was even more surprised she answered the question...
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KB723
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squarethecircle:
google the conspiracy theory: Fema camps
it was debunked years ago - 10 months ago
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KB723:
she was asked about attending one of the Bilderberg meetings by some students. she said she didn't attend the meetings. Yet Alex Jones - the ranting/raving wrongwing radio personality, in fact declaring that Obama and Clinton attended them together.
These insinuations are about the "new world order" rather than about these supposed Fema death camps - 10 months ago
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sharin:
You sir are doing it right in terms of source material that throughly debunks all this material:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XePNzOXphew/TajFAV9IexI/AAAAAAAAA6Q/J9NyUwcW2Y8/s400/I...
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sharin:
I am stating they go Hand in Hand, but that's just me... Yes there were people that wondered just where Hillary and Obama disappeared to... They were supposed to have gone to her house... I think they both went to introduce BO to his new overlords... As I remember, Hillary did say her husband attended these meetings and he has done Much to make the "North American Union" all that more possible...
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sharin
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Nick19:
Not a "sir" but thanks - google is a great tool
:-)
-Sharon - 10 months ago
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sharin:
so were the crop circles but they are amazing and unexplained still despite their debunking.
- 10 months ago
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seriously?!!!!!! OMG - this woman is a loon and everything from her shoule be suspect. here is an article from Popular Mechanics , April 2009, that sets the record straight:
1. North Korea/Wyoming detention center
CLAIM: "There is a minimum of one confirmed concentration camp built on American soil in rural Wyoming. " The (Department of Homeland Security) accidentally placed these photos on a publicly accessible portion of their website " (but) they were pulled within one hour. " The images are not gone forever though."FACT: These actually are legitimate images of "forced-labor colonies, camps, and prisons"--in North Korea. The images were taken from "The Hidden Gulag: Exposing North Korea's Prison Camps," a report prepared by the Washington D.C.-based Committee for Human Rights in North Korea.
Then someone manipulated the headers, photo dates and annotations. The original five images, showing a dorm for prisoners, forced-labor shops and guard towers, are here. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) "When we first got the photos, we had no idea they were prison camps," said Matthew McKinzie, one of the men responsible for collecting the imagery. "The North Korean gulags are work gulags; the prisoners are forced to work and live in what look like North Korean villages. It wasn't until we began interviewing former prisoners that we knew what we were looking at." In the fakes, original maps and geographic coordinates have been covered by poorly pasted DHS logos. The whole thing may have been a hoax--the name of the made-up facility, "Swift Luck Greens," is an anagram for "Left Wing Suckers"--but it's evidence that once things get passed around the Internet, they can lose context and the wildest theory wins.
2. Camp Grayling National Guard training center
CLAIM: "More (evidence of) Concentration Camps in America for Americans. Yes, they are real. More (photographic) proof " read it and weep, it's coming!"FACT: Camp Grayling, located in northern central Michigan, is the largest National Guard training center in the U.S. The National Guard, active and reserve components of the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard all train there, practicing everything from helicopter gunnery to processing and care for prisoners of war. "The 'camps' you are referring to are used by our military police for training," said Maj. Dawn Dancer, a public information officer for the Michigan National Guard. "In fact, one of our MP units just returned from a 12-month deployment where they oversaw the operations of a POW facility in Iraq. We are fortunate to have such a great training facility here." This is also evidence of the life span of these theories: Far from being new, or even inspired by post-9/11 government buildup, Dancer first began responding to these photos in 1999. "I cannot believe this rumor about Camp Grayling is still alive," she said.
3. Beech Grove Amtrak facility
CLAIMS:
A) "The Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech Grove, Ind., contains high security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high intensity/security lighting for 24-hour operation. These buildings have been sealed airtight and constructed to allow gas to be blown into all the buildings via the newly installed, two-story, hot air heating furnaces. [T]he (jobs) of Americans who were laid off there will be filled with foreigners, who will have no qualms about gassing Americans in the newly renovated gas chambers, in the Dachau and Auschwitz of America."-2:03-2:15 / 2:30-2:50: "This small building is the only way into a particular fenced area. Inside this building, we see more of the motion-activated detectors, electronic turnstiles, and prison bars. " All of the renovations to this property have involved putting in new fencing, electronic turnstiles, concrete flooring in unused warehouse buildings, and putting in large gas furnaces in buildings that were never heated anytime in the past 20 years."
-4:10-4:40: "In yet another fenced area, we see a large warehouse building at the end with the electronic turnstiles in front of it. The building is one that has a new concrete floor--and its doors and windows have all been blocked. Outside there are new gas pipes."
-4:57-5:17: "The gas lines and gas pipes at the facility run the length of the buildings--and come out at some very, very large brand-new furnaces that have been installed at the buildings throughout the facility."
FACTS:
A) This footage, which appears in multiple videos on YouTube, is from a "documentary" filmed 15 years ago--yet today, it's been viewed nearly 1.5 million times online. The woman who made the video, Linda Thompson, was one of the pioneers of the militia movement in the United States--except that she was so extreme, the Southern Poverty Law Center says she embarrassed even her fellow milita members. (Most famously, she called for an armed march on Washington, D.C., to "take U.S. senators and congressmen into custody, hold them for trial, and, if necessary, execute them."). Far from a death camp, Beech Grove is the primary maintenance facility for Amtrak's long-distance trains, overhauling and repairing approximately 700 passenger cars a year. Company officials, who've heard these theories for years, welcomed our film crew, and John Grey, the superintendent of the facility, showed us anything we wanted to see.B) The turnstiles and "prison bars": According to Grey, that system was the company's initial attempt at an electronic system to log in and out its 500 employees. They're similar to a pair of subway turnstiles. As the technology evolved, so too did the Amtrak infrastructure: There are no more bars to funnel employees through one set of gates; now there are electronic kiosks across the property where workers can clock in and out. "That system was short-lived," Grey says. "Now there are kiosks everywhere."
-The "large warehouse" with windows and doors that are blocked: When the original footage was filmed, the "Coach 3" building, one of three original repair facilities on the property, was in the process of being emptied and consolidated into the other two massive warehouses on the property. That's why it was boarded up. The building was demolished about seven years ago.
-New gas pipes and furnaces: In 1993, the existing centralized power plant for steam heat was deemed too expensive and inefficient. That year, the company upgraded to localized forced-air gas heaters. (Hence the "new gas pipes" seen in 1994.) "The volume of gas use went up, so we rerouted the gas line from a front entrance to the back entrance," Grey said, "just like you would at your house."
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sharin:
part 2)
4. Hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins
CLAIM: "500,000 plastic air-tight coffins in the middle of Atlanta Georgia. Apparently the Government is expecting a Half Million people to die relatively soon, and the Atlanta Airport is a major airline traffic hub, probably the biggest in the country, which means Georgia is a prime base to conduct military operations and coordination. It is also the home of the CDC, the Center for Disease Control. I don't want to alarm anyone, but usually you don't buy 500,000 plastic coffins 'just in case something happens,' you buy them because you know something is going to happen. These air tight seal containers would be perfect to bury victims of plague or biological warfare in, wouldn't they?"FACT: The black polypropylene products purported to be coffins are grave liners, or burial vaults, manufactured by Convington, Ga.-based Vantage Products. (In this case, they are examples of the company's Standard Air Seal model.) The use of a burial vault, which prevents the collapse of cemetery ground and protects the casket, is a common requirement when a body is interred.
The filmed lot in Madison, Ga., is a Vantage storage facility. Of the 900,000 or so in-ground burials in the U.S. each year, a small percentage of those people prearranged their own caskets and vaults--which Vanguard holds at the storage facility until the appropriate time. According to company Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey, there are approximately 50,000 vaults in storage in Madison. "It's nowhere near the quantity they talk about on the Internet," he told the local Morgan County Citizen newspaper. Furthermore, Lacey has said the company maintains detailed records of product ownership and is audited annually, to insure all vaults are accounted for.
5. Executive orders
FEMA Memo
CLAIM: "FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation." (The site then lists 14 executive orders as examples.)FACTS: In 1962, while juggling conflicts in Cuba and Vietnam, and the potential for nuclear war with the Soviets, President John F. Kennedy signed a series of executive orders that outlined the basic framework for agency responsibilities during a national emergency. Most of those have since been revoked, or rolled into a single, more comprehensive executive order signed by President Reagan. Safeguards were written into the current framework of responsibilities, declaring that any emergency preparation or actions "shall be consistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States."
According to Bruce Ackerman, Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale Law School, "The question of whether executive power could be abused so as to act inconsistently with the law has been a central constitutional concern for years. But the question in this case is whether it's right to look at 47-year-old executive orders without studying what came after them. And the answer there is obviously no."
The idea of the government seizing all the nation's farmland or forcing Americans into labor camps is without basis--except in Hollywood. In the first X-Files movie, the character Dr. Alvin Kurtzweil meets agent Mulder in a dark alley. "Are you familiar with what the Federal Emergency Management Agency's real power is?" Kurtzweil asks. "FEMA allows the White House to suspend Constitutional government on declaration of a national emergency. Think about that!"
Speculation about the agency was rampant after the film came out, leading a FEMA spokesman to tell The Washington Post in an article published on June 24, 1998: "You may emphatically state that FEMA does not have, never has had, nor will ever seek, the authority to suspend the Constitution." In fact, it led to an internal FEMA memo, reading: "While entertaining and somewhat humorous to the employees of FEMA, some moviegoers may not understand that they are watching a fictional portrayal of the agency. " Most people know us as the agency that responds to natural disasters, others believe we have a somewhat sinister role. For the latter, it is not realistic to think that we can convince them otherwise and it is advisable not to enter into debate on the subject."
Read more: FEMA Camps - Debunking FEMA Camp Myths - Popular Mechanics
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sharin:
FEMA and local law enforcement broke all kinds of laws and constitutional rights during Katrina.
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sharin:
You go girl! I stopped at "internet evangelist" :D
If this enlightens even one conspiracy theorist that stops in for a peek, you have done an awesome service.
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maasanova:
FEMA, under the leadership of "you're doing a heck of a job" (Michael) Brown[ie]
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sharin:
The point was not who was leading FEMA at the time, but rather your source which said that FEMA was designed to operate and "be consistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States."
In the event of Katrina, it clearly wasn't, so therefore, just like the job they tried with 9/11, there is little reason to acknowledge the rest of the "facts" and the apparent debunking attempted here by Popular Mechanics.
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maasanova:
from a USA TODAY article Sept 2005
Exposed by Katrina, FEMA's flaws were years in making
When Hurricane Katrina submerged a city, ravaged three states and disrupted hundreds of thousands of lives, it also laid bare huge gaps in the nation's ability to respond to disasters. None is more jaw-dropping than the ineptitude shown by the federal agency created to respond to natural disasters.Many failures of FEMA — the Federal Emergency Management Agency — have been reported in recent days: People stranded for days on New Orleans' rooftops without food or water. Patients dying for lack of medical supplies. The agency couldn't even get supplies to thousands marooned at the Morial Convention Center — though reporters and even singer Harry Connick Jr. managed to reach the scene.
But a deeper review of the agency's history, the records of its top managers and internal memoranda reveal far deeper problems than a momentary burst of poor decisions. Over the past four years, the Bush administration has replaced competent leaders with people long on political connections but short on disaster management expertise. At the same time, the war on terrorism has drained the agency's resources and reduced its effectiveness.
Katrina would have been devastating regardless, but those actions turned FEMA into something akin to New Orleans' famous levees — a structure sure to fail when a big disaster struck.
Since Katrina, blame for FEMA's blundering has zeroed in on the agency's director, Michael Brown. His failure should not have been a surprise. He had almost no experience in disaster work before he was appointed in 2003 by President Bush, and confirmed by the Senate, to lead the agency. Before joining FEMA as its counsel in 2001, Brown, a friend of the FEMA director who hired him, worked for nine years as a commissioner at an Arabian horse association.
But that's only the tip of FEMA's management problems. Brown's top deputy, Patrick Rhode, is equally inexperienced, according to his résumé. Rhode worked for Bush's 2000 campaign and for the White House doing advance operations. Another senior FEMA manager, Daniel Craig, had been a lobbyist for electric cooperatives.In addition, FEMA has seen an exodus of experienced officials over the past four years. By the time Katrina struck, three senior positions were either vacant or filled on an "acting" basis, including the director running Katrina-ravaged Mississippi and Alabama.
The reasons for most of the departures are unclear. But since 2003, FEMA has been downgraded — swallowed up by the new Homeland Security Department, created to protect the nation from terrorism. The shift is logical. Responding to a major terrorist attack has a lot in common with responding to a natural disaster. But instead of building on the existing disaster response system, terrorism became a new and largely separate focus.
According to a Government Accountability Office report, more than 75% of the agency's preparedness grants next year are targeted to state and local readiness for terrorism — a mismatch to reality. Leaders of the National Emergency Management Association feared the impending result. Five of the group's leaders came to Washington just days before Katrina struck to warn Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that the shift, including more proposed erosions of FEMA's role, was weakening their readiness for disasters. The warning was prophetic.
James Lee Witt, the Clinton-era FEMA director who earned rare bipartisan praise for lifting the agency from scandal-prone backwater to a professional operation, says "it's like a stake has been driven through the heart of emergency management."
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part 2) (I love google)
That is where FEMA stood as Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29 along the Gulf Coast. Hours later, and more than a day after he was warned of the huge storm, Brown sent a memorandum to his boss asking for 1,000 volunteers to support rescuers. Brown said the volunteers would be sent for training within 48 hours. Part of their mission? "Convey a positive image of disaster operations."What has FEMA been doing with its budget, if not gauging how many people it would need to react quickly to a huge disaster, identifying their skills and training them to be ready?
The path toward improvement is clear. It seems obvious that the FEMA leadership needs to be replaced with professionals. But sacrificial firings would not excuse the decisions that put them there, nor would they entirely fix the problem.
What's needed is a speedy and impartial investigation of what went wrong with a focus on finding the best way to address the dual threats of terrorism and natural disaster.
Bush declared Tuesday that he would lead an internal review. That is neither practical, given the demands on a president, nor would it likely be regarded as credible.
What about Congress? On Wednesday, Republican congressional leaders said the House and Senate will jointly investigate the disaster response at all levels. Oversight is Congress' job, but in the current climate, it's likely to have a hard time finding truth as Democrats try blame Bush while Republicans defend him. Congress also contributed to the problems by ignoring pleas for money to refurbish levees and natural barriers.
A better option might be an independent panel like the 9/11 Commission, or perhaps even the 9/11 Commission itself, given the terrorism connection.
The government got it wrong after 9/11. It can't afford another miss.
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sharin:
I TOTALLY agree with you! I just spent 15 minutes reposting what you have already done! Now I must delete all of what I've done! LMAO!
And yet, with ALL of the "employees" and military personel that have had some sort of access to any of these so-called "camps", none have come forward? If there is one thing I am QUITE certain about is that we Americans CAN'T KEEP OUR MOUTHS SHUT!
***FACT***
From the Snopes file:
"Dannemeyer's list of "suspicious deaths" was largely taken from one compiled by Linda Thompson, an Indianapolis lawyer who in 1993 quit her year-old general practice to run her American Justice Federation, a for-profit group that promotes pro-gun causes and various conspiracy theories through a shortwave radio program, a computer bulletin board and sales of its newsletter and videos.
Her list, called "The Clinton Body Count: Coincidence or the Kiss of Death?" then contained the names of 34 people she believed died suspiciously and who had ties to the Clinton family. Thompson admitted she had "no direct evidence" of Clinton killing anyone. Indeed, she said the deaths were probably caused by "people trying to control the President" but refused to say who they were."
Comspiracy theorists are a dime a dozen. Many just want to sell a book to fools, make money and then laugh all the way to their bank deposit box...since they don't want to claim any money as income and have to pay taxes on their ill-gotten gains!
Many of these flim-flam artists jump from one conspiracy theory to the next.
Has anyone ever heard of Orly Taitz?
LMFAO!
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sharin:
Popular Mechanics also swears that the world trade towers collapsed the way the 9 11 commission said they did....so..I wouldn't believe much of what that rag says about anything!
I certainly don't believe that the U.S. is going to turn into Auschwitz , but having the ability to detain thousands of people is something I believe they have thought long and hard about. The Patriot Act allows for complete take over by the government...would this happen ? If martial law didn't work I believe they would simply arrest and detain as many as they though necessary...kill them ? eh...who really knows? - 10 months ago
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nikonwilly:
Great point nikonwilly... =)
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nikonwilly:
Uh.....they did.
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Buckeye_Bill:
and will again. I don't agree with the alarmist perspective of this video but there is a need to be aware of possibility so we are not surprised to reaction rather than being prepared and responding.
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