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"they're fulfilling the needs of the one-percenters."

What "needs" are those, and how are you privy to them?

Yes, the needs of the one-percenters. "Law and order." In our corrupt "democracy," "voters" vote to screw themselves because they are controlled by the one-percenters using a form of carrot-and-stick strategy. The voters shut up, fill out the paperwork, and run the machines, supporting the "system" that lobotomizes them into supporting either Democrats or Republicans, and they get a food-pellet in their pans, consisting of consumer crap they are programmed into craving, etc. They stand up for their rights (as in the video clip at the head of this thread), or, worse, complain about the mass slaughter of innocents our Capitalist Corporatocracy subborns, and the goons might bust their skulls. Gestapo, 1933, pure and simple.

They are increasingly indistinguishable from the goose-stepping brown-shirts, and gestapo! I agree 100%! They serve the same authoritarian-fascist style masters.

I am no 1%er, but know we need police to maintain a civil society. That is irrefutable.

{ the "system" that lobotomizes them }

I sense conspiracy theory here. These evil 1%ers who are plotting and planning the rest of our lives behind closed doors to which only they have the special keys....

"consumer crap they are programmed into craving"

So, that is part of this "mind control," eh? I remember a Cosby skit when he was pretending he was a little kid. He was watching a horror show on TV, terrified out of his mind, believing the monsters were coming, unable to move, afraid to even look around.

Then, dad comes up and "click," turns off the TV. Monster gone....

Expansion of the idea of "civil society" is in order here. What's civil about cops who lose their cool and kick the stuffing out of some citizen-protester who does not represent a threat? Maintenance of a civil society is the responsibility not just of police, but of parents, friends, employers, ministers, politicians, television and radio commentators, and so on. The police end up being the "thin blue line" between civility and incivility caused by the interaction between controllers and the controlled. When the police become incivil, society is in danger of collapse.

"Conspiracy theory" is a meaningless combination of buzzwords. People get together and make plans how to achieve their goals. It's not properly termed "conspiracy." Terming just about anything as "conspiracy theory" is a corruption, and amounts to the use of a red herring as a diversion from meaningfulness.

"What's civil about cops who lose their cool and kick the stuffing out of some citizen-protester who does not represent a threat?"

Why not get the perspective of the noble police instead of OWS street trash? How many have resisted lawful arrest, thrown rocks at police, hurled firebombs, and screamed obscenities in their faces? Take THAT into consideration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skull and Bones. Aushwitz Americana.

Most police are noble, but some police are corrupt, violent criminals. Some OWS are street trash, but most are noble. So what?

That second paragraph of yours sound like you are referring to the Green Mountain Boys or the real original Tea Partiers - American Revolutionaries - in their struggle against conservative elitists. It's happening again - and this time you're the enemy, the conservative elitists, the plutocrats, tellers of the Big Lie.

I thought the Left-wingers believe that the evil rich elite are oppressing the police by destroying unions and trying to fire them?

Which is it?

Since when am I a spokesperson for the left?

People can be used and oppressed simultaneously.

"People can be used and oppressed simultaneously."

I suppose, but that is not what the Left-wingers imply nor state. The Leftists state anything that seems to align with their myths at the time.

I'm a left-winger and that's what I implied and stated. Now what?

Thanks for admitting to it. The American people need to know what Leftists are really all about.

Yes they do and I'm happy to do my part for the good of the country. Anything to keep it out of the clutches of the right-wingers who are trying to destroy it. I notice you vote your comments up and mine down. I'm sorry you're so needy but it doesn't bother me. I'm not changing your votes.

The American people need to know what right-wing-corporate-fascists are really all about.

The right-wing-corporate-fascists state anything that seems to align with their myths at the time.

Is what you are saying, Mishima, that you think the goons caught doing their thing are justified? Do you enjoy these Neocon storm troops beating up people that you hate? Get a kick out of it? Feel like leaping to their defense? There are good cops, and there are bad cops. These clips are of bad cops. Unfortunately their actions are just fine with a lot of folks. Like you, perhaps? Almost can hear the heads crack open from your bunker, eh?

Why do you distort and misrepresent what I write? Of course, I never justified anything. As I wrote about SIX times already, is that I take issue with the presentation of this as if it were a common occurence, typical behavior of police. I posted the statistics of how often it happens.

Please do not distort my posts. Thanks.

The response you are posting to is based upon turning a simple problem involving police brutality into some sort of political argument. ("I thought the Left-wingers believe that the evil rich elite are oppressing the police by destroying unions and trying to fire them?")

Left or Right, Conservative or Liberal, Radical or Reactionary, these cops are out of control. They're anti-American. Referring to these official crimes in political terms is anti-American and inhumane. Politicizing these crimes consists of implicit support of the cops/criminals.

Well said! The right-wing-corporate-fascist-party mindset in general in america today is purely authoritarian. The dream of the one-party-right-wing-corporate-fascist-police-state is the true heart of "republican" ideology today. As such the police are utterly incapable at any time of doing any kind of wrong.

I do not know why we cannot have honesty on these threads. Why doesn't the person who posted this, or his supporters, state precisely why this was chosen?

I really get fed up with the lies of the Liberals. They will say that these are facts that need to be known. But that is a lie. The truth is they chose these "facts" for a reason, just like they choose "facts" from history to create the kind of history that they want to create.

So, will any Left-winger stand up and state why these particular facts were REALLY chosen? If some Liberal would be honest enough to do that, then a real conversation about values and principles would ensue.

But watch. The Lefties will turn it around and say I am condoning police brutality, answer with questions, make personal attacks, say I want to ignore truth, or whatever they can think of to avoid the truth. Go right ahead.

I really get fed up with the lies of the right-wing-corporate-fascists. They will say that these are facts that need to be known. But that is a lie. The truth is they chose these "facts" for a reason, just like they choose "facts" from history to create the kind of history that they want to create. It's all about right-wing-corporate-fascist propaganda lies, distortion of the truth, all for the profit and domination of the 1% masters and their crony Uncle Tom's.

No, if you read history, you will see that this is another repetition of many times in the past.

"another repetition of many times in the past"? Yes of the right-wing-corporate-fascist police-state tactics of authoritarian brutality, all for the precious 1% masters.

As I mentioned earlier, the cops are a "thin blue line." Really thin. When that line breaks, it's a big problem. If it breaks catastrophically, we fall into the abyss. This is the direction we are headed in. The post addresses this problem. Where is the problem with "honesty?" They're realtime video clips, ostensibly not dramatizations.

The illusion is that the police are in fact protecting civil order. But the cops are at the same time effectively protecting the criminals - banksters, Wall Streeters, the monsters at Goldman Sachs, etc., from rightful protest. In other words, in a larger sense the cops are protecting the criminals from the victims, though the dynamic of the interaction has been corrupted to suggest the police are actually preserving civil order.

The real disorder is the official predator/prey relationship between predatory economic criminals (the "1%") and their prey (the "99%"), established by the one-percenters for their own benefit, and sanctioned by politicians - Republican and Democrat alike - the one-percenters have in their pockets.

"The illusion is that the police are in fact protecting civil order. But the cops are at the same time effectively protecting the criminals - banksters, Wall Streeters, the monsters at Goldman Sachs, etc., from rightful protest."

I disagree. The Tea Party patriots assembled peacefully and lawfully all across the country; two years ago, 300,000 amassed in D.C. without even a trash problem. And they changed the composition of the House and nearly the Senate.

The OWSers, are a different story. The police are there to protect law-abiding citizens and private property.

REAL protest is not oppressed or attacked in America. If one claims that the police are in some kind of conspiracy with a Tea Party-Koch brothers-corporate coterie, it is really absurd. Most police do not give much of a damn about politics; they do their job and go home to their families.

"The real disorder is the official predator/prey relationship between predatory economic criminals (the "1%") and their prey (the "99%"), established by the one-percenters for their own benefit, and sanctioned by politicians - Republican and Democrat alike - the one-percenters have in their pockets."

The rich have too much influence in our political process, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water - the protection of private property and the free market. The citizens participate in it as much as any mythical "1%ers." The citizens play the stock market, take out unnecessary loans, buy Chinese-made products, and pay with credit.

Thanks for this addition to the thread!

{Cases in which police, prison guards and other law enforcement authorities have used excessive force or other tactics to violate victims' civil rights have increased 25% (281 vs. 224) from fiscal years 2001 to 2007 over the previous seven years, the department says}

There are about 13,000,000 arrests every year. Do the math, please. It is fewer than 1 incident in about 40,000 arrests. And consider that among those arrests, how many are with degenerates resisting arrests, running, having just raped and mutilated children?

I missed the part where the folks the cops in the video were degenerates or had just raped and mutilated children. You also refer to data that does not include unreported police crimes, which are almost certainly greatly unreported. Do I also understand from your post that you think the 200+ crimes you cite are just fine and ought to go uncorrected? Can you clarify the grounds for your defense of these official criminals?

For the THIRD time, I wrote that there was no context to these videos. Suppose the guy whom they chased in a speeding car had just ran over a child on a bicycle, and they continue to pursue, knowing they had to stop him, holding their breaths, hoping more people would not be murdered by the savage animal driving the car?

One can sit comfortably in front of a video and make easy assertions, but suppose you actually were experiencing this? Of course, you will misrepresent and distort what I wrote, and probably say that I am condoning this, so go right ahead and change what I wrote as you always do...

Ready.....set....DISTORT!

"You also refer to data that does not include unreported police crimes, which are almost certainly greatly unreported."

I included the data that were available. If you want to negate and deny in such a fashion, then I will present something else I have seen: People report police crimes and brutality when it does not happen, and probably much more often. I have two close relatives who are police who often patrol rough places, and they confide in me. The stories like this they tell are quite interesting. I would relate a few, but you would dismiss it, ignore it, deny it, or distort it.

Well said!

Agree 100% And keep them hidden if you can!, because the goose-stepping jack-booted fascist stormtroopers are starting to catch on and grab phones to destroy the evidence! Stream the footage, upload it immediately! Don't let the right-wing-corporate-fascists win!

Thanks SIBob!

{you "law enforcement people" you can't make all the evil people in the world go away by beating someone for something minor...}

It happens very rarely. The emphasis needs to be on the scumbag criminals, not the brave police who protect us.

If it just happens one time, its too many...."Scumbags" are not going anywhere..Cops are better then that..THAT is the emphasis

{If it just happens one time, its too many...."}

Not reality. There are incompetent teachers who just show up to get a salary, doctors who make mistakes, car repairmen who do not know what they are doing. It does not mean that they should be condemned as a group, nor that it is reality to think that one day they can all be perfect. With the trash and garbage these brave police have to put up with, day after day, it is a wonder more of them are not using the billyclub. We citizens should be criticizing the scum with whom they deal, not the dedicated and brave police who protect us.

I don't feel MOST people condemn them as a group... You have to consider the times we are in, with the betrayal of our own Government and the violence at Occupy.. Having said that to compare an incompetent teacher, or a Doc that makes a mistake to a cop who brutally beats an individual for a MINOR offense, is ridiculous. if a school teacher beat a kid because he/she got on their nerves they would be in jail so fast their heads would spin.. I understand the frustration of watching all types of criminals day after day get away with no punishment and the disrespect that cops can take on a daily basis, but at the end of the day, to inflict pain or or even death upon another out of anger, is far from the answer

I never said it should be accepted, nor did I say it is an answer or recommended.

I DID, however, refer to the hypocrisy of the Left. When they rage in the streets, they condemn the police for maintaining order. They want Occupy to be able to vandalize and terrorize at will and call police response "suppression" of free speech, and signs of corporate fascism.

Yet, when they want to support their radical government unions, they scream that these same mythical corporate fascists are trying to undermine the police by taking away jobs and denying them permission to strike!

It is just lies and hypocricy from the Left-wingers are usual.

Huh? Hypocrisy of the left? where do you get that? from cops beating and maiming people for no good reason?? Last time I looked the people with the clubs and the riot gear were not the protesters... funny thing about that.. the protesters are there for you... If not for liberals we would not have half of the freedoms we have.. Please.. This is not about Left or right someday I hope people will realize that.. we are all on the same team.. its smoke and mirrors divide and conquer and all you sheep fall right into their plan..

"Last time I looked the people with the clubs and the riot gear were not the protesters..."

The street trash throw firebombs at the police.

These OWSers hurl rocks at the people who defend us.

These "protestors" resist arrest, spit in the faces of the brave police, and fight them.

"the protesters are there for you..."

They are AGAINST me and others like me. They want anarchy and the end of free-market capitalism. The Tea Party Patriots are there for me. They are peaceful and they actually bring about change through our legal and traditional processes. Look at November 2010.

" If not for liberals we would not have half of the freedoms we have."

CLASSIC Liberals brought about our freedoms. Today's Modern Liberals want to turn power over to the central government. Thus ending freedom.

Oh Man are you CONFUSED... OK enjoy your freedom Cough Cough

Yes, thank you. The brave police are needed to have the framework of freedom that I enjoy so much. We should all greet and thank them in our routine lives.

yes there are certainly some great cops... but they have nothing to do with TRUE freedom Read up my Friend

They do. Liberty cannot exist in Left-winger anarchy.

Ha! yep we most destroy all left wingers.. man seek help

"yep we most destroy all left wingers.."

They destroy themselves. The problem is that they make many others suffer and live in poverty in the process. Left-wingerism, taken to its logical conclusion, has resulted in literally tens of millions of deaths, and untold misery, starvation and impoverishment.

wow got any facts to back up that crazy talk... amazing you actually buy into this left right stuff. both parties are corrupt as hell! laws, hand outs etc go to the highest bidder.. Rethugs claim socialism and big Government as they slurp up there S.S. checks and their unemployment checks and Government health care (only for politicians) Dems actually think Obama should be reelected, he is more Republican then your pal Reagan... its freaking hysterical to watch all you brainwashed Fox cult followers and the Dem Obamabots...

The problem is that they make many others suffer and live in poverty in the process. right-wing-corporate-fascism, taken to its logical conclusion, has resulted in literally tens of millions of deaths, and untold misery, starvation and impoverishment. Obviously.

Liberty cannot exist in a right-wing-corporate-fascist-police-state.

Today's Modern right-wingers want to turn power over to the 1% right-wing-corporate-fascist-police-state government. Thus ending freedom.

It is just lies and hypocrisy from the right-wing-corporate-fascists as usual.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery

Imitation is the highest form of flattery, even if unintended.

"amazing you actually buy into this left right stuff. both parties are corrupt as hell!"

Distortion. Show me where I wrote about Democrats and Republicans.

{ as they slurp up there S.S. checks}

SS is a return of money confiscated by the central government.

{ their unemployment checks }

Sensible Conservatives want unemployment benefits limited.

{Government health care (only for politicians) }

Conservatives are against government health care. ObummerCare will destroy our health care.

{its freaking hysterical to watch all you brainwashed Fox cult followers}

How can I watch FOX when I do not get American TV?

just correcting your sadly distorted comments.

Re the video: just how do you know the victims are "scum?"

The "central government" being the government of, by, and for the people. Your mistake is that Neocons have already turned power over to the Corporate Boardroom. You are suggesting this is proper. It's not. It's treason.

For those who hate the police, the glass is half empty. For those who trust the police - and they deserve our trust - the glass is half full.

The empty one preaches hate and discontent. The full one refers to trust and safety and stability.

You did it again. Distorted and misrepresented my posts. Please stop.

Beautifully and truly said! Right-wing-corporate-fascism you're 100% correct! TREASON!

The Gestapo and SS were the "police" in Nazi Germany, and folks who thought as you appear to think trusted them. Blind trust is simple ignorance, frequently inspired by irrational fear - fear, used as a tool by the elite to control the masses.

Perhaps you're one of the fearful masses, the majority of folks who are managing to get by, perhaps comfortably, but who are led into fear of losing your security by those who are using you as a glove puppet.

How, exactly?

"Blind trust is simple ignorance, frequently inspired by irrational fear - fear, used as a tool by the elite to control the masses."

There is no "blind trust," and there is no "irrational fear" in the slightest. And to suggest this is some kind of a "tool" is again to imply that there is some kind of conspiracy in which some elite group hides and plots to coordinate all of these actions across the country. Simply ain't so.

"Perhaps you're one of the fearful masses, the majority of folks who are managing to get by, perhaps comfortably, but who are led into fear of losing your security by those who are using you as a glove puppet."

I don't feel "used" and cannot identify any conspiratorial group or entity that is "using" me. We create our own freedoms and jails, both physically and emotionally. It is unfortunate that you feel used, oppressed and controlled.

I don't.

"How, exactly?"

How what?

How are your posts being distorted, exactly? This is a claim you have made, frequently without explanation. Maybe there is misunderstanding involved, but without discussion it's unclear who is doing the misunderstanding.

"I don't feel "used" and cannot identify any conspiratorial group or entity that is "using" me. We create our own freedoms and jails, both physically and emotionally. It is unfortunate that you feel used, oppressed and controlled."

Leave "oppressed" out of the equation. Consumerist Capitalism uses and controls everyone it can. Really, that's not debatable. It's the whole point of advertising, unless you subscribe to the sort of myth tobbacco companies used to propagate that they were only trying to get confirmed smokers to switch brands. Please.

On the other hand, perhaps you are familiar with the lifecycle of "Dicrocoelium dendriticum." (I'd use the proper form of latin names in italics if I could figure out how to do it in this blog.) I recall these examples from time to time and have written of them here, before. These parasites, an example of an increasing number of similar conditions in various animals, induce activity counterproductive to the host but productive to the parasite.

In the case of Dicrocoelium, the ant is infected with the parasite, which migrates to its brain and commandeers a portion of the ant's control mechanisms, inducing the ant to climb to the top of a blade of grass and wait there, activity that it normally avoids. The reason it does this is that it increases the chances that a grazing ruminant will eat the ant, because the parasite has a lifecycle stage it must complete within the body of the ruminant. Other parasites do the same sort of thing in mice (loss of fear of cats) and even, it turns out, probably humans (risk-taking behavior). New examples are being regularly discovered.

The reason you do not feel you are controlled or used may be that the "parasites" (harbingers of Capitalism) are by design subtle and are intended to appeal subliminally to the appetites they create in the hosts (e.g. "consumers," etc.), inducing the hosts to act against their own best interests, but in the interests of the parasites. A crude example of this is embodied by political campaigning, where simple lies and charade has come to suffice. A more subtle example might be Joe Camel. Or, an unmitigated trust of various sorts of "police."

{Leave "oppressed" out of the equation.}

Good, because nobody is "oppressed" either.

{The reason you do not feel you are controlled or used may be that the "parasites" (harbingers of Capitalism) are by design subtle and are intended to appeal subliminally to the appetites they create in the hosts (e.g. "consumers," etc.), inducing the hosts to act against their own best interests, but in the interests of the parasites.}

Pure Marxist claptrap. Marx thought that those in control of the means of production are also in control of the information the masses get, so they establish values that will support their power:

"The class which is the ruling material force of society is…its ruling
intellectual force…The class which has the means of material production at
its disposal, consequently also controls the means of mental production, so
that the ideas of those that lack the means of mental production are on the
whole subject to it…Their [the controlling capitalists’] ideas are the ruling
ideas of the epoch."
-Karl Marx, Left-winger hero

You wrote, in response to my posts:

" Your mistake is that Neocons have already turned power over to the Corporate Boardroom. You are suggesting this is proper."

That is the distortion, loud and perfectly clear: I never suggested that turning political power over to any "corporate boardroom" is proper. Distortion and misrepresentation.

Well said!

It is what it is. Your lame defense of the Neocon establishment and the corrupt actions of their psuedo-Gestapo is a defense of a system that has in fact turned over control of this nation to a corrupt and arrogant Corporatist Plutocracy. Delinking these ideas is part of the Big Lie.

There is no accusation of malice in this. The word "mistake" was used. It is possible - even probable, considering the vast body of credulous dupes who buy the Lie - that you are simply an innocent, if well-informed, dupe. These days folks with that problem have begun to be called "zombies." It fits. Your avatar, Ronald Reagan, was in this way a perfect zombie - a really nice guy, a great communicator, a middling intellect, and stricken with Alzheimer's Disease. A perfect tool! Only Duh-byuh ever came close to the Gipper's value to the dark side, notwithstanding that dementia was substituted with being an ignoramus. The dark lords picked up on this, obviously - viz, the recent Republican "debates."

"Your lame defense of the Neocon establishment and the corrupt actions of their psuedo-Gestapo is a defense of a system that has in fact turned over control of this nation to a corrupt and arrogant Corporatist Plutocracy."

You distorted my writings again. Completely. You add your interpretation to something I never even said.

Exactly so.

Claptrap? Why would you abandon reasoned discussion in favor of "sticks and stones?" Marx pretty much hit the nail on the head. What about Marx's quote do you think is wrong?

{you are simply an innocent, if well-informed, dupe.}

I hesitate to mention something, but it might help. I live abroad. I do not even get American television. A person living abroad gets a better understanding of his home country, a perspective that others who have lived there all of their lives never could. In addition, I do not get American TV, so how can I possibly be brainwashed? I do get magazines and use the internet, but let me remind you that I subscribe to Media Matters and had a paper subscription for years to Nation magazine and read most of its in-depth articles. I recently finished a history of the 1950s by a Liberal; it was over 700 pages and well acclaimed.

So, to claim I am "duped" is very myopic. What is really going on is that you simply do not like or agree with my conclusions.

{Reagan, was in this way a perfect zombie - a really nice guy, a great communicator, a middling intellect, and stricken with Alzheimer's Disease. A perfect tool!}

Simply not true, and that is irrefutable.

{Marx pretty much hit the nail on the head. What about Marx's quote do you think is wrong?}

Because they are not controlling what we think and our values. To claim so borders on paranoia. There is no ruling class in control of what we think. Our very observation and discussion of this topic proves otherwise.

It is so obvious that to make such a claim is self-contradictory. It would mean that you are not in control of what you are proposing, or it means that you assume you are one of some kind of "elite" that has seen a reality that most cannot. Hardly likely.

But this also aligns with Marx's absurd conceptualization of "ideology." Basically, he classifies the beliefs that the rich have foisted on the people, religion, etc., as "ideologies" because they are false. His ideology, however, is NOT false. He only speaks truth, according to him. This sounds exactly like what you are saying.

The link between "information" and "wisdom" is very tenuous. The perspectives we're speaking from are more a product of the entire interval of our sentient lives.

It's not that I don't like or agree with your conclusions. Some of them are my own. What I don't like is the trajectory the implementation of some of your conclusions - shared by the powerful - lands us in a very bad place, as it has since the time of the Trojan War. In fact, the dramas we see played out from day to day - Libya, Syria, Israel, Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, the foreclosure crisis, credit default swaps, unemployment, depression - denominated as they are in the lives of human men, women, and children - are the graphical endpoints of those trajectories' ends. Happy with what's going on outside your cocoon? Care?

There's a lot of commonality between the leftist Marx and the rightist Leo Strauss. Marx strove to extract his thinking from the mythical, which has plagued thinkers since the Athen's golden age. He wasn't always successful, but some of his stuff is good.

The ruling class always strives to control what we think. Think Madison Avenue. Think Black Ops. Please.

Yes, people in BUSINESS (stop the "ruling class" terminology) try to INFLUENCE people to buy their product, just like the local realtor, the car salesman, the computer salesman or the kid with the shoeshine kit. They ain't controlling what we think, and neither are businesses!!!!