The Sacred Geometry Of Music
source: http://www.freeturbine.com/index.php/news/general-music-news/item/the-sacred-geometry-of-music
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iameam
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This is a fun one too...
- 9 months ago
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iameam
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Incredulous
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iameam:
Oh I've seen this one before, used it in a proposal for a project bridging the arts and sciences, luv the point he made with this, all of the accompanying interviews were wonderful. Fabulous!
- 9 months ago
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Incredulous
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Nabe8
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So?
This is like being mesmerized by a ruler.
Yes, music is an art of relations, with ratios that involve small integers. But this article is pseudo-science.
Saying that western music is based on the number twelve and that it fits perfectly into a circle overlooks the problem that Pythagoras contemplated back in the 5th century B.C: the dreaded Pythagorean comma.
- 9 months ago
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Nabe8
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Incredulous
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CalgarC:
this one, and the one above....nicely complimenting Hurricane Irene as she makes her presence known across our skies here on the east coast...thank you for the reminder of more mellow weather, oceans and skies!
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Incredulous
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Vic_Romano
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CalgarC:
Very nice soundscape!
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Vic_Romano
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CalgarC
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Vic_Romano:
ty :D you can buy it on itunes :D or wait until the album comes out in September :D
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CalgarC
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Vic_Romano
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Incredulous:
I LOVE that song!
- 9 months ago
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Vic_Romano
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Incredulous
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Vic_Romano:
me too...luv the video too...so human
- 9 months ago
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Incredulous
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chew_chew
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For me, music is a non-industrialized, commercial free, connection with something beyond us all, yet of us all and because of us all. A communication which may have dialects, but only one language. A reference point where all of humanity can meet.
What an interesting post, and interesting comments as well.
- 9 months ago
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chew_chew
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warman1138
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I like Pink Floyd and King Crimson, nothing like mellow schizophrenia to start the day.
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warman1138
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jubal
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I can feel the vibrations.
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jubal
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coolplanet
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jubal:
Are we talking Beach Boys?
Or Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch? - 9 months ago
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coolplanet
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alexandrek [removed]
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alexandrek [removed]
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Hardytoo
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alexandrek:
LOL - love it. String theory indeed. The theories of "the strings."
- 9 months ago
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Hardytoo
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Vierotchka
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The beauty of cymatics...
Everything is waves and vibrations, everything has its own music in its core.
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Vierotchka
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Vic_Romano
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Vierotchka:
Now that is cool.
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Vic_Romano
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SandyBerman
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SandyBerman
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Hardytoo
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SandyBerman:
Ohhh!! SandyBerman, this video is really incredible. Thank you so much for sharing it here..
I'm sending it to all on my email list. They'll love it too, as I do. - 9 months ago
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Hardytoo
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ClassicalGas
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Here's a book I highly recommend: Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach
"On its surface, GEB examines logician Kurt Gödel, artist M. C. Escher and composer Johann Sebastian Bach, discussing common themes in their work and lives. At a deeper level, the book is an exposition of concepts fundamental to mathematics, symmetry, and intelligence."
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ClassicalGas
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Hardytoo
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ClassicalGas:
Sounds great; have bookmarked for later. Thanks again.
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Hardytoo
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Vierotchka
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ClassicalGas:
Bach, my favourite composer since babyhood, and Escher, one of my favourite artists since I first saw his work in the sixties... To that I include Vasarely whose artwork evokes Bach-like music in my mind.
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Vierotchka
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percipi224
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ClassicalGas:
.Here is another book;This is Your Brain On Music. I am certified in a process called integrative breathwork. This is called holotropic breathwork, invented by Dr. Stanislav Grof. Read: The Holotropic Mind. IB uses music journey, somatic release, art and dialogue to delve into the psychi, that innner universe, the unexplored country. I will certainly read Godel.
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percipi224
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Lairderg
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I believe the best music resonates that way, although I've never studied math beyond high school, and I do think most people don't realize this fully as they experience music. They just know what it does for them.
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Lairderg
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Hardytoo
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Lairderg:
Would guess that's the reason that good, well-written music is so "heart-felt" - goes right to the core - people love it cuz they "just know what it does for them." Good description.
Cheers! - 9 months ago
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Hardytoo
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Gillian_Marktoo
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I call bullshit on this argument. Right off the bat the writer asserts that most people can successfully count and measure time in music. As a person who grew up playing music and going out clubbing as a young adult, if there's one thing I learned - it's that there are boatloads of people w/ no sense of timing or rhythm.
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Gillian_Marktoo
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Vierotchka
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Gillian_Marktoo:
It is not so much that they have no sense of timing or rhythm than the fact that they have difficulties coordinating their voluntary physical movements with rhythm. Rhythm is intrinsic to humans and all vertebrates, based on the beating heart and on breathing - be it with lungs or with gills.
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Vierotchka
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maasanova
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"The Great Work" is what the freemasons called it.
It is the basis for a lot of the great classical works from Mozart and Beethoven as well as a lot of famous buildings and works of art.
I think it has its basis in the Kabbalah if I'm not mistaken.
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maasanova
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Hardytoo
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maasanova:
If you've ever learned how to read, then play music, you'll completely understand that it's completely mathematical. "Sacred Geometry" (what the Masons believe) has been with us since Pythagrus. We're talking here of mathematics as it relates to music - I'm thinkin' they're 2 different things, altho mathematics applies to both. The resonance you feel in your chest, or what resonates when you hear clearly what a big band sounds like, or a drum solo, or when sounds combine and enmesh is what's being referred to here.
It's far deeper than the beliefs of the 'masons or the kaballah. I think that's what is meant by this; could be wrong, maybe I'm misinterpreting. - 9 months ago
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Hardytoo
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maasanova
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Hardytoo:
I briefly glanced over the article and bookmarked it for later reading and to try some of this stuff on my synths.
I do know how to read music and I've taken some music theory and yes it's all mathematics. Maybe we're talking about two different things, my point was that I don't think that composers like Mozart were ignorant of these theories when they were composing their works.
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maasanova
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Hardytoo
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maasanova:
Probably right - I do not know.
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Hardytoo
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Hardytoo
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maasanova:
Yes, I think they were totally aware of the "math" correctness, I honestly don't know about the rest of your idea.
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Hardytoo
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JanforGore
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maasanova:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI
I agree with you on this, especially regarding Beethoven. His being deaf may have also been a factor in his use of such theories.
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JanforGore
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Vic_Romano
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JanforGore:
"Einstein once said that while Beethoven created his music, Mozart's "was so pure that it seemed to have been ever-present in the universe, waiting to be discovered by the master." Einstein believed much the same of physics, that beyond observations and theory lay the music of the spheres — which, he wrote, revealed a "pre-established harmony" exhibiting stunning symmetries. The laws of nature, such as those of relativity theory, were waiting to be plucked out of the cosmos by someone with a sympathetic ear."
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Vic_Romano
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JanforGore
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Vic_Romano:
Well, I have no doubt Einstein was correct about Mozart. He was pure genius. I love both his and Beethoven's works. If you were to interpret their musical symmetry on canvas in a painting while it was playing it would be interesting to see what picture would be created.
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JanforGore
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Vic_Romano
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JanforGore:
Me too!
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Vic_Romano
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Hardytoo
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JanforGore:
Exactly right. We don't even have to have aural function. Music goes to the core of being (in most mammals). Wonderful video, thanks Jan.
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Hardytoo
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charliesommers
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Vic_Romano:
The second movement of the concerto you selected is one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever composed. I have never been able to listen to it and remain dry eyed. Beethoven's final piano concerto, No. 32, effects me the same way.
Long after Lady Gaga and her ilk have been forgotten people will still worship at the shrines of Mozart and Beethoven.
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charliesommers
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Vic_Romano
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charliesommers:
I totally agree with you. I chose the first movement because I remember studying my physics and calculus to Mozart when I was in college. I always found the first movement to be more playful and it always coincided with my sense of curiosity....call it weird, but when I read that Einstein article about his love for Mozart.....it was just very validating.
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Vic_Romano
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Wyley_Wombat
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Hardytoo:
The Quaballah goes back to the ancient Hebrews and far predates the Freemasons. The point here though is that every point on the Tree of Life has it's own musical note and place on the scale of colour.
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Wyley_Wombat
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Vic_Romano
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Symmetry...asymmetry. Good as any time to fly away.
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Vic_Romano
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Hardytoo
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Vic_Romano:
Love them Chili Peppers, nobody like'em.
Good stuff Vic. Thanks much. - 9 months ago
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Hardytoo
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ClassicalGas
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In Search of the Lost Chord -
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ClassicalGas
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Hardytoo
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ClassicalGas:
Realllly excellent, thank you for this.
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Hardytoo
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ClassicalGas
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Hardytoo:
Glad you like it. :-)
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ClassicalGas
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Lairderg
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ClassicalGas:
Love this song, album, and group. A lot of interesting music-math also in "Strange Times" (not very well known). The score of "Too Big to Fail" (one of the 11 Emmy nominations for this wonderful HBO special) also reminds of me the time-math-music continuum.
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Lairderg
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ClassicalGas
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Lairderg:
Thanks, Lairderg - I'm checking these out.
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ClassicalGas
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Hardytoo
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I'm "pickin' up good vibrations...."
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Hardytoo
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remanns
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neat-O !
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remanns
