Native American Protest Music and Video Lounge Featuring Buffy Sainte-Marie
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I revisited this post a week later to listen to these songs again only to find them all voted down.
Songs that were voted up by 4 and 5 last week are now 0 and 1.
The paid deniers seem to be on a roll.
Current should eliminate voting down!
This is how greedy guts tries to weaken us.
No one will probably read this message by now because it's old news.
Who did the rethuglicans screw this week? - 9 months ago
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I have adored Buffy since I was a young hippy back in the 60s.
This song/video 'No No Keshagesh' (greedy guts) fires me up like nothing she's ever done before.
What a beautiful woman on so many levels!
What a genius of song and dance.
I am 100% Injun because of people like her.
I hope this becomes the anthem of the Tar Sands protest and beyond.
No more greedy guts!!!!! - 9 months ago
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I bought this bumper sticker at a shop near the Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument.
http://assets3.indy.com/photos/126705/default.jpg - 9 months ago
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OlBlue:
And there's this one...
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Buffy Sainte-Marie possesses great "a-da-ta-we-do-d"...to "gu-na" her People!
I "di-si-dv-ni-s-di" her efforts to keep this Earth "u-da-nv-ga-lv-da".
"You say: Why do not the Indians till the ground and live as we do? May we not ask, why do the white people do not hunt and live as we do? The Great God of Heaven has given each their lands... he has stocked yours with hog, ours with bear; yours with sheep, ours with deer. he has indeed given you an advantage, in that your cattle are tame and domestic while ours are wild and demand not only a larger space for range, but art to hunt and kill them."
- Corn Tassel, Tsa-la-gi (Cherokee) 1785P.S. Translation: Buffy Sainte-Marie possesses great "knowledge"...to "lead" her People!
I "applaud" her efforts to keep this Earth "clean".
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Buckeye_Bill:
Although Emerson is usually credited with the saying, it was Sitting Bull who, after one broken treaty after another, told the American government, "What you do speaks so loudly that I can no longer hear what you say."
The great tragedy is that it was learned too late.
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Littlewolf:
"Whole Indian Nations have melted away like snowballs in the sun before the white man's advance. They leave scarcely a name of our people except those wrongly recorded by their destroyers. Where are the Delewares? They have been reduced to a mere shadow of their former greatness.
We had hoped that the white men would not be willing to travel beyond the mountains. Now that hope is gone. They have passed the mountains, and have settled upon Tsalagi (Cherokee) land. They wish to have that usurpation sanctioned by treaty. When that is gained, the same encroaching spirit will lead them upon other land of the Tsalagi (Cherokees). New cessions will be asked.
Finally the whole country, which the Tsalagi (Cherokees) and their fathers have so long occupied, will be demanded, and the remnant of the Ani Yvwiya, The Real People, once so great and formidable, will be compelled to seek refuge in some distant wilderness. There they will be permitted to stay only a short while, until they again behold the advancing banners of the same greedy host. Not being able to point out any further retreat for the miserable Tsalagi (Cherokees), the extinction of the whole race will be proclaimed.
Should we not therefore run all risks, and incur all consequences, rather than to submit to further loss of our country? Such treaties may be alright for men who are too old to hunt or fight. As for me, I have my young warriors about me. We will hold our land."
~Chief Dragging Canoe, Chickamauga Tsa-la-gi (Cherokee)Notice how even back then Great Chiefs used the word "Indain", too.
But that didn't NOR doesn't make it right for those times OR for ours!
The Black Man once described himself using the word "nigger", even though it was WRONG then as it is WRONG now! To me and how my father raised me, Indian is seen the same way.
You could argue the point with him, but he passed away in 1993, so that won't happen..
As time passes, should we not become more intelligent? Or remain as ignorant as we once were?
I say we learn to be smarter! And I don't have to ask you what you believe...I know you think that, too!
BTW, did you receive my PM?
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Not too long ago, to even have made the remark that you had one eenie, weenie, teeny, tiny, itsy, bitsy drop of indigenous blood coursing through your veins, whites considered you less than, not equal to them.
And when I hear people speak how they have 1/32th of this or that...well, my dog probably has 1/32th part "cat" in him, too.
But he wouldn't go around bragging about it.
Plus, of all these DNA genetics tests I have researched, not one of them break ancestral lineage down to percentages.
So, that's one of those "old wives tales" voicing how one could be 1/32th anything.
I remember back in the day people used to BRAG about having an "Eighth Grade Education"...because MOST people never made it that "high" through school.
It was an indication of great knowledge!
Rut roe! Time to walk my dog named Cat. He's scratching at the door wanting to "go"....nature calls....can't live with it...can't exist without it!
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Buckeye_Bill:
It does not matter to me how much American Indian blood is coursing through a person's being - 1/32 can be enough to stir the genuine human being, overcome indoctrination of the soul, and awaken the mind. Having any American Indian blood is cause for pride.
DNA is a funny thing - but I don't think your dog has any feline DNA on board. Genetic tests may not be able to quantify lineage, but the family tree can. I welcome those DNA orphans who are proud of their ancient nucleotides and return to the beliefs of their American Indian ancestors, no matter how remote -
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Littlewolf:
Perhaps I did go a little overboard with the reference to a dog having feline roots, but that does not make it so that if a rose is called by any other name...it's STILL a rose.
This idea that all are indigeous because they wish it or can prove it is not up to me, as I see ALL human beings as my brothers and sisters.
The kicker here is you MUST ACT like a human being to BE one.
Correct?
My father......a man of few words and ALL action. He taught me mostly by example with some words.
People talk too much and listen to little.
"God Invented baloney so some people could be full of it."
"Money may talk, but it still hasn't learned to speak Tsa-la-gi (Cherokee)."
- Jay Red Eagle, Tsa-la-gi Tribe member (Cherokee) - 9 months ago
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Littlewolf:
I read somewhere that the majority of native (little "n") western Canadians have Indian blood in their lineage. The intermixing began in the 1600s and continues today. It can get legally complicated in Canada who is "officially" Métis and who isn't.
An Indian once told me he was really offended by people who said "I am one-quarter Indian" or "I am one-eighth Indian." He said either you're Indian or you're not. It's more about state of mind.
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Buckeye_Bill:
Your first point about the rest of us not using your native names for yourselves is well taken. When referring to the indigenous people I try to use only the names I've heard them use to refer to themselves, i.e. Ojibwa, Dineh, Chiricahua, Modoc, etc. Might this not be a good way to educate us in the correct terms? Our schools teach only the appelation, "Indian", but there are many of us who would be more comfortable calling you by the correct names.
I was recently puzzled by the Tsa-la-gi decision to remove blacks who share a measure of their ancestry from their tribes. A friend of mine, who had been so very proud of his heritage was really hurt by this, as I'm sure were others.
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savvy7:
I suppose it's similar to white South Africans being considered true Africans even though they are white and their ancestors go back 150 years or less. As you recall from history lessons how the Boer Wars were fought by the British against the Dutich-speaking Afrikaans over African lands that actually should have been considered Zulu land who did their level best to rid their lands of both of the "white demons"! Which, until Nelson Mandela's push for independence, the African version of Dr. Martin Luther Kings, Jr., that finally brought an end to apartheid and the white rule over that indigenous people!
So, who really is to say who is or isn't a full-fledged member of a "tribe" except the majority of those of the same "race"?
As hard as I could try, I can't change my racial heritage. What titles people place on others is not the way it should be. I can't decide for you who or what you want to be called. That's YOUR decision as to what YOU want ME to refer to you either by a personal name or a tribal name.
The problem arises when Tribes adopt those that are not of their race into their Tribe.
Is that not an honorary title? One that was bestowed upon someone by the grace of a particular People? So, as you can see, all is not "black and white" when it comes to this dilemma.
I say it should be like when a family adopts a child into their family. They become a member of that family for all time.
So it should be for the Black Brothers who have lived amongst their "Family" now for generations.
Does not the child that is adopted into a family that then becomes a parent to children believe their offspring will inherit the family lineage or does the adoptive family reject the children of their adopted family member? No, all is of one family and one family is made up of all it's members!
All the races and tribes in the world are like the different colored flowers of one meadow. All are beautiful. As children of the Creator they must all be respected.
Peace to you and yours.
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My father was a human being that inculcated his thoughts and ideals into me.
I, of course, miss him so.
He was born, January 13, 1923, and had a piece of paper that had stamped across the top of it, "NONCITIZEN", that he used to enter the Army in 1948. It was what some would call a "Birth Certificate". My father would have had a worse time proving his being "native born" than Mr. Obama has had since that paper was an "affidavit" sworn to by family members that my father was born on or about the date it had placed on it.
His eyes were so piercing that you "felt" him stare into your soul. He beat me as a child. He used his gaze and would brow-beat me! I swear to this day, I would have MUCH rather had him use a bullwhip on me than that stare! He NEVER raised a hand against me.
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Buckeye_Bill:
Thank you for sharing that. Your Dad was a good looking man and his face shows a lot of character. One of my great grandmothers was a Syrian Jew and I, therefore, feel an affinity for many Jews from that strain, even though I wan not raised as a Jew. But from a Jewish standpoint, I would probably not be considered Jewish enough. The friend I referenced, had a great-grandmother who was a full fledged member of the Tsalagi nation and so thought of himself as African-American Indian. Still does, I think.
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savvy7:
Of all the titles that there is for me to choose from that best describes who and what I am, "human being" is my choice.
Earthling is a close second.
Oh...thank you for your kind words relating to my father. He was a very gentle man who would not argue AT ALL. He did not care for confrontation. He would not have cared for all this web commenting. If he spoke ten words in a day, it was a rare occasion.
He saw what needed to be done and did it. I worked with him and as I would see others discussing what a job would require to complete the task, he would have it done while they were still in discussions on how to accomplish it. He taught me how to work with my hands and encouraged me to untilize my brain power. He thought knowing and doing were the keys to success. And as I travel life's road, I have met the "talkers", the "thinkers", the "think but can't doers" and the "can't think but can doers".
I am SO thankful he taught me how to think AND do! It's called "self-sufficiency".
One other thing he taught me that I am, again, SO thankful for his advice is what to look for in a human being that would become my life-partner! His advice was to see how they viewed their father. If they cherished him and loved him with all their heart, I would be a very happy man if I received one tenth of that from her as her equal partner in a lasting relationship. If she had no respect for her father and didn't love him with all her heart, I would be a very unhappy man and receive ten times that lack of respect and love and never be an equal partner in a relationship that will not last!
I am so thankful I took his advice on these two subject matters!
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LOL! Guess what? My moither was of German-Jewish descent! So, if there is one person that possesses two halves of the Tribes of Man that have been as persecuted as these two, 'tis I.
Perhaps that is what molded who I am so much. Nurture AND nature!
The "double whammy"!
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Buckeye_Bill:
You have a remarkable family history, and I'll bet you have many more wonderful stories to tell. May whoever or whatever you believe in will rain blessings down on you and yours.
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savvy7:
Thank you. But I truly feel that we ALL have a remarkable family history! Each one of us.
I would LOVE to hear yours!
I'm a "people person" at heart. I can be entertained forever listening to others speak of their accomplishments, hopes, dreams, wants and needs!
Aren't we all the same?
I was brought up thinking that!
Peace to you and yours, too!
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She has been around and has been great the whole time . The mainstream is too lame to handle her .
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For the record, a lot of us prefer to be called American Indian. It is the only ethnicity that puts American first. It is the label under which we were tortured, slaughtered, marched to "reservations", under which our land was stolen, our children taken from us - forced to become Christians in order to give up our "heathen, savage" beliefs, and it is a subtle reminder of the folly of Columbus thinking he had reached India. "Native American" was coined as some new-age label; we didn't ask for it. Consider the American Indian Movement - self-named.
Can you imagine if the Washington Redskins were called the Washington Jigaboos? The Atlanta Braves the Atlanta Tarbabies? How long do you think that would last? Just some food for serious thought.
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Littlewolf:
Hmmm . I am glad to know what you think about this . What do you think of " First Nation Peoples " ? After all they were first , and "Indian " is just because some dude was looking for India and thought he found it .....
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Littlewolf:
I completely respect what you say and stand corrected.
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Littlewolf:
I know my family, on my father's side, HATED the word indian.
That was a fightin' word.
White man slang.
Not one self-respecting "Human Being" appreciated being called an indian. We Tsa-la-gi were known to to all other tribes as Ani Yv-wi-ya, The Real People.
Respect and honor was acknowledged by relating to the one standing in front of you by their tribal association.
Lakota, Cheyenne, Tsa-la-gi (my ancestry) or Kickapoo, for example.
The word, or phrase actually, indian represented a way to describe subhumans...savages!
Like how Blacks were called Negroes!
They didn't like that, either!
I know I would NEVER have referred to MY father as an "indian". Not to his face!
Also, he wasn't too hot on Native American for that matter.
He, like ALL those that I knew or know now prefer to be called...human beings.
The highest of all compliments you could bestow upon anyone.
"Words to the song...in Tsa-la-gi":
"u ne la nv i u we tsi
i ga go yv he i
hna quo tso sv wi yu lo se
i ga gu yv ho nva se no i u ne tse i
i yu no du le nv
ta li ne dv tsi lu tsi li
u dv ne u ne tsve lo ni gv ni li squa di
ga lu tsv he i yu
ni ga di da ye di go i
a ni e lo hi gvu na da nv ti a ne hv
do da ya nv hi li
tsa sv hna quo ni go hi lv
do hi wa ne he sdiu ne la nv i u we tsi
i ga go yv he i
hna quo tso sv wi yu lo se
i ga gu yv ho nv" - 9 months ago
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Littlewolf:
"Consider the American Indian Movement - self-named."
They, MISTAKENLY, chose that name so the whites would know who they were. By calling themselves anything else that would only have confused the white man.
Funny, isn't it. How a white man doesn't realize how Human Beings use the phrase "white man" as a derogatory expression of our dislike for them!
It's like what the sound of spit makes on a hot rock to those I know! Haven't you noticed how the edge of our lips turn down when we speak of them? Kinda, sorta like that "snarl" Dick Cheney had permanently affixed to his face...disdain!
"Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them".
~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsa-la-gi (Cherokee)Yah-Tah-Hey-Si-Kess
(pictured is that ten commandments do-hicky thang...ANOTHER of the influences of the white man's making)
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coolplanet:
Most of us consider ourselves to be "the human beings".
But that doesn't comport with the European agenda or religions - originated and perpetuated by memes, where truth is never a requirement (see: The Virus of the Mind by Richard Brodie and The Meme Machine by Susan Blackmore and Richard Dawkins for some real eye-openers) and although my heritage is Blackfoot, this old Inuit song - one of my favorites - sets forth a general idea of American Indian values - since no money and no men are part of it, we had to be "saved" by the missionaries.
“I think over again all my small adventures,
My fears,
Those small ones that seemed so big,
of all the vital things I had to get, and had to reach.
And yet, there is only one great thing,
The only thing,
To live and see the great day that dawns,
And the light that fills the world.” - 9 months ago
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Buckeye_Bill:
I say free Leonard Peltier - he knows what "American Indian" means - If he coins a new label for us, I would accept it.
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Littlewolf:
All I can say to that is Mr. Peltier did not raise me.
My father did that. And, if I must say so, he did a FINE job!
As my pride of blood and ancestry shows.
I have go-hi-yu-hi...respect...for my ancestors!
"The Great Spirit is displeased with you for accepting the ways of the white people. You can see for yourselves, your hunting is gone and you are planting the corn of the white men...You yourselves can see that the white people are entirely different beings from us; we are made from Red Clay." -Tsali, Tsa-la-gi Medicine Man (Cherokee)
do-hi-yi (peace)
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HarukoHaruhara:
Thanks for this!
I had forgotten about this great band. - 9 months ago
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There are very few Native American Hollywood films that really portray Indians very accurately. There were a lot of problems with Dances with Wolves, and don't get me started on Thunderheart. "Hidalgo" had its moments, but became hokey. This is my favourite Indian film, "Smoke Signals."
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HarukoHaruhara:
How about Windwalker starring Trevor Howard?
I love that movie!
Yes the ending is a little sappy.
But sap is good. - 9 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brMHaC0NiQY
Wow! Getting teary. This is one of the first songs that I ever learned and performed at family gatherings when I was about 4 or 5. You just reminded me. Buffy Sainte-Marie was always amazing.
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EdJoyProductions:
Me too!
Of all the artists who have covered this classic I like Buffy's best.
Thanks for reminding me. - 9 months ago
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JanforGore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ2nP6Sgrfk
I like this song as well. Sometimes her lyrics are overwhelming to me (white guilt) but MAN she can tell the truth like few others!
Posted it again because I couldn't open the link above.
Thanx for this one. - 9 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IJT5lOnT90
This is by Thomas Walker. His music is beautiful. It makes your spirit soar. 2:00 in you hear accompaniment.
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JanforGore:
Magnificent
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I like how at the beginning of No No Keshagesh Buffy translates Keshagesh as "greedy guts" in her notebook.
What a timely and powerful song/video! - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
Great song!
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this shit is hot
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Rohail_Zafar:
I like to think so.
This woman blows me away!
So does Iz.
I'm a little disappointed that no one but J4G posted any music.
I was looking forward to being turned on to some new native bands and tunes. - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
yea jan 4 gore post's hits..its hard to find native music so i choose lefffft wing hip hop
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-rZk04MqA
Song To A Seagull
written by Joni Mitchell - 9 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxUu4yd_ofc
Buffy and Joni are friends and fellow Canadians.
Lakota by Joni Mitchell
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_t8uMcVjZ0
Disinformation
I love the way this song fades at the end.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xag1nvbLwLU&feature=related
Robbie Robertson
Ghost Dance - 9 months ago
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coolplanet:
I really like this one. Thanks for posting these.
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JanforGore:
You're very welcome. Glad you're enjoying them!
Really liked your post below. - 9 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzy5quOw-Bc&feature=related
Hawai'i '78
by Iz - 9 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_rNYWTs9_Q
Look At The Facts
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7le8cJYdL4&feature=related
Up Where We Belong
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S-jdXJ0H4w
Elton John (solo)
Indian SunsetThis song is what turned me on to American Indian culture at the age of 12.
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