Ice T: Guns are to Protect You from the Police

You mean Ice T, the rapper, television series cop and reality tv show star in Ice loves Coco?

That be the one.

If a cop entered your home without a Warrant, seeking to warrantlessly
falsely Arrest you, abduct you, falsely Imprison you, Assault you, your
missapplied Historical facts, taken out of the modern context of those
reasons for which firearms were 2nd Amendment protected for, would
look like a pretty lame rationalization. He's a negro, Without his race
being forcibly kidnapped from their ancestral home by foreign invasion,
there would be no 13th or 14th Amendment to protect any of us. Nor
would there be the routine racial Discrimination from KKK cops all the
way up to the L.A. cops Attempted Murder by 2nd degree Gang Assault
of Rodney King. I've been the victim of several 2nd degree Gang Assaults,
several 2nd degree and even 1st degree Murder Attempts by FBI agents
implementing their Hate crime, using crooked cops to promote their
Murder Conspiracy. Because I'm not so oversheltered, my personal
experience is a lot closer to real life and it's ugly truth than an appeal to
let us ignore. Humans are always going to be dumb asses at some
unguarded moment secreted from others' realities. The important thing
is to be a live dumb ass, arbitrary value judgements nothwithstanding.
That's what one of my many my mentors William F. Buckley would say.

Ok so when a cop pulls a person over for speeding, blow the pig's head off. Hell he's probably has a sinister motive.

When a cop is standing near a train turnstile, blow his head clean off as he probably is lurking around to rape someone.

See what I did there? Slippery slopes are so ugly no?

My Thomas Jefferson quote is a FACT and I applied it to my point precisely.

I'll take your brief BIO at face value ( I'm glad you are still around to tell your tale) and will respectfully say that that, along with your other testament, is not the norm. The best way to end animosity in places where the police and the people don't trust each other is to have programs that foster trust between both groups.

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government"
~ Thomas Paine

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
~ George Washington

And of course, we must not forget Jefferson who you've selectively quoted to forward your agenda

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
~ Thomas Jefferson

But lets not leave it at that, let us take a look at the thoughts of a multitude of the founders in the area of gun rights and their reasoning behind the 2nd.

"Who are the militia? are they not ourselves.... Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American.... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
~ Trench Coxe, Pennsylvania delegate to the Annapolis convention

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined"
~ Patrick Henry

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
~ James Madison

"While the people have property, arms in their hands, and only a spark of noble spirit, the most corrupt Congress must be mad to form any project of tyranny."
~Nicholas Collin

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive."
~ Noah Webster

"... of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trail by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms.... If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny."
~James Monroe

"Little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped."
~ Alexander Hamilton

Your point?

Your scenarios might make sensationalist TV/ movies but they
are not the norm either. Yeah I saw what you did. You carried
your points ad absurdum instead of facing facts. Noone can go
even 1 week blogging news articles from this website without
reading some extremeism, hysteria, mob demeanor or criminal
misconduct from armed police. Tasering, Assaulting with clubs,
recklessly shooting some innocent citizen they mistook as a
threat. The point is not whether we can have a kumbaya encounter
with cops to pretend they're worthy of public trust. The point is
maintaining one's life from their overpowering Offenses. Using
Jefferson's quotes on a militia intended to counter Indian tribal
atrocities, or French encroachement is irrelevant to modern times,
Then, most people lived in the country or small villages, smaller
cities. With the urbanization of America, and the rise of police
forces often armed with para military weapons, and often hostile
against minorities, the use of firearms to counter firearms and
maintain a balance of power against Official crimes is still what
the SCOTUS rules as Constitutional. The free mason founding
fathers created the Constitution to carry forward their basic
principles to counter ALL threats to Life, Liberty, pursuit of happiness.
They knew their principles wouldn't change. But that they'd still
have to be adapted to modern times to accomodate modern citizens.

Cherry pick all you want. Of course the Founders didn't want you armed against cops, as there were no "cops" at the time. But they most certainly believed the populace should be armed as a final safeguard against governmental tyranny. I'm not saying whether that is a good idea or a bad one given the times and circumstances we live in today. Only that your assertion that the Founders only meant for the right to bare arms to be limited to the military is absurdly false.

EXtremely interesting. I know it is truth.

Good quotes, Des. Thanks.

Though I'd prefer to qualify that 3rd line with: " be ready to " , for all his raw
statements, Malcolm X is still a hero to many African Americans. And it's no
wonder why. I've lived in a po black neighborhood for 12 years like something
out of the 1950s book Black Like Me. I was nearly Murdered several times
by black crackheads ( and white crackheads too ) working for crooked cops
who took out a contract on my life. Fortunately for me, I'm a lot tougher than
they could have ever guessed. And a lot harder to kill than they could have
ever known. I'll live to bury all that schweinehunden. But not because I'm of
German descent. But rather because I'm simply stronger.

bravo....great comment. Malcolm may have been considered violent or a radical....but in reality....if you don't protect yourself AT ALL COSTS.....you will be someone's victim. If you are a victim....be one who is NOT going make it easy on someone looking to do you or yours harm.

he is talking about protection.... Kenneth Chamberlain Sr....was shot in white plains nyc in 2011 because he accidentally set off his life alert alarm. Instead of a firetruck or ambulance....cops showed up IN SWAT GEAR and demanded the "nigger" open up(their words). When theY kicked in the door they shot this unarmed elderly man dead then blamed it on him, AND PUT A STORY IN THE PAPER THAT HE WAS VIOLENT.... The only reason this is a story and not forgotten is that the monitoring company recorded what the police did and said.....and this is just one example on the internet. Now, if he had a gun in the instance Ice T is talking about....he may still be dead but there would also be some dead SOB POLICE TOO.

But hey if you think getting shot by corrupt police and not even throwing a "punch", is your way to go....vaya con dios , that is your admirable choice. Me I am going down like a damn outlaw if I were in this particular case..... I will go down on my feet not cowering to someone who wants to kill me or put me in a cage....F That shit.

The average dolt can shoot better than the average cop.

I think you might have an inflated belief in the firearm training of police officers. For your average officer it's not that extensive. Officers generally have to qualify one or twice a year to show they at least remember the basics they were taught in academy. All of this training is easily accessible to a private citizen. A lot of the time the same people who train the police train private citizens.

Ha! Probably true!

Really? I seem to remember and Oakland police officer who shot a handcuffed young man in a Bart station because he thought it was his Taser. Guess that training really paid off.

Incidentally I have had military training on how to handle firearms. Though I don't own, nor do I plan on owning a firearm.

100% agree.

Its better to die standing than to live on your knees.

Excellent!

really like most european country, where there is like 10 times less murder per capita?

Guns are not the problem. Like ice t said if someone wants to kill you they dont need a gun. maybe we should ban all sharp and pointy objects

BS>
try to kill a dozen of people with a baseball bat, not as easy than with an automatic gun

And Michael Bloomberg is one of the heads of the global fascist movement.

I believe it, but forget it, those gun lovers will deform any stats and facts to justify their worship of weapons.

blame denial, paranoia and inferiority complex...

How many people died in in the world trade center? the attackers only used box knives. See its not the weapon thats the problem its the people that want to kill.

take and pick the example you want but avoid teh big picture, keep leaving in denial

Fact is, safe countries have regulation, deadly ones (as US) don't.
(this is stats and facts proven since Ww2)

could you avoid it with guns, no, so that example is worthless, next?

I see your point but a guy with a sharp pointy object wouldn't have been able to do the damage that was done in the Colorado movie theater, Columbine, Tuscon, Virginia Tech, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

do you still believe a couple of hicks from Saudi did all that with box cutters.....? But I see your point......look at Building 7.....how did planes, Saudi's, or box cutters have to do with that? Not to argue, and with all due respect.

But when the govt is willing to sacrifice 3000+ of its own people to justify war.....you better get a gun because who knows what they will do next.

If someone on those planes had a gun. yeah i think it couldve been prevented.

If someone had a certain type of training almost anything could be done. but i see what your saying but is the number in the death toll really a factor?

If you were in a theater with your family and someone came in looking to do as much damage possible, would you rather he be armed with a knife or an assault rifle?

You can't carry them into Walmart? That's just plain un-American. What if one of them little birds that get trapped in stores attacks? How would you defend yourself?

Fact is, one of those "safe", "regulated" countries you speak of was the scene of a mass shooting that makes this event look like a day in the park. Ever heard of a place called Norway and a man named Brevik?

One has to question who is in denial? Is it the ones who think some bullshit law will prevent such tragedies, or the ones who know the cops will never be around to protect them when they are needed?

I find it interesting how in the last two years nobody mentions Norway anymore when blathering about the 'safe' European countries when it had been a staple example for the nanny state crowd previously. Perhaps you should take a look at the larger picture.

I live in upstate New York. We consider Bloomberg to be the worst disgrace
to NYC since Tammany Hall. MJhas been decriminalized in New York since
1977, yet Bloomberg has ordered his pigs to do Warrantless searches for
guns & drugs to get himself the votes of the affluent that the Governor has
had to step in. Bloomberg sides with Wall St which has greased his pigs to
openly without provocation Assault the OWS protesters. I can't think of a
more obvious public enemy to the American Heritage than that fascist. That
is except for his pigs.

It isn't GUNS that cause high homicide rates. Canada has more guns per capita and still has a lower crime and homicide rate than the United States. Try using some critical thinking.

Stats are not proof. Incidentally, Canada has more guns per capita than in the United States and still has a lower crime rate. Not only are you an idiot if you form your decision based on statistics, but you don't even read factual statistics that do not fit your pre-determined mindset.

What?! That even would have been totally avoidable with firearms! Are you on drugs?!

No but someone with some fertilizer could demolish the OKC Federal Building.

Gun Control will not stop him from getting an assault rifle. Does making narcotics illegal prevent people from using drugs?

rit, smat idea, guns and pressurised plane!

So go live in Europe. No one is stopping you. They seem to have the laws you are more in tune with

not so open to idea and debat!

no wonder USA is loosing it and Asia is rising fast, changes and progress is a sin, an anti-american act!

.....are you african american....I could have said it better myself. I couldn't be any more afraid of the police if their uniform was a white sheet with a hood......

In the states for sure, but in Canada we don't have privately owned prisons. Thank god.

Only half!

You are correct. Where I live the Police are dirty, they are involved in protecting criminals and mfg of drugs, some are honest but they are few. The Police and Judges are being paid off.

lol, no offense of course....but when you have any AA blood in you.....most tend to be very fearful, suspicious of, and down right antagonistic to the police. I am educated as a computer programmer and after reading alot of you comments you seem to have an educated back round. But somehow, us as NON-thug, Obama like people....and we still fear and hate these SOB's. Its okay though poor whites in the USA are just now getting to know what its like when the cops turn on you. You hit the nail on the head about nativity....the OWS and its supporters are SHOCKED that police are unafraid of being video taped while beating their assess..... We on the other hand and judging by how many black people you saw at the protests.....we already KNOW what the police are going to do when they put on riot gear, and we don't stick around just to make a point. The end result will always be beat you, arrest you, charge you and imprison you. What's that they say, not fair you say? Tell that to the 8% of the population(AA men) that make up 50% of the prison population about fair.....because we've been dealing with not fair for a very very very long time.

Yeah no offense taken for sure. I suppose it is a Black thing to be automatically suspicious of police, like it's in the DNA or something lol.

it must be because I didn't grow up in the hood....not a criminal....and I barely even speed anymore.....but somehow... lmfao... Or maybe its our good sense, kind of like Discovery Channel's Shark Week.... you see enough of people/animals getting ripped to shreds by sharks you tend to GTFO of the water as soon as you see one.

Yeah, ironically I think the last great movie I watched was the Dark Knight, where despite having all sorts of garbage social engineering mixed into the plot, they basically just laid it all out there for you.

Many cops appear to be crooked, on the take and are willing to double-cross each other.

The question we have to ask ourselves is as the economy is obviously not going to recover anytime soon, whose side do you think the cops will be on?

A friend that is a Cop says he will retire if things get bad. He's on our side. The rest know where their bread is buttered, they will be in a very bad position. I only trust one Cop in this County. Look at what happened in New Orleans, the Police Chief was going to prosecute the people that had broke into the stores because they had video tapes, when they looked at the tapes the Police were the ones that broke in the stores.

yes

Naive to all of recorded history that shows every government becomes oppressive? Or were you referring to something else?

woaaw, ice t is the new Mandela?