WTF | August 04, 2008 | 98 comments

Sexual harassment is necessary in Russia

source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2470310/Sexual-harrassment-okay-as-i...

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At least that's what a judge ruled in Russia.

A Russian advertising executive who sued her boss for sexual harassment lost her case after a judge ruled that employers were obliged to make passes at female staff to ensure the survival of the human race.

According to the judge "if we had no sexual harassment we would have no children."

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98 comments // Sexual harassment is necessary in Russia

  • MotherForTruth
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      MotherForTruth  

    • I realize it's a old post and I am not trying to argue with anyone but lets face it US is sue-happy and who is the biggest victim society. Russian judge may be doing something right.

    • 2 years ago
  • Magnus_Kain
  • shibuya_district
  • nmsamanda
  • anglcazn
  • LarzNero
  • yaget1chance
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      yaget1chance  

    • They have, for the most part, the same attitude in north america. We just have obligatory laws to follow that disallow their true thoughts to be exposed. I'm a guy, I hear what guys say when they (T-H-E O-T-H-E-R S-E-X) isn't around. But guess what guys, those "Other types" are smart!!! It's True..They know how we think!! So smarten the H*ll up and get with a new program world!! Women are people......oops did i let out a secret??

    • 3 years ago
  • brad62
  • Chuck_st_chuck
  • petarro
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      petarro  

    • Who knows what really happen. The Term Sexual Harassment is really strong, and it is applied even for those who REALLY like the Girl and just want a chance. Sexual harassment should be more oriented to an employee telling another "their ass is a bomb". And obviously if the lady/guy have said repeatedly that they don't want anything with them.

      But now, if you look at someone, they are harassed.
      As an Excuse:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWJbSCCPeZk

      Chris Rock SNL Monologue "...Sexual harassment! What is sexual harassment?! What's the difference between sexual harassment and just being an idiot? I mean, if my father didn't harass my mother, I wouldn't be here! I mean, I understand some sexual harassment.. if a man is your boss and says, "Hey, sleep with me, or you're fired." That's sexual harassment. And that's the only thing that's sexual harassment! Everything else falls under "Just trying to get laid." You can't put a man in jail for that! I don't care how hard he tries, that's all he was trying to do! Anita Hill started this whole thing. It's all about looks, you know? Because if Clarence Thomas looked like Denzel Washington, this would have never happened! She'd be all, "Oh, stop it, Clarence, you nasty! Your fine self!" So, what's sexual harassment, when an ugly man wants some? "Oh, he ugly! Call the police! Call the authority!"...

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  

    • After reading most of your comments, you guys have to realized that A JUDGE, not the ENTIRE COUNTRY feels this way. Generalizing only makes you more stupid and ignorant.

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • Frier_peppino
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  

    • Admittedly I’m a little embarrassed at some of the comments on this thread. I’d love to join the bandwagon and proclaim how cool the Russians are but I have a problem. I love my mom and sister to death and I could never condone something that would jeopardize the respect they deserve.

      This whole issue reminds me of “Holiday in Cambodia” by The Dead Kennedy’s. The song is about the absurdity of westerner’s embracing eastern totalitarianism because at a very basic level it seems “cool.”

      So you been to school
      For a year or two
      And you know youve seen it all
      In daddys car
      Thinkin youll go far
      Back east your type dont crawl

      Play ethnicky jazz
      To parade your snazz
      On your five grand stereo
      Braggin that you know
      How the niggers feel cold
      And the slums got so much soul

      Its time to taste what you most fear
      Right guard will not help you here
      Brace yourself, my dear

      Its a holiday in cambodia
      Its tough, kid, but its life
      Its a holiday in cambodia
      Dont forget to pack a wife

      Youre a star-belly sneech
      You suck like a leach
      You want everyone to act like you
      Kiss ass while you bitch
      So you can get rich
      But your boss gets richer off you

      Well youll work harder
      With a gun in your back
      For a bowl of rice a day
      Slave for soldiers
      Till you starve
      Then your head is skewered on a stake

      Now you can go where people are one
      Now you can go where they get things done
      What you need, my son.

      Is a holiday in cambodia
      Where people dress in black
      A holiday in cambodia
      Where youll kiss ass or crack

      Pol pot, pol pot, pol pot, pol pot, etc.

      And its a holiday in cambodia
      Where youll do what youre told
      A holiday in cambodia
      Where the slums got so much soul

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
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      Emil_G  
    • Ricky84:

      Don't besmirtch the DK's with this! What totalitarism? Or are you comparing one case for which we don't even have facts for to Pol Pot? Please. Or is this judge like the Pol Pot for women in Russia? Boo...how scary.

    • 3 years ago
  • AlinaJette
  • POOR
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      POOR  

    • wow. . . thats crazy. did the judge have facts behind his nonsence. everytime a person reads this post, another marble has fallin out of the worlds cerebellum : /

    • 3 years ago
  • 3rdEye
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      3rdEye  

    • Just a little breast grope....and a breast grope there...and now what do you say the two of us copulate at work? Ridiculous!

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • frenchfly4
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      frenchfly4  

    • There's a difference between consensual sex and coerced sex/sexual "favors". Coerced sex involves using some sort of power as a threat (physical, professional, financial...). Apparently the Russian legal system has trouble distinguishing between the two.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
  • Elligirl
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      Elligirl  

    • "According to a recent survey, 100 per cent of female professionals said they had been subjected to sexual harassment by their bosses, 32 per cent said they had had intercourse with them at least once and another seven per cent claimed to have been raped.

      Eighty per cent of those who participated in the survey said they did not believe it possible to win promotion without engaging in sexual relations with their male superiors. "

      Let's combine this with another article at http://www.pwc.com/extweb/ncpressrelease.nsf/docid/5678F65061CF85A480257296003D7...

      Apparently the sex isn't working that well. Maybe they should hold out for more top positions instead of just a rung or two up the ladder.

      All sarcasm aside, that judge should be laughed out of court and de-frocked.

    • 3 years ago
  • jaztuck
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      jaztuck  
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    • When you are not harassing your female co-workers you can go home and demand sex from your wife because it's sex day!

    • 3 years ago
  • plusaf
  • jeffreyak
  • NewsGoddess
  • Emil_G
  • s0und0FF
  • POOR
  • onechance
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      onechance  

    • Russia is having a real population problem. This "ruling" stems from the fact that their economy is in severe dire straights because they are lacking a middle-aged population.

      They have orgies to try and counter the problem and bring their population back up so they have a bigger tax base in the future, no shite.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • onechance:

      Their population is fucked up because they have no respect for women and children.

      The men don't want to be fathers and don't give a fuck about families, that's the reality in Russia.

      The ruling stems from utter misogyny, not from a desperate attempt to save their population.

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
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      onechance  
    • onechance:

      I wasnt saying that the ruling stems from it particularly, I was just stating the fact of whats going on with their population.

      Theres no excuse for the judges retarded ruling.

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • Vierotchka
  • damnneargenius
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      damnneargenius  

    • Why can't he just "ensure the survival of the human race" off company time when the financially life-sustaining power and influence of the work environment don't apply?

      Pathetic bastard.

      If you're so damn cool, why are you hitting on chicks instead of having chicks hit on you?

    • 3 years ago
  • phukna
  • shelchak
    • 0
      shelchak  

    • Well, given some of the male responses to this news item, I guess we shouldn't be surprised by that judge's views -- there, but for the Constitution, go we... [irol]

    • 3 years ago
  • rickrosas
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      rickrosas  

    • there are alot of issues with this at work especialy when its coed, if theres a joke going around and your not paying attention to what its about you could end up in alot of trouble, coming from a mans point of view it goes both ways but i usualy dont realy have a problem with it, as for the judge i hope your kidding( i mean im no fan of the court system but "come on" i mean realy!)

    • 3 years ago
  • regjoeschmo
  • LindseyIndigo
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      LindseyIndigo  

    • Sweet baby Jesus and all the angels. There are no words.

      So, um, if sexual harrassment is necessary then can we make castration of idiots who hold opinions like this guy necessary too? Please? Just for my own, selfish opinion-fascist pleasure?

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • LindseyIndigo:

      Yes, clearly womens' quest for basic equality has destroyed America, you fucking moron.

      Her statement was obviously a joke, I'm sorry it offended you so deeply.

      I guess by your standards, it's ok that a boss demands sexual favors from their workers on risk of being fired. Is that the good old American way?

      The women were probably asking for it huh?

    • 3 years ago
  • HiImGuss
  • Kewara81
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      Kewara81  
    • LindseyIndigo:

      I've seen this same misogynistic rhetoric trying to be used to blame the supposed fall of society. The pathetic aspect of this is, well the entire thing is pathetic; but anyways, that is to say, that anyone believes there is some type of correlation between equality and moral degradation. Show me the hard evidence of any type, even a causal correlation between equality and moral degradation. You can't and you know why; because there is none.
      Oh, and confronting a women with an offer of sex is sexual harassment no matter how "gentlemenly" you may do it. Any type of acquiescence to such an offer could only be from an institutionalized belief in subordination, or the women is just plan loose. Who with any ethics to speak of wants to immediately sleep with someone they are actually interested in having a real relationship with? Not to say that in rare cases some individuals can make meaningful relationships out of casual interactions but it is not the norm; furthermore, such interactions are rife with emotional and physical risks.

    • 3 years ago
  • Walks_in_Storms
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      Every man since the beginning of the species has demanded sexual favors from their employees on pain of unemployment?

      You have some fucked up ideas of how sexual harassment works there buddy.

      This guy didn't ask nicely.

      Did you even read the article or see the stats?

      But I'm going to guess that since you think sexual harassment cases are the decay of our society, you're far beyond reasoning.

    • 3 years ago
  • Allsunday
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      Allsunday  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I think your definition of sexual harassment is way off the marker. Flirting with a woman, or even politely asking her if she'd like to have sex, is not sexual harassment. Any woman who sues a man for such a thing should justifiably be thrown out of court. However, if a male boss tells a female employee that she has to have sex with him to keep her job, that is sexual harassment and it should not be tolerated.

      Moreover, blaming the woman for dressing provocatively is ridiculous. Are you trying to tell me that as soon as a woman puts on a low-cut top, any man who sees her completely loses all sense of decency and respect and can't be blamed for fondling her or attempting to blackmail her into having sex with him? If that's the case, then you're not doing much to improve the image and reputation of men as a whole, because apparently you're mindless beasts. Yes, sometimes women dress alluringly in order to attract a male partner. That partner is not always you, and if you can't accept that, that is not the woman's fault.

      That said, I'll agree with you on the point that some women take it too far, and in doing so, they damage the social confidence that men used to have when approaching a woman. It's true that many men fear a potentially serious backlash when dealing with women, especially in the workplace. And yes, it would be nice if we still had gentlemen who would defend a lady's honor. But to take that to mean that harassment - real, intimidating and frightening harassment - is some false construct of modern-day feminism, is not only incorrect, but it's exactly the kind of disrespectful and insulting attitude toward women that gave rise to feminism in the first place.

      The original concept of feminism was not one of "equality" in the sense that all women should be treated like men. It was a concept of equal respect and equal pay in the workplace, two things that the feminist movement has still not succeeded in giving us. Hence, why we still need sexual harassment lawsuits.

    • 3 years ago
  • s0und0FF
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      s0und0FF  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I had no idea that women's right to hold down a job without having to suck some guy's dick to keep it, was the basis of the cataclysmic decay of the nation. Thank you for enlightening me.

      I am turning in my Feminist badge as of this day, so that I might one day be employed by a regular everyday dude who persistently ogles me and grabs my ass as I walk by. I will succumb to the fact that I will never advance in my career or receive a raise until he receives a blowjob or two.

      Sorry, but even as eloquently as everyone else has replied, I can only respond to your comment via sarcasm.

    • 3 years ago
  • frenchfly4
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      frenchfly4  
    • Walks_in_Storms:

      I don't know you or what your pickup techniques are and if they involved co-workers, so I won't talk about that.

      1) There's a difference between consensual sex and coerced sex/sexual "favors". Coerced sex involves using some sort of power as a threat (physical, professional, financial...). Apparently the russian legal system has trouble distinguishing between the two.

      2) Feminism isn't about the de-sexualizing of all people, it's about all people of any (not both) gender getting a fair shot and getting protection from violence and discrimination.

    • 3 years ago
  • wendo
  • HiImGuss
  • rightbrain
  • CitizenSleep
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      CitizenSleep  

    • i mean come on everyone, how would we ever reproduce without men forcibly pushing themselves upon unwilling women? pfft! sex isn't for consensual fun, OR for sharing the love between two people, OR for fulfilling most peoples natural instinct to eventually reproduce, create a family, and leave behind their genetic makeup...
      i mean...what kind of world do you think we live in???

    • 3 years ago
  • malathion
  • crystal_raye
    • 0
      crystal_raye  

    • They can put a man in space before everyone else yet they are still centuries behind the rest of the world in morality, civil rights, and just plain common sense. Ironic, isn't it?

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
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      Emil_G  
    • crystal_raye:

      Like yeah! Because women don't get mistreated anywhere else in the world but Russia. Or how about the fact that in some countries there aren't even sexual harrassment laws or lawsuits? And not because there is no sexual harrassment going on. Oh righ, snap.

    • 3 years ago
  • thewarnerla
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      thewarnerla  

    • If the women don't want to be second class Russian citizens, they could always come to Van Nuys, CA and be porn stars or strippers. Americans don't hire hot filing secretaries anymore because they all don't know how to read.

    • 3 years ago
  • thewarnerla
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      thewarnerla  

    • I love this post. All the ladies comments are in pure disgust while every comment by a man is all about understanding what its like to have that hot chick doing the easiest job ever in the sexiest outfit ever.

      Go Russian judges!!

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • kbclef
  • bWitty
  • PatrioticAstronaut
  • clayjj05
  • kbclef
  • nmsamanda
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      nmsamanda  

    • Rape can produce children as well..... I guess we should all respect the miracle of rape as well !! Romianian taxes on the childfree are justified too, I suppose. Have 5 kids before 40 and you wont be punished. Nevermind the orphans disabled from neglect, its gods work!!

    • 3 years ago
  • LisaLouWahoo
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      LisaLouWahoo  

    • The survey of Russian female professionals cited in the article is pretty horrifying:
      - 100% said they have been sexually harassed by their bosses
      - 32% said they have had sex with their bosses at least once.
      -7% claimed to have been raped by their bosses.
      -80% believe it is impossible to get a promotion without exchanging sexual favors with male superiors.

      Only two women have successfully won sexual harassment cases since the collapse of the soviet union. Women are regularly coerced into sexual favors at job interviews and in exchanged for high marks in universities. Women truly are second class citizens in Russia.

    • 3 years ago
  • s0und0FF
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      s0und0FF  
    • LisaLouWahoo:

      Oh snap, those ARE some sickening stats.

      Makes me feel a little bit happier that I'm an American woman...until I'm reminded of the rape and murder rates of women in the US military.

      Lower-class citizens in Russia, lower-class soldiers in America. We're all fucked.

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • crababble
  • Cuddlebones
  • Scott_Bromley
  • quacksalot
  • durnsilicious
  • squidteeth
  • yayi1
  • Cuddlebones
  • Nettle
  • purplefox
  • huntre
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      huntre  

    • Priest: "Do you, the guy doing all the groping and oogling, take this woman, the one getting angry and struggling to get away, to be your lawful,..."

    • 3 years ago
  • rightbrain
  • J_Jammer
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • J_Jammer:

      Russia is essentially a Western nation. As are essentially all other European countries.

      They don't have a high rate of serial murderers either.

      The U.S. is unique in that sense. We have a high rate of murder, rape and mental illness across the board.

      Moral depravity does not make sociopaths, it's a psychologically abusive environment coupled with a strong acceptance of violence. Unless you're defining that as moral depravity, I don't see your point.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • J_Jammer:

      It was satirical. They think that...just like China did. That's why reports of such things don't come out often because they suppress them.

      UK has more serial killers per 100,000 than the use does.

      America has a population of 300 million. Given that many of course based on numbers alone it would have more than Europe.

      China has their fair share...of course they don't share.

    • 3 years ago
  • Blazesboy
  • brad62
  • Azucena
    • 0
      Azucena  

    • Is this for real...how sick can a person be to harass (different then flirting) but then to have another grown man tell you that its ok because we need kids? thats so stupid...

    • 3 years ago
  • alt0182
  • s0und0FF
  • s0und0FF
    • 0
      s0und0FF  
    • s0und0FF:

      @walks_in_storms

      Because he seems to think that women must be harassed in order to procreate (which also suggests that women don't like having sex and therefore need to be badgered into it), I would imagine he has a hard time approaching women in a good, nonthreatening way.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • s0und0FF:

      Because horny, unsuccessful men turn into misogynist fucks. Although she is obviously joking.

      You research opinions like ours? What in the fuck are you talking about? What group are you referring to? Normal people?

    • 3 years ago
  • s0und0FF
    • 0
      s0und0FF  
    • s0und0FF:

      Good question, Saladin (I like that name, btw). I didn't know there was a category for one-liner opinions on stupid people in the media! I always thought that was called...a comment.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
    • 0
      Saladin  
    • s0und0FF:

      I know right? I wasn't aware that I was in the people who make simple jokes demographic.

      We should have a special interest group in Washington. =)

      Glad you like the name btw, most people have no idea what my name means. They'd probably be angry if they knew.

    • 3 years ago
  • Pattyhax
  • Jcork
    • 0
      Jcork  

    • Sexual harassment is probably the last reason that we have children. Unless I'm missing a whole lot in life, I don't believe this judge has a clue about about the subject.

    • 3 years ago
  • realfran
    • 0
      realfran  

    • For the human race???? WTF
      this is the most idiotic thing i heard in a while, it doesnt even make sense, isnt russia one of the countries with the largest women per men ratio, he doesnt need to harrass a woman to unsure his future fatherhood.

    • 3 years ago
  • parisinla
  • PurpleCrayon
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      PurpleCrayon  

    • Yeah, and if it weren't for spousal abuse, women might think they actually have rights. Oh, and if it weren't for child abuse, murderers might not have an excuse. And, don't forget, if it weren't for mass genocide, how would people ever die?

      Damn. I hate people.

    • 3 years ago
  • AceHardchester
  • Tori
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