Hip young people hate gay marriage

this is MY way of life: it's been around just as long as YOURS. our ways conflict. Doesn't mean I HATE YOU.

http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/media/mediaplayer.swf?media=http://broadcast.lds.org/newsroom/video/flv/P8_Seq7_15oct08-FLV_300k_320x180_15fps_96kbps_stereo.flv&type=FLV

oh and by the way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHWBWSaW-4

"I don't care much about your ridiculous beliefs, but I have to say that I'm incredibly amused
by your over-use of the exclamation point in EVERY comment you leave. It just makes you sound... I don't know...
excitedly retarded.

It's like you're an asshole, but a really cheerful one."
-katedarling

this was incredibly foolish of you, and you stooped to a level probably beneath you..it's obvious you DO care about his beliefs.
if he believes it is disgusting for a man to ejaculate into another man's ass which is biologically designed to excrete..that's his right. just as it's another man's right to enjoy it. make a POINT for your argument..don't diss, because you don't agree. It has so much more benefit.

Well, mjd4evr, I'm pretty glad I chose to diss as opposed to make an argument. He has beliefs I disagree with, the same way I disagree with many people on this particular thread. I don't find it necessary to reply to any of them unless there is something specific that I want to respond to. I chose to respond to his overuse of punctuation.
As for the benefit? I benefited... because I found it to be really fuckin' funny. :)

As for your initial comment:

First of all, don't talk about both of us like we're on different planets. I'm queer, you're straight. There's the difference. Regardless of what you think, you and I having different sexual orientations doesn't mean we have "ways of life" that are extreme polar opposites. If you're really not about intolerance, then you wouldn't have this idea that we are or should be so segregated.

As for our "ways" conflicting, I just don't know about that. Can you explain how me marrying another woman would conflict with your "ways"? We're not friends. We're not acquaintances. We're absolute strangers. My marriage would never conflict with yours. My decision to raise a family would never conflict with yours. You're creating an issue out of nothing. Just because you SEE gay people existing, that doesn't mean they're interrupting your life in any way.

Also, to be very clear, I never said that all people against gay rights HATE gay people. Some of them do, some of them don't.
But that's the entire point you're missing. It's still very possible to discriminate and be intolerant of a group of people without actually feeling hatred towards them. You simply have to believe that your personal decisions and life choices should be forced on others, limiting their freedoms. You can use religion, which the vast majority of anti-gay rights groups do, and impose that religion so that others must follow your laws of faith.
But, please, don't try to pretend that there aren't people voting YES on Prop 8 who DO hate homosexuals. There are definitely people in the world who are against gay marriage and hate gay people and you're sure to find some voting Yes on this amendment.

As for that woman in the video going on about how gays "silence" freedom of speech...
Criticizing someone's beliefs, calling them a homophobe or saying they're intolerant...
NONE of that is silencing freedom of speech. Rather, it's USING freedom of speech.
If I demand freedom of speech so that I can speak out about being queer and my rights, but then I criticize you for having a different opinion, that is not hypocritical in any way. I have the right to disagree with you and tell you to your face, just like you have the same right to do to me.

As for children learning about homosexuality in school as a consequence, Prop 8 not passing doesn't guarantee that consequence. The ONLY thing Prop 8 not passing would guarantee is that gay marriage remains legal. It does not provide any more protections or rights to the GLBT community in California than they already have.
As for the 2nd video, I do believe it's wrong. The parents should have the right to be informed of all materials taught in a classroom beforehand, and they should always have the right to remove their child from the class.
But Paul Ash makes a good point.
"We couldn't run a public school system if every parent who feels some topic is objectionable to them for moral or religious reasons decides their child should be removed," Lexington’s superintendent of schools, Paul Ash.
Also, I couldn't find one bit of information about how Lexington is incorporating sexuality into EVERY subject, including math. I'm not surprised though because it sounded like a bunch of BS anyway.

But I have to say, I'm offended at how these people view the topic of homosexuality. Not appropriate for 2nd grade? Why not? It's as if they're equating homosexuality with sex or porn. And, once again, are they not aware that there are children in 2nd grade, and even younger, who have gay parents? Are you going to tell those children that their family isn't appropriate? Just acknowledging that gay families exist isn't sexual on any level.
Can you explain how a child knowing that gay families exist can effect them negatively?

it seems to me that people don't grasp that following a religion is a chosen path, a way of life. Unfortunately for the gay rights cause, some religions have as a fundamental tenet, the idea of not only not participating in... "sin"... but also, to dissuade it amongst their brothers and sisters of the world. That by allowing their brothers and sisters to continue in.. "sin".. that they themselves have failed. This is where the conflict of ways/paths comes in. Plainly speaking, your relationship is against a lot of people's ways of life.(religion) Part of that way of life, IS to guide all people to that Way, for their benefit..and to dissuade otherwise. So don't be confused or surprised when religious people don't support you. That how your marriage affects the lives of the religious. I'm just saying..*shrugs* LOL! I have no problem seeing gay people.. (6th sense comes to mind.)..cuz I'm not religious.

yet lady..I could never truly understand your affection for the same sex as a straight...unfortunately?/fortunately?, I have to be honest, I would be disgusted to see the displays of affection. Similar to watching Nat Geo and seeing African tribes practice scarification. Even if I understand why...(you say out of love) my reaction is still the same. It's alien to me. Can't help that. We don't have the same experiences and that's all a person is..a sum of the series of moments you've been through. So we are sexual aliens..to borrow your quip about planets, even tho I can understand your cause, I realize we both sneeze in dust and we shop at the same supermarkets.

My personal issue anyway is the *note my use of words* alleged claim that schools will have to teach about homosexuality. NOT that it shouldn't happen..just HOW exactly are they going to teach about this..

why would I be concerned about 2nd graders learning about homosexuality? do I want my (2nd grade) 7 year old son confused about his sexual orientation with this new input..when he doesn't need any added confusion in this already fucked up world. When I was 7, I was learning about creative writing, math and my Nintendo game system, and racing go carts was the most amazing things. (i'd prefer to preserve this innocence for as long as possible with him) I started exploring sexually.... with girls, kissing for example. By early school age (5-7), children are interested in body parts and functions. Some sexual play may begin, and concepts of love and affection begin to develop, evolving into behaviors and questions that continue developing into later childhood. Kids are so susceptible to curiosity..and the book that the teach was reading to 'em was sexual in nature, there was kissing involved between the two princes. Unnecessary. In your defense, Shrek has kissing in it as well, in a hetero sexual sense, but we have to admit that these Disney shows are catering more and more to adults/teens..and 2nd grade? Hell..I do not want my 7yr old sexually experimenting with other people's little girls much fucking less BETWEEN sexes..if at all until a bit later..when he can truly understand his feelings of attraction, and is certain of his sexual orientation, whatever it may be. I also want him to understand what our household regards as "the standard" in sexuality, which is heterosexual.. sorry. that's how I feel..for now. I have gay friends,male and female, which I trust deeply, and admire even for their various characteristics and qualities..but their sexual preference..we agree to disagree. Maybe I've been brainwashed by society, I could be wrong..but I don't believe that sexuality is a sliding scale of preference. Gays make up 10% of the world's population. 90% straight? *shrugs* Anomaly?

all I care about is if No on Prop 8 negatively influences heterosexuals, in any sort of white/non-white affirmative action sort of way.. (not PC, but said just for simplification).. Some say it won't, but we've seen how legislation can snowball, and branch in various cases. " What's next? ", is a concern for me..if just straight up marriage, then hey do whatever the f you want. for my religious friends, however, for whom I was playing devil's advocate earlier.. i dunno, they have God to answer to.

I don't care much about your ridiculous beliefs, but I have to say that I'm incredibly amused by your over-use of the exclamation point in EVERY comment you leave. It just makes you sound... I don't know... excitedly retarded.

It's like you're an asshole, but a really cheerful one.

kudos?

Okay. Of course this prop is considered outrageous by most Americans. It seeks to change a fundamental element of societal stability that has existed forever. Why is that so difficult to understand? When you try and force a concept on society, they rebel.

I get it. The quiet majority will prevail. However they want it to be, it will be.
This, no matter how many people stamp their feet and whine. As for divorce court, alimony and the other horse sh*t that goes with legal marriage, I say you can keep it.

no if you check their website "Divine Right" their only rational.

Thats because there is no valid argument ;)

Why what basis?

Religion has hindered every civil rights issue ever!
First oppressing blacks then women now gays.

P.S. What ARE those pants she's wearing??? Gross.