WTF | December 05, 2008 | 33 comments

In 7 countries, homosexuality = The death penalty

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93 nations in the world still legally punish homosexuality. In 7 of these - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Nigeria, Mauritania - gays and lesbians are punished with the death penalty.

Is this the Twenty-First Century or the Dark Ages? Sometimes I really can't tell.
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33 comments // In 7 countries, homosexuality = The death penalty

  • module
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      module  
    • I will completely disregaurd these biased comments below me. Please google "Official religion of ______" for each country. You will learn that each country is officially an Islamic nation. Is that a coincedence?

      Muslims will tell you they are peacful. I disagree.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM0ZD6XfTfg
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4

    • 1 year ago
  • astronmr20
  • davipaul2
  • uroborus8
  • covelogibbs
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      covelogibbs  
    • Reply to chowmein2012:

      If you think everyone should have "Freedom of Choice" than can I assume that you don't agree being homosexual should carry the death penalty?

      This: "I was taught that if I was doing something or was thinking of doing something one way but the majority advised against it, then I shouldn't go against the majority because they are probably wiser and right..." seems like it could be very dangerous to me. Have you ever read "The Diary of Anne Frank?"

      Homosexuality seems so obviously to not be a choice. Think about what it's like to be gay.

      Ignore the fact that you may be ostracized by your friends, family, and most of society, that you most likely will not be able to marry, will likely face extreme hatred and violence, and even possible death (I'm not talking about somewhere else, but right here in the USA).

      Instead, imagine you're making love to your girlfriend or wife. Now replace your lover with someone of the same sex. How does that make you feel? I don't think you'd make that choice, would you? Well, I don't think many, if any would make that choice.

      I hope I didn't offend anyone, but I think views like chowmein2012's are dangerous. This is a Civil Rights issue. This is a human rights issue. If you were to truly search your heart on this issue, I think you would come to the same conclusion that I have, that one shouldn't have to "fight for your right" to be gay.

    • 3 years ago
  • RCS
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      RCS  
    • Most of the negative references to homosexuality in the Koran are references to the tale of Lot at Sodom and are drawn from the Old Testament. There is one line from a different chapter that states "And if two (men) of you commit it, then hurt them both; but if they turn again and amend, leave them alone, verily, God is easily turned, compassionate." That is the strongest prohibition on homosexuality contained therein.

      There are, in addition, some very homoerotic verses in the Koran. In the chapter "Man," a verse about what good Muslim men can expect in Paradise goes, "They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who to the beholder's eyes will be like sprinkled pearls." In the chapter "The Mountain," Muslim men are promised "And there shall wait on them young boys of their own fair as virgin pearls."

      As Muslim warriors were traditionally, unless rarely specifically forbidden, given leave to sack a city, usually for three days, and to take not just loot, but, also, captives of young men and women, and boys and girls for their sexual pleasure, they would have been fully aware of what these passages in the Koran were promising them would be theirs in Paradise. It was not just young female virgins there in the hereafter who would be tending to their sexual desires.

    • 3 years ago
  • charmedkitten
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      charmedkitten  
    • RCS:

      WHOA!!!
      ok i dont know what the hell your talking about with these alter boys. i dont know if this is in the bible or what. its definatly not in Quran. you keep spelling it wrong btw. but anyway.

      yeah i dont know what book your referencing perv but that aint it lol.

    • 3 years ago
  • RCS
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      RCS  
    • RCS:

      The last two quotes are from Penguin Classics The Koran translated by N. J. Dawood. The first is from the chapter "Man" and the second from the chapter "The Mountain." You can pull out your text and look them up. Dawood's is a very good translation of the Muslim holy book, by the way--one of the cleanest and clearest that I have read. Like the terms ketchup and catsup, either Quran or Koran is correct.

    • 3 years ago
  • charmedkitten
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      charmedkitten  
    • RCS:

      ok first mistake was getting a Quran that wasnt already translated. i dont know who that guy is and were his credentials come from, but yeah dont use him again. and no he isnt that good because that was all wrong.

      but hey if you want me to put the real thing up here honey trust me i will.

      the first ones correct. i dont know who keeps putting a k in it. i mean i dont speak Arabic, but i can write it. i know thats weird you dont have to tell me lol.

      and yeah that translation wasnt right. however you are right about some verses being a reference to Sodom and Gomorrah. but there are no alter boys or anything else referring to same sex being ok.

    • 3 years ago
  • RCS
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      RCS  
    • RCS:

      The last two lines are from Chapter 52 "The Mountain" and Chapter 76 "Man." They are short chapters, so you should be able to find them fairly easily. Check them out and see how they read in your text.

      I do understand about the reading and writing difference when it comes to other languages. One can read things fairly well, but have trouble with the actual conversation. This is especially true when the other party is talking fast with a regional accent.

    • 3 years ago
  • chowmein2012
  • AppleBramley
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      AppleBramley  
    • chowmein2012:

      The majority of countries do not murder homosexuals in the name of god or the law. Does this influence your position at all?

      I was brought up to believe that bovines ran with the crowd and humans were blessed with the cognitive power to make their own judgments - but using this power would sometimes take courage.

    • 3 years ago
  • covelogibbs
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      covelogibbs  
    • chowmein2012:

      Sorry, I don't know why I had a gazillion duplicate replies here for a year. Strangely enough it was a reply to a user that's been deleted. Axing Chowmein2012 was a good call though Current, thank you.

    • 3 years ago
  • RCS
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      RCS  
    • chowmein2012:

      "Hmmm.... I was taught that if I was doing something or was thinking of doing something one way but the majority advised against it, then I shouldn't go against the majority because they are probably wiser and right..."

      In the Tutsi genocide in Ruanda a few years back, almost the entire Hutu population of the country participated in the killings. It is hard to know what was going through the minds of everyone involved, but the majority of the population seems to have been involved in it, one way or another. So, could one say that the murder of 800,000 men, women and children, mostly Tutsis, is acceptable because the majority is wiser and right?

      Then, what about the small minority of Hutus, often at great risk to their own lives, who worked to save Tutsis and those of mixed Tutsi/Hutu blood? Were they wrong for doing something one way, saving lives, that the majority would have advised against? Would that minority have been wiser and right if they themselves had stopped protecting people and started killing them because that was what the majority of people were doing?

    • 3 years ago
  • UWAZell
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      UWAZell  
    • Seriously, you are questioning whether Islamic countries still exist in the 'dark ages'... I thought that answer would be an affirmative no brainier.

    • 3 years ago
  • charmedkitten
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      charmedkitten  
    • idk, maybe its because homosexuality is strictly forbidden in the Quran.

      i for one dont have a problem with it...maybe its because i just dont care who a person chooses to love. but yeah Islamic countries forbid it because of that reason.

      very nice story:}

    • 3 years ago
  • numinant
  • RCS
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      RCS  
    • Along with putting pressure on countries around the world to ban female genital mutilation, and stop stoning women to death, and stop burning women alive, and stop throwing acid in their faces, putting pressure on other countries to stop the persecution of homosexuals should become a major human rights campaign in the West. However, to not appear to be totally hypocritical, the West needs to correct its own discrimination against gays and give them full human rights at the same time that it is criticizing these human rights abuses abroad.

    • 3 years ago
  • charmedkitten
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      charmedkitten  
    • RCS:

      very true!!
      but i dont think were supposed to be going over to another country and tell them how they should run it.

      i think sometime after WWII or when Black Hawk Down occurred the government decided not to interfere with another country unless its a so-called threat to the U.S

    • 3 years ago
  • RCS
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      RCS  
    • RCS:

      Putting pressure on a country is not the same thing as acting against it militarily. It can involve the way that aid is given or not given; it can be part of an international campaign of moral suasion; and it can be part of a plan to assist human rights groups, gay or otherwise, in other countries. One does not always have to send in the troops to have some effect.

    • 3 years ago
  • InformedTexan
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      InformedTexan  
    • If only the same amount of people in uproarious protest against Prop. 8 would be aware and in protest against the far more egregious crimes against homosexuality around the world. This should take priority before semantics about policies when massive action is taken. Apparently millions of Americans can mobilize themselves to voice their anger for the trivial problems they feel themselves to have but cannot even care to mention the crimes occurring elsewhere to degrees far worse than anything happening here.

    • 3 years ago
  • charmedkitten
  • covelogibbs
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      covelogibbs  
    • Translation of article into English (I hope it's OK):

      Vatican accomplice of our martyrdom

      On 3 December 2008 in front of the headquarters Archbishop of Genoa, guided by Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco, president of CEI, in the town where the next National Pride, members of Arcigay, including the chairman and national secretary, have drawn on the square to remember the dozens of gay and lesbian people in the world are dying because of their homosexuality.

      93 nations in the world still legally punish homosexuality. In 7 of these - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Nigeria, Mauritania - gays and lesbians are punished with the death penalty (for details, visit the site of ILGA).

      "These victims of hatred can not yell anything in their countries. We want to take to the streets to denounce these horrific violence in their place. "- Says Aurelio Mancuso, president National Arcigay -" In the city that will host the National Pride in June 2009, started the week in protest against the positions Vatican all ' UN. In the coming days in other cities external indignation and we will do our leaflets informing citizens ".

      "We will seek a dialogue with Catholics, which, as shown by all polls these days, do not agree with the position taken Vatican." - Adds the national secretary Riccardo Gottardi - "To this protest in front of the Archbishopric, symbol of the church hierarchy, while facing the churches want to do an information and awareness in relation to the tragic violence that affect thousands of homosexual persons in the world. "

    • 3 years ago
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