The Current Jam

fuck em'.

WOW. If he got kicked off for calling someone a stalker, then why am I still here? I've called people ALL sorts of names and used every insult that seemed fitting: brain-damaged (in my defense, he WAS), little bitches, bible-thumpers, assholes, asswipes, I even suggested that one guy get kicked in the teeth. KICK ME OFF!!! Or give me a warning or something.

I know there are people on this site whom I greatly respect and who liked jammer/dj/whoever. Because of that I sincerely tried my best to find some kind of value in his posts. But the one-in-a-hundred (two hundred?) nugget of gold simply never came close to offsetting the other ninety-nine posts that were shallow, nonsensical, mean-spirited, or cruel (and often all four of these things simultaneously).

Playing the Devil's Advocate can sometimes contribute a useful perspective to a debate. But doing so hundreds of times a day without making a single substantive contribution to the conversation is like having a four-year-old following you around and repeating everything you say...cute and endearing for the first couple of minutes...then becoming increasingly irritating. Jammer earned his "time out," and I am frankly stunned that anybody who read any significant number of his posts really thinks that he was given the boot for just one racist comment.

Yep. This thing had a different "feel" with 'recommends',...and it was a BETTER feel. Not happy.

He didn't have to admit to anything, I figured him out because of his style of writing... He got caught because he couldn't stop spouting his nonsense on posts. I don't mind him being around and I've said it before, but if he's going to come back, he should learn to respect the folks at current and stop thinking he's smarter than everyone else.

He is not ThorThunder. His writing style is totally different. He admits to being DJ, but he doesn't know who Thor is.

i'm betting he was also thorthunder.

Jammer was back as DJ? Damn, I feel so USED!

Again.

See, now, I don't want him to show up again. Manipulating him into showing his true colors is tiresome, and I don't feel like doing it again soon :) He's so exhausting, and he's seemingly so mentally unstable, it's just sad. Truly. I mean, if he hates this Web site enough to trash it, why would he want to take the time to create an alter-ego for the sole purpose of being sarcastic and demeaning? It's just weird, sad, and obsessive. This isn't even funny anymore. I wish him the best and I hope he finds what he's looking for. I just don't think it's here.

R.I.P J_Jammer, you were the king of ad hominem attacks here on current

Seriously J_Jammer is back? Honestly current. should reinstate his account just because of the entertainment value he provides.

dammm! the little guy got caught... can't wait to see what his next user and avatar name is going to be!!

WHY IS MY ACTIVITY SHOWING I VOTED FOR THIS AN HOUR AGO WHEN I VOTED IT DOWN DAYS AGO?

Folks... the real JJ is back under another screen name...

DJverboten, read his comments and his style of writing. It took me 5 minutes to figure it out...

tell us all about yourself again JJ, in the third person!

Jammer what a douchebag thing to do. Just let it go, man. It'll be alright. They'll be sun soon enough for your internet life somewheres else.

Jammer what a douchebag thing to do. Just let it go, man. It'll be alright. They'll be sun soon enough for your internet life somewheres else.

As someone that has found themselves caught in the back and forth with Jammer, I've got quite a response for this article. Had Jammer's contributions not been deleted, we could analyze the childish behavior he had displayed. I wouldn't even categorize it as conservative, christian or white. Jammer was simply arrogant and childish. There were instances where he would argue on behalf of conservatives, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, Fox "News", and American-Christianity. The fact remains that Jammers approach is what had him flagged enough times. It was his behavior, not his views. I wish I could find the article in which Jammer was on one of his typical childish rants; I stated, "it seems JJammer is being devils advocate", he then replied "sometimes its fun to be devils advocate." I have never flagged JJammer's comments, because I prefer them to remain for all to see. I will admit to slightly enjoying going after Jammer's comments, but only because I truly felt that I could provide a proper response to some of the ridiculous things he had said. I dont believe Jammer will be gone for long. He always comes back. Like herpes. :P you can flag me all you want but you know its true.

I suspect ThorThunder to be Jammers new profile.

late to join in, but he's gone?

very appropiate. he wasn't here to "comment", he had his way of infiltrating our stories with his words of hate....

Current is definitely not conservative, but it's not like it's a completely liberal, "let us promote weed, sex, and neo-hippie anarchist ideals to the whole world" type of place. if this were truly as such, we would not even see people like JJ or the other few Christian-right wing types around here.

i believe all of us here simply think for oursleves as human beings and have opinions necessary for the world that we believe would be better for all of life.

JJ couldn't tolerate it at all, that's about it.

Rules are not a dictation of what is and isn't right. If that were the case then the rules and laws that make gay marriage illegal would be something all would be fine with, because the 'rules' say it's ok. But as we know that is not how many states view it and they have altered or in the process of altering their laws so that gay marriage is ok and does become normal for their state. So using laws or rules as a reason you are right is not acceptable and is only done so because people lack any real reasoning skills.

Janforgore,

Posting is caring. Don't care? Don't post. It's as simple as the grass is green.

Slarbee,

Fair minded Mod is more of a grease the palm comment then it is true. Fair minded would have been to take the situation via the context not via the ill will of the flagger or the mod themselves. Also if it is a dead issue then don't talk about it. You are like a spoiled brat with that type of commenting. THIS IS MY OPINION AND THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE ANY OTHER *stomps foot* or as you said end of story.

Oh and your bar comment wasn't even close to being a reasonable response. Work harder on being reasonable so that you actually are. Just because you think you are certainly doesn't mean you are. You seem to be under the same delusional state as most people who posted in this thread.

OH and..you were "done with it" a lot in this thread. You seem to not be able to NOT talk about it. Problem?

Yonie,

You have no proof that he wasn't ban for political views. What you're going on is what everyone else has said. What proof do you have for your comment? I bet you have zero. You're going on no proof and yet you think your opinion is valid. Just like most people who posted here. They have no proof for why he was ban. What they do have is what they think and that was prior to banning. Meaning they base their view of the banning as how they base Jammer not the banning itself. Not even remotely reasonable or fair.

Bailely78,

Your post was a troll post as was everyone after you's post. They should all be deleted because they are against the site's rules, but because there is bias that won't happen.

Unimatrix0,

Troll post as well as lack of elegance and reason. Based on most of your post that can't possibly come as a shocker to many. Hopefully the 0 doesn't mean your IQ status. Through I believe the Borg is more of your necessity to have people agree with you than actually think differently. But who knows...right? Can't think you know someone via online as well as you think you know someone via online.

Nephwrack,

I vote you down.

Voyagerfilms,

Looks like you just want everyone to agree with how you think and if they don't then KICK them out of this site. What you said had nothing to do with the comment made and more to do with how you think of him as a person. Showing how angry you are over someone else's opinion. You don't like someone who has a strong opinion like you. You like the weak minded people so you can mold them to your way of thinking. Control freak.

LifestudentNO83,

Amazing you have no in your name. Goes along with your negativity.

Atalanda_Cameron,

You, like most, didn't read the whole blog and judge based on your prejudice. It's ok, no need to lie and say you didn't when you did.

Xiola,

Give us the proof of the warnings. Do you have that? Oh no you don't you are doing that out of being told than being shown. That' show you work isn't it? NO need for proof. Just pull it out and say it and hope people believe you. Letting go means you wouldn't post about it either. Seems you're holding on to a grudge. You are not the only one. Look at your fellow posters. Form a group so you can talk out your frustrations.

Saladian,

Funny you should allude to you not being hateful as your post was full of hate. Hypocrite.

DeliahTheArtist,

Quoting dead people to say what you cannot so eloquently doesn't at all make a valid point on the subject matter at hand. Why? Because it has nothing to do with the topic. If you can't give an opinion maybe you shouldn't even post. Not a good idea to pass off other people's wisdom as something you use.

And a general comment to all:

Why are you afraid of Jammer? Banning is necessary for those that cause problems. But based on his comments and the ones in this one there is no difference other than political views. So what does that mean? You are afraid of him. You can't stand up to him because you have weak opinions? You are like the politician that wants the easy questions so they look good. Screw the hard questions. No need to make me look the way I truly am. Gotta fake people out. Guess that's what Current wants...fake posters. Well they got 'em by the liberal load.

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned." - Buddha

This IS SANE,.......( it is called transparency )

"What would it take? If Current posted each of the responses made by this person J Jammer and exposed the manner in which he communicated (if that term is appropriate) for all of us to see, then we could let him defend himself. If his new arguments were valid, we'd let him continue. If not, we could all see him for what he is. Make the process a visible one, rather than something Current does behind the scenes and out of view. Just a suggestion".

From reveiwing a lot of JJ's comments since this whole fiasco began and I can honestly say that, to me, his comments are ill-humored at most, but none of them come off with a strong since of racism. I'm sure in this day and age we've all experienced or heard of harsh experiences of racism - and people missinterpreting his comment as a racial slur, whatever. Stereotype, yes. A bit of a bigot, probably. But racist is taking it out of context with the rest of the comment.

And as one commenter did mention, this isn't nearly as important as other issues out there; but the idea here is that this very website we all love to participate on may be denying rights to the loyal users who want to positively contribute.

JJammer,
If I had kids that happened to be on current.com I wouldn't want them to see what you've written. You're suspension sounds fair to me- you shouldn't have a community (whether you like that description or not) news website bombarded by rated "R" comments. And current sure shouldn't have to have a disclaimer asking if you are over 18 to enter the site.
It's surprising that you still don't get it.
Honestly, this might be good for your health. You need to get outside, hang out with real people, and stop living on the internet. Discuss things with people in a coffee shop, not hiding your face behind rude posts on a website. I disagreed with you a lot, once in a while agreed- but my goodness, you're a rude whelp.

I'd prefer we didn't expel people, but we'd need a new manner of dealing with them. There is a very real threat to this web site by people who would seek to control it's influence and subject matter - look at Faux News as an example. This site was relatively powerful in the last Presidential elections which is a threat to the opposing team.

I'm not for censorship, but there must be some manner of protecting the exchange of ideas and opinions from simply becoming yet another avenue of propaganda by people with ulterior motives.

What would it take? If Current posted each of the responses made by this person J Jammer and exposed the manner in which he communicated (if that term is appropriate) for all of us to see, then we could let him defend himself. If his new arguments were valid, we'd let him continue. If not, we could all see him for what he is. Make the process a visible one, rather than something Current does behind the scenes and out of view. Just a suggestion.

A conservative is an ex-liberal who gave up intelligence for hate. There's no reality in it, just a foolish notion of "common sense" which is really nothing more than the bias of personal experience over real logic and reasoning. Common sense can often seem like reality because it's less abstract than real thought, but it's the equivalent of using anecdotal rather than statistical evidence or relying on established authority rather than science.

Conservatism is the most idealistic political philosophy there is, it's not realistic at all. People as black and white/good or evil, nothing is wrong if America does it, people should be personally responsible for any random tragedy that occurs to them, business doesn't corrupt politics, business doesn't need to be regulated, war is a good thing, the military is righteous, religion is fundamentally true and trustworthy, draconian laws enforce security, morals are as objective as science, civil liberties don't mean freedom and that patriotism means militant hyper-nationalism.

The neocons especially are the worst of the bunch, they literally treat the world like a John Wayne movie. Stooges of Leo Strauss. It's an obsessive self-righteousness that clouds reality and makes people obsessed with being "right" rather than being concerned about what's actually true.

Now that I've addressed that, I have to agree with JJ albeit for completely different reasons. Current's community guidelines suck and most of their moderators pander to whiny flaggers who try to silence their opposition. Other than that, good riddance to JJ. The guy was as dense as a brick wall and was convinced he was logical because he refused to accept that he made mistakes. His favorite was the ad hominem tu quo que fallacy (Well you're like that too so you can't say anything) followed closely by false equivalency (Native Americans were bad too so they deserved their genocide).

A conservative is an ex-liberal who has been mugged by reality. Reality is often conspired against on this site and I have seen a number of earnest commenters removed for telling the truth. There is nothing liberal about this site and yes it is slowly dumbing down into tabloid banality.

Voted down. Jammer made his own bed. He was warned repeatedly. He ignored the warnings. He was punished because he could not be reasoned with. The rational thing would have been to stay within the rules, so he could keep commenting. He is obviously missing Current greatly. He even admits that he was unkind to someone he knew had the power to ban him because she wasn't worth being nice to. How smart is that? He made a blatantly racist comment and wonders why people would find it racist. How rational is that? This is just a lame attempt to keep us talking about someone who desperately wants attention. I feel sorry for him. His behavior is sad. He needs to let it go and move on.

Voted down as well. The site is called "Current" for a reason.

I've been on Current for a long time, I've watched and read the posters and how they change from time to time. I can't say from memory about J Jammer, but it's clear that in describing himself or making issue of the fact he is not a "liberal" is revealing. J Jammer had an agenda, he wasn't here to share ideas and opinions.

I give credit to Current for weeding the playing field from time to time. Fair and Balanced doesn't mean you allow abuse or you allow an individual to sabotage your web site. Since the Presidential elections, it is very very clear we have a whole new crop of "conservatives" and Republicans on here who don't seek to share ideas and opinions, but who are disseminating propaganda and misinformation to undermine President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.

I consider that J Jammer's only purpose was to be destructive to Current by souring those good people who do constructively contribute to Current and it's dialog. He wasn't / isn't the only one.

voted down.

Here's my two cents. This site has some great people, intelligent, well read, compassionate, and worthy of respect, and I consider many of them to be my friends. There are also a fair number of narrow minded cretins, wallowing in self pity, hatred, and unwilling to accept an opinion that may step on their very tender toes, and some of them I consider to be friends. I rarely express an opinion that cannot be backed up with facts or life experiences, yet I have been called a pedophile,a racist, an idiot, a motherfucker, and a few other names. Mostly, by a narrow contingent of regular posters, that use profanity and insults, as an excuse for failure to employ intelligent discourse. Is there no wonder that many people fail to openly discuss their opinions on Current? Is their no wonder that old members seem to fall by the wayside quite frequently?

The target market of Current and the actual market may be two different things, but trying to force a size 12 foot into a size 10 shoe does not strike me as a wise marketing strategy. It is clearly possible that a small contingent of very rude posters could bring down an entire site. I only post on one other site, British operated with a Nigerian focus, so I had a very limited exposure to commenting online prior to finding Current. I have worked in a tough environment for most of my career and am not a sissy, however, the venom and hatred expressed (and allowed by staff), by members disagreeing with my opinions was astonishing. JJammer was funny, but I rarely entered into his discussions. The real problem on Current right now is a faction of members that focus on chasing away dissenters without supplying any factional information in rebuttal to comments that may stray right of center.

I think the issue is probably other member's selective flagging. The staff can't monitor every thread, and not every member's going to feel the need to flag an inappropriate comment. It follows that the more people you piss off, the more people will feel the urge to flag your dick comments. The end result might be some unfairness, but this is probably still the most cost effective way to monitor the site.

Current has definitely gone down hill. When I first started watching Current TV and participating on Current.com it was truly refreshing. There were stories and videos that I did not always agree with, but that at least seemed honest. Current does seem plastic. It has taken on the cheap facade of a corporation that has abandoned its ideals in lieu of greater ratings, greater profits. It seems more and more to me like Current has become a subsidiary of News Corp.

Fuck Jammer,

He couldn't play by the rules, he was warned repeatedly, and he was tossed. Good riddance.

After reading his blog I find nothing but a petty little worm crying "poor me". He could still be posting his drivel here if he had half a brain and learned to play by the rules.

Perhaps he has a martyr complex; perhaps he is just an idiot; perhaps a little of both. In any case he dug his own grave.

J Jammer is right. Current is left leaning. But I find many right leaning posts and comments as well. The interview with Ihatethemall was very enlightening and shows the diversity of this community. Bottom line is that Current's demographic is left and therefore most of the stories lean that way.

However, J Jammer has posted numerous hateful, distasteful, and nasty comments so it is no surprise that something small was the straw that broke the camel's back. I suspect the staff at current received numerous complaints and as a result, took action. "We" are the ones who banned J Jammer and not the great left wing conspiracy that comprises Current. Considering the in your face Scott Brown donation banners that are finding their way into every page, I would say Current is doing a lousy job of filtering only leftist information.

For the record, I have not complained about anyone... yet.

J_Jammer was like 12 right?

I'm not going to defend Jammer's statement but to the assessment of this site being too liberal, I'd say he's way off. Where are these liberals he is moaning about? Liberals are few and far between on this site. Maybe it's just me but I thought a liberal was suppose to be tolerant of other viewpoints and beliefs. I thought liberals were open-minded, intelligent, rational, logical, fair, willing to look at both sides, be a humanitarian even to their opponents. My image of a real liberal is someone who doesn't fly half-cocked off the handle with little evidence and has the sense not to be easily led astray by distorted truths and out right lies.

There are such here but unfortunately what I see quite often are shallow trigger-happy ignorant intolerant hypocrites with the attention spans of gnats who are quick to condemn, quick to pass judgement, quick to construct and battle straw men, quick to comment without reading or checking the source, and who are easily fooled by fake news or distorted sensationalistic headlines.

Now nobody's perfect but hell some don't even muster the time and effort to even come close to what liberal should be. Somehow the notion that if they hate whale hunting, wear a pro-choice button, diss Rush&Beck, and wear a T-shirt with some liberal message on it that makes them a liberal. Liberalism is just a trendy fashion statement and environmental concerns are slogans on a bumper sticker. It's all sound and fury signifying nothing.

He makes it seem like he can't come back.

New email, new name and new IP address and he's back. No one is ever band for life if they don't want to be.

It also very fun to have multiple accounts and argue with yourself.