Darwinism PWNED!!! The stupidity and delusion of evolution

FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES: WE HAVE WATCHED EVOLUTION IN PLAY WITH DNA MUTATIONS, NEW SPECIES SURFACING, AND ADAPTATION FROM MANY TERRESTRIAL LIFEFORMS DURING ECOLOGICAL SHIFTS.

CREATIONISM IS BASED ON FAITH AND ARROGANCE, WITH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT HUMANS ARE THE ULTIMATE SPECIES ON THIS PLANET, ARE SEPARATE FROM ANIMALS IN SPITE OF OUR GENETIC SIMILARITIES, AND THAT 7 REALLY LONG DAYS ENDED IN ALL THAT YOU SEE BEFORE US.

PERFECT EXAMPLE: THE CREATIONISTS BELIEVE THAT THE WORLD WAS CREATED ABOUT 6,000 YEARS AGO, WHICH IS FUNNY, BECAUSE SUMERIANS INVENTED GLUE 8,000 YEARS AGO. FURTHERMORE, MANY MAJOR CIVILIZATIONS AND BELIEFS HAD ALREADY EXISTED WELL BEFORE THE CREATIONIST YEAR ZERO.

Alrighty. Yes the guy in the video does not know what he is talking about. That DOES NOT make him a good example to disprove the theory of evolution. Using this man as an example to disprove evolution would be along the lines of using a 4th grader to explain how a car works. You'll come up with an oversimplified, and most likely incorrect, answer.

Moving on the the analogy about the frog turning into a prince. Sure it could happen. Give the frog about 100 million years and billions of generations to slowly change, and the species might evolve into a bipedal, intelligent species that creates it's own society with a sense of royalty. The catch is you need time. Lots and lots of time. You are not going to get a species of ape just to suddenly become nearly hairless and speak coherently in the span of a few generations. It will take dozens of generations before a general difference can even be noticed.

Now, to the DNA coding and correcting of mistakes. This is a product of life and it's creation. One can think that when single celled organisms first developed that some might have developed a feature to correct mistakes in coding their genetic material. It would make sense that after a few cells developed this, that they would become dominant because they could eliminate many of the harmful genetic mistakes that cells without such an ability could not.

Going onto the comment made by Howard Berg about cells being the most efficient machines in the universe. I first call bull. Atoms are far smaller and also more efficient. And beyond that we have quarks and so forth. Still, a machine that could run 100,000 RPM is impressive, until you think about the scale of the machine. In physics, be it marco, micro or normal, is effected by certain rules. Rules of inertia, rules of mass, rules of kinetic energy. Maybe the reason that cells can produce such complex things such as DNA so quickly is because there is very little mass, and very little distance (relatively) to cover. I'll give an example using the opposite end of the scale. Build a car engine in the standard size, then build the same engine, but increase the engines size by 300%. The engine will not be able to run as quickly because there is more mass, inertia and kinetic energy that needs to be controlled. If you increase the speed up to the point of the normal sized engine, then the larger clone of the original would fall apart under the stress of physical forces.

I provided empirical data to show how DNA mutates which is the definition of Evolution.

An increase in genome information and DNA error checking were not backed up with anything other than your opinion. Opinions are fine, but like elbows and assholes, everyone’s got’em.

Sir Isaac Newton was unable to explain Space-Time as Einstein did, but Newton invented calculus that allowed Einstein to create E=mc2. Science evolves unlike dogma. Some of Newton’s theories were proved inaccurate and updated with new information to become more accurate. Science evolves, Dogma is shaped to fit the situation.

"DNA error checking, as it is able to fix some things in production, is quite another thing that presupposes some intelligence, don't you think?"

...only if you do the supposing. Just because you or I or evolutionary biologists don't understand how something came to be (be it flagella or the even more complex eye) does not automatically mean that God, Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster must have magically made it so.

and I guess the "Dawkins-dumbed" question was a little too deep for Eggnaseaus to man up to...tsk another one bites it and grins like he likes it...

"...Just, just...ssstop the camera." LOL =D

DNA error checking, as it is able to fix some things in production, is quite another thing that presupposes some intelligence, don't you think? How do mere chemicals and mindless bacterium operate so efficiently?

""Howard berg at harvard has labeled it the most efficient machine in the universe. These machines, Some of them are running at 100,000 RPMs and are hardwired into a signal transductionor or sensory mechanism so that it's getting *feedback* from the environment. It's got some tail proteins which act as the propellar, when the flagellum rotates these push against the water and therefore push the bacterium forward and the motor uses a flow of acid from outside of the cell to the inside of the cell to power the turning. The bacterial flagellum has two gears forward and reverse, water-cooled proton-motive force, it has a stater, it has a rotor, it has a u-joint, it has a driveshaft, it has a propellar. It's not convenient to give them these names, that's *truly* their function." --Scott Minnich Molecular Biologist University of Idaho. Not even a *modern* day nuclear submarine is as sophisticated still relying on steam basically for power..a grusome marriage of old primitive technology with the "new" i.e. a baseball size ball of uranium, by comparison.

In all about 40 different protein parts are required to build a flagellar motor. since its discovery biologists have tried to understand how a machine of such superb design, could have arisen gradually without foresight or plan through the biological pathway Darwin envisioned...chance huh? =D yeah right.

echoz, you are hilarious!! Keep that comedic gold coming!

Einstein seems to have held with the existence of some force that was responsible for creating the universe, though probably not the Judeo-Christian one. He was constantly amazed by the miracle of the world as it was shown through science and understanding.

It's known that Einstein never took an avid interest in organized religion. It's safe to say, for him, Orthodox and Conservative Judaism were not the way to go. However, he never protested other people's rights to express their own Judaism. While he may not have believed in all the tenets of the Jewish religion, he fully supported any other Jew's rights to do so. Religious tolerance, a hallmark of America, suited Einstein quite well.

In keeping with another traditional Jewish notion, Einstein placed an extremely high value on education. Believing that Jews had the same right to receive high-quality, persecution-free education as anyone else, he made significant contributions to the Jewish educational world. One of his major educational projects was Hebrew University in Jerusalem. The school officially opened in 1925, and it was founded by many different scholars and government officials including Einstein. He actually went to the United States in 1921 largely to raise funds for the creation of the school. Hebrew Univiersity initially offered courses of study in Judaism, chemistry and microbiology. They expanded their course offerings and is today one of the most respected in Israel.

Einstein also affected educational institutions he wasn't directly affiliated with. Yeshiva University founded in 1886, is the oldest Jewish university in America. In determining a name for the college of medicine, university president Dr. Samuel Belkin chose to name it after Einstein--the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Einstein agreed to let the school use his name in 1953 and it opened in 1955.

I don't think I'm smarter than Einstein, but he was an amazing visionary bucking establishment trends, perhaps much very like evolution. You're probably right about the agreement among creationists Pwdr' but I think you'd be hard pressed to find much better agreement in the ranks of evolutionists either as the theory itself has many flavors having been redefined every time facts disprove rather important aspects of it, such as Behe's shared discovery of molecular machines. even Gould and/or others have chided "fellow" evolutionists for believing or propogating things that are no longer honestly believed to support evolution.

But perhaps by your insistence then you might like to answer for Dawkins then? We'll give you some time. =D Can *you* provide any expliciit examples that show a dramatic or any increase in genome information, as the question was put to Dawkins? That might be answerable I guess, if you could disprove the known fact of genetic decay... It's not going to happen though... IS IT. You'd have to be God, but you're not =P "hopeful monsters" anyone?

and ricky' imho you too would be stupid to continue believing that irreducible complexity isn't already proven. Take any of the five basic parts of a mousetrap away and see if it continues to function without all the parts necessarily having to be there simultaneously and specific positions. And yet the same kind of thing it's clearly observable in the life a "simple" eukaryotic cell...one of the basic but extremely sophisticated and complex (clearly DESIGNED) building blocks of life. The flagellum motor is too complex to assume it as a chance occurance. If you think motors aren't designed, you've never talked to an engineer.

Evolutionists ultimately believe, to use an example from secular television, that frogs turn into princes. Calling evolution a fact without at least broadly specifying a mechanism that isn't both non-science and non-sense [re: "hopeful monsters"] --unless evolutionists are willing to consider the kiss of a princess a potentially valid evolutionary hypothesis!

Creationists don't believe that frogs turn into princes at all, of course, but, rather that frogs and people were separately created from the same kinds of molecular "building blocks".

In any case, it's vital that students and people be given every opportunity to explore all aspects of the origins' issue. It's ironic that students in other countries have had greater academic freedom to actually review all the evidence than students in America the so-called "land of the free." After all, it is only those students who have access to all the relevant information on a topic who are truly free to think about it.

Harvard's Stephen Gould once chided his fellow evolutionists for illogical extrapolation. He says that the "Orothodox neo-Darwinians extrapolate these even and continuous changes to the most profound structural transitions..." For the old line mutation-selection evolutionist, "macroevolution (major structural transition) is nothing more than microevolution extended."

But then Gould asks himself, "How can such processes change a gnat or a rhinocerous into something fundamentally different?" Answering his own question in a later article, Gould simply says: "That theory [orthodox neo-Darwinian extrapolationalism], as a general proposition, is effectively dead, despite its persistence as textbook orthodoxy."

Gould believed our knowledge of genetics is now sufficient to reject the explanation of evolution as the slow, gradual selection of mutational changes. He prefers to believe instead that evolution occurs in giant steps, radical restructuring of whole DNA sets, producing what he himself calls "hopeful monsters." But he admits that no such hopeful monster has ever been observed. His new theory, then, is not any sort of logical inference from observation, but a fantastic faith in the future of a theory that the facts have failed.

Religion is in my view 2 seperate factions.
1st faction of christianity. They believe god is their strength, their hope, and their love. This is pretty much the only time i mention the kind people.
2nd faction of christianity. They believe god hates people.
Unfortuinatly Most of the religions fall in to the second catagory. Muslums are trained to hate jews. just like christians are trained to hate any unsavory charachters or "heathens". claming that anybody who has an honest disagreement of opinion is out to destroy them, Their beliefs, and their god. Its so paranoid. Mabye its guilt for all of their sins. Lets look at the christians.
1 Dr Martin Luthor King Jr.WAS THE FIRST RELIGOUS MAN TO SPEAK OUT at a large scale about about racial segragation. I guess god wanted there to be slaves in "his" country up untill that point.
2 The policy of non involvment during the hollocaust. Does god hate jews for killing his sone. Something that was enevatably going to happen? something that subsoquently saved the world from damnation?
3 Leviticus 20. Does god want me to kill gay people? Oh old testamate? Did God want us to kill gay peope?
4 Our president claims god talked to him and told him to be president. Well that one is not fair, we all know how bad he is at "taklin'" he may have been trying to say dad.
but the overall point is that science may be flawed. it may not be perfect but the one thing that it does and does well is learn. Learn about the world we live in through trial and error. That means if they believe something and find evidence prooving something else they follow that. They never fear new ideas. And one more pesky detail. You cant call a book or a feeling or what you are told as evidance. Cars dont grow on trees. Duh! respect it for what it is.... Smarter than you. I bet you diddent read this far. But if you did and i reached you a little mabye you should set a good example and take credit for some of the terrable things your people have done.

Exactly, Dont let the smart people tell you whats going on. The big invisable man in the sky tells US what to do!!!

Im sure you dont know im being sarcastic so ill just tell you.
Evolution is a fact...get over it. It is also a fact that evolution doesent say weather or not there is a god. Dont believe me look in a science book and look up god.
Im so sick and tired of people trying to shove religion down my throat. I could never follow christians because im just not prejeduce enough, by a long shot.
To be christian you have to hate the whole world for not following the same life style as you. And I know I get it. hate whoever you want its a free country. (I hate midget clowns) just kidding. But remember seperation of church and state? That means this is not a christian country and you can never make it one. just like too many chinese people moving here, it wont be a buddist country. This country is a hodgepodge. Its the platypus. A freak, but beautifull. A place where people wont push their god on you. Or force you to live a seperate lifestyle because your different. Or kill you for what you believe. But look what we are doing today.
Gay people cant cet married because god says no.
Every one that disagrees is wrong, evil, and concequentially dangerous. I used to know a religous fenatic and she would always tell me I have the devils tounge. I took it as a complament. It meant that i was making her think and also making sence. which i think scared her. she had alot riding on this god thing. True story they have 2 kids, twins on the way. One has a a job and one spends all his time at church. their praying to come up with a solution to their money problems.(Yeah im talking about you jay). Im not judging. To each his own, Religous life or scientific life or both whatever you want its a free country. You want to marry a woman.are you a woman...you know what it doesent matter its a free country! Do you like pot as opposed to alcahol call me. just kidding. but great its a free country. The ONE princapal that this country was founded on. the true spirit of our country. Why do you think so many mexicans come to this country? to be closer to god? to not have abortions? No hey work in this country for nothing much and dont complain for shit. They work hard and are thankfull for the oppourtuinity.

Echoz, are you seriously trying to dispell the theory of evolution with a youtube clip? Wow you have somehow blundered onto the perfect analogy of intelligent design.

Ok let’s take all the knowledge passed down through the years, make advance, after advance, after advance and STOP because one balding, no name douchbag decides he can’t figure the world out. Michael Behe is not a leading authority on anything besides intelligent design. Furthermore the whole idea behind irreducible complexity is retarded.

You cannot prove irreducible complexity any more that you can prove Evolution, but that’s not the problem. The real problem is that the whole purpose of “IC” is to stop science itself whenever we come to a problem that cannot be solved immediately. Its absolutely ridiculous to think the scientific world should replace any and all questions they have with god, or magic.

*headdesk*

In time, provided that we don't destroy ourselves or some cataclysm doesn't wipe us out, either science will complete it's systematic dismantling of the bible or biblical prophecy will prove true and those of us on the wrong side of Pascal's wager will feel the pain. The possibility also exists that we could all get a shock and wake up in the afterlife of one of the world's many other religious or spiritual beliefs. We're all going to find out sooner or later. :-) In the meantime, let's try and live well and agree to be tolerant of one another's beliefs.

So... Where's the evidence for creationism again? Oh, that's right, it's all circumstantial...

All theories have holes in them at some point or another. Thats what science is, the continued pursuit of the truth despite any potholes you run into on the way.

Believing in evolution doesn't mean atheism. I believe in God, and I also believe that God created the universe. I just believe that God didn't create the Universe as it is today. Does that make sense?

Anyways. Believe in creationism all you want. I'll believe in the theory with physical evidence. Also, I don't feel like a random piece of dirt, nor am I ashamed to be related to Chimpanzees.

The concept of irreducible complexity also applies to biological machines including the bacterium flagellum. All told there are about 40 different protein parts which are necessary for this molecular machine to work...You can't put something together like that gradually because they need a large number of parts interacting with eachother at the same time before they work at all...and it's astoundingly complex! Could a dumb blind process such as evolution explain it? Not even, unless you're just stupid.

Clearly without any necessary respect to religion, if you follow the truly scientific evidence, interpretting it without atheist bias, you'll see life is no joke and no coincidence and hardly random in the least!!! And the good new is that, personally to yourself, you can look in the mirror and acknowledge that you're not just an animal. You did not originate from monkeys, and your life has incredible value and potential!!! You are special!!! If atheist want to use evolution to tell you are nothing but a lucky piece of dirt...look how many others there are. (and evolution doesn't even begin to get into the complexity of the clear design necessary for their to be sexes and procreation...) So just know...you ARE NOT a random piece of dirt and you are much much more complex than any evolutionist monkey wants you to believe.

You'd have to be stupid to think the car you're driving and that operates as perfectly as you intend it to, could be the chance occurance of some lightning strike in your driveway. You'd have to be extremely stupid to believe the great Sphynx was created totally by the elements of natural wind, rain and erosion. You'd have to be really freakn brainwashed to insist that the great pyramids of Egypt weren't constructed by someone!!! Yet evolutionists might as well be telling you the Sphynx was created by the common "natural" processes of an earthquake and a landfalling cyclone; or that the pyramids erupted by "natural" processes of volcanoes, or that everyone's car was just the freak random and repeatedly chance occurance of "shut the hell up, don't question evolution!"

But since you're not as stupid as they want you to be and act, let's just face it.

Evolution really IS retarded and backwards. It's for people who just don't WANT to believe there even could be a God, which...frankly, just isn't most of us--even if most of us aren't so religious. So why do we put up with atheist crap that science doesn't even support???

Most of its supporters are brainwashed to immediately attack any creationist point of view, even if the evidence clearly supports it...why? because it doesn't support their own bs atheist views. That's why. (What were you expecting? some long dissertation on human behavior? I think that part of it is pretty simple.) The study of now OBVIOUS stunningly complex intelligent design AND order in nature's most basic building blocks clearly substantiate Darwin's own fears for the utter demise of his theory of evolution. Darwin stated in My Fantastic Imagination for the Origin of Species that "If it could be demonstrated that any *complex* organ existed which could not *possibly* have been formed by numerous, successive slight modifications, my theory would *absolutely* break down." Yet we find evolutionist constantly modifying and an utterly failed theory to explain the existence of life as we know it by purely natural random forces. it's bs.

Darwin himself acknowledge that if someone identified a biological system that could not have been constructed in incremental steps even over long periods of time, that his own theory would be ABSOLUTELY invalid...his words for any idiots out there wanting to twist this into any religious statement just based on the word "absolute". (You'd think I'm crazy but some fools have attempted this to defend defunct evolution...too bad they paid so much money to study that crap in the world's "universities")

Clear evidence for the astounding premeditated work and DESIGN AND ORDER that has gone into life has been made known by the important work of Michael Behe and others in molecular biology. The concept of irreducible complexity coined by Michael Behe says that you already have mutlicomponent parts to any given organelle or system to a cell, all of which are absolutely necessary for function. That is, if you remove even just one part, you lose function of that system!

A mouse trap illustrates... the trap is composed of five basic pieces: a catch to hold the bait, a strong spring, a rod called the hammer (which does the dirty work of slamming a surprised mouse before he can react), a holding bar to secure the hammer in place, and a platform on which the entire system is mounted. If any one of these is missing or defective, the mechanism just won't work...ever...no matter how much time you give it. ALL components of this irreducibly complex system MUST be present SIMULTANEOUSLY for the machine to perform its function.