Green | June 09, 2008 | 63 comments

'Forget climate change, we should spend on nutrition'

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Malnutrition should be the world’s major priority for aid and development, a panel of eight leading economists, including five Nobel laureates, declared yesterday.

The provision of supplements of vitamin A and zinc to children in developing countries, to prevent avoidable deficiencies that affect hundreds of millions of children, is the most cost-effective way of making the world a better place, the Copenhagen Consensus initiative has found.

Three other strategies for improving diets in poor nations were also named among the top six of 30 challenges assessed by the project, which aims to prioritise solutions to the world’s many problems according to their costs and benefits.

Efforts to control global warming by cutting greenhouse gas emissions, however, were rated at the bottom of the league table, as the economists considered the high costs of such action were not justified by the payoffs. Research into new low-carbon technologies, such as solar and nuclear fusion power, was ranked as more worthwhile, in 14th place.

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This article is the result of the panels voting on the issues most important to deal with in our world. I did not come up with the headline or the story, I am simply the messenger of the news article to the Current community. Thank you all for responding and weighing in on this subject. Both are extremely important to me. Climate change is a long term goal, but starvation is an immediate goal. Please keep that in mind.
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63 comments // 'Forget climate change, we should spend on nutrition'

  • CarlosIsDown
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      CarlosIsDown  
    • Feed those childre. . . create infrastructure (roads, public transport, telephone/internet lines, schools) for them then those kids study, become scientists and help solve global warming.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • I'm going to take the position everyone is going to hate me for.

      What about population control? If we start feeding starving people, they will just sustain, breed and starve -again-.

      Why don't we start getting smart about birth rates instead of pretending this problem away?

      There are nearly 7 billion people on this planet! When are we going to admit that we have a very serious overpopulation problem?

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • Saladin:

      Besides feeding them we need to teach them about family planning and birth control, using condoms would also help to stop the spread of AIDS and other STDs.

      Food and Education is what they need.

    • 3 years ago
  • 1779fleet
  • mjsmith11
  • ashgallagher
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      ashgallagher  
    • i can only support environment solutions if it is a creative idea...shouting from platforms for money does not count....(and that includes al gore's rants).

      hunger is a more climactic problem. governements who steal from their citizens and are corrupt is what needs to be addressed. i would much rather support "humanitarian" aid b/c humans are of much higher value than anything else on the planet.

    • 3 years ago
  • THEREisHOPE
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      THEREisHOPE  
    • I say, let the world go. If there aren't people who are concerned with the well-being of others, then this is not a world I want to live in, or support.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • colmor
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      colmor  
    • The truth is there are enough resources on the planet to both remedy the climate and feed the hungry. As Kurt Vonnegut so poignantly wrote, "earths epitaph will read, 'we could have saved it but we were too cheap.'"

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • mjsmith11
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      mjsmith11  
    • I agree 100% with the panel that came to this conclusion. People are starving and they need to eat. Feeding the starving population of this world is a task that requires more than just shipping food somewhere. As we see in Burma/Myanmar, feeding the starving people requires overcoming tyrannical obstructions. In Africa, starvation is used as a military and political tactic. I would like to see at least as much attention and resources spent on ending global hunger as there is being spent on global warming. Excellent post Jubal, thank you for posting.

    • 3 years ago
  • passjay
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      passjay  
    • you're tellin' the truth, people are so self envolved it is rediculous. plus the fact thai the world has entered into ressession.

    • 3 years ago
  • ocanada
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      ocanada  
    • Sustainable development is about more than just adressing climate change its about preventing the increase in disasters in the developing world, and about making sure that a global recession caused by increased energy costs coupled with increased crop failures, drought, and flooding, don't undo the work we are doing to prevent people from starvation and malnurtition. The truth is we aren't doing enough to adress either problem and we need to realize that helpiing the developing world with more than just charity but with investmensts and microlending helps us as well!

    • 3 years ago
  • J_current
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      J_current  
    • in case you didnt understand me in the first place...im down for dat population control knaaa meeeen...hunger aids...all dat shit...yeah!! and keep pointin dat haarp at da ocean...word!! lets heat this sonofabitch....uhhh....it's gettin hot in hurrr... word...ronadlos got maaaad loot....let them starve...nah let them eat cake....word up son....word

    • 3 years ago
  • fuckbush
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  
    • With all my "duo" respect here, you all have been manipulated by this Media Channel that, by the way are misleading everyone with a wrong title.

      As much as you talk about it as much credit you will be given to them. Most of the time when I arrived on a Post, I started to read everything on the Post from top to bottom and not write my opinion just based on the last post. I know, it takes a lot of time but you can teach yourself to read things real fast and weight on the discussion first. I am going to say it again in case you have not read the previous Post: "This discussion is just speculation as you cannot compare Environmental issues over Nutritional ones as both are important issues. The End!

      Now go ahead and start to give credit to the Wrongs again!

    • 3 years ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Also, I posted about this new food advance from Doctors Without Borders called "plumpynut" that has been cutting malnutrition rates in Niger and other countries. This is a good first step towards then bringing education to people in these areas to learn how to grow their own food and sustain themselves instead of depending on those who give them loans with huge interest rates that wind up keeping them in poverty thus exacerbating the viscious cycle of poverty and famine. I think initiatives like this should be supported wholeheartedly.

    • 3 years ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • Drought which causes famine is caused by climate change as well as wasteful agricultural practices. I say we need to educate people and give them the tools to know how to feed themselves instead of depending on the World Bank and IMF 'loans' to starve them, and at the same time provide education on climate change in order to be able to adapt to the changes in land, water, etc. It is all connected but education is the key.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • JanforGore:

      Thank you Jan for supporting the education component. This is the key to everything. Opening their minds to the possibilities on how to manage their resources more wisely; like their water supplies which are vital to their survival both economically and agriculturally.

    • 3 years ago
  • malathion
  • Becky6378
  • ii386
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      ii386  
    • cant feed em dont breed em....damn i love that bumper sticker even though i know its not that simple or realistic.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • ii386:

      It's not so simple as that. Can't feed em don't breed em is a slogan that has no basis in the reality of what takes place.

      There can be plenty of food for all if the resources where managed correctly and you worked toward ending tribal strife. There are Multinational Corporations who manipulate the economies of these starving nations that is another factor. Then finally you have the weather, droughts, storms, and tsunamis that devastate the food producing infrastructure and this also leads to starvation.

      Where is the compassion for these starving children?

    • 3 years ago
  • LuckyTripps
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      LuckyTripps  
    • A photo like that is worse than a photo of death, because it is death unrested. And all it would take is some food? Wow, that's easier to solve than cancer!

    • 3 years ago
  • lillian
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      lillian  
    • I feel that the majority of these responses come from a very privileged view. Don't get me wrong, I do what I can on a personal level to try and prevent global warming and recognize the severity of the human strain on the earth. However, where is the empathy? Starvation is way more of an immediate human need. I find it interesting that most people have such a cold response to an emotional issue presented logically. I am referring to the actual article's point that reducing malnutrition is more cost effective than reducing global warming. If you were to hold a starving baby, child, man, or woman in your hands, i doubt you would say no, i don't want to spent 20 cents so this person can have vitamin A for a year, i want to pay carbon taxes. It's so easy to turn away from pictures taken halfway around the world instead of being outraged and horrified by this human suffering because we have no way of relating to the pain of starvation.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • People have been dying of starvation long before the first combustion engine was ever created. Global warming is a short term problem that’s gets a lot of attention because it effects everyone( rich people included)

      You always see pictures of the world displayed whenever a website or article refers to global warming. However the world will not be destroyed because of global warming. Humans will be destroyed. Our problem is that we wrongly claim the earth as ours and attach it to everything human. So on an subconscious level we believe the earth will die when we as a species die.

      When the first pictures of earth were taken from outer space everyone was thrilled. To this day people conceitedly proclaim that we all realized if only for a moment that we one and the same, all sharing a home on this little blue planet. However if you show a picture of some poor kid dying of malnutrition on ANY corner of the planet you’ll only get a fraction of a fraction of a response.

      People just don’t care unless it directly affects themselves. As an atheist I find this horrible because I recognize (or believe) that god does not cherry pick the best souls for Christian or American bodies. Everyone should come into this world with at least the right to have sustenance. It would best serve our species if we all recognized this because everyone has the ability to contribute to our wellbeing just like everyone creates pollution.

      The greatest act of compassion does not spring from a desire to save yourself, it comes from a desire to help those less fortunate then yourself. While it is good to see that a large number are getting behind the green movement it is incredibly disheartening to see us confirm our own inadequacies. That’s why I think fighting malnutrition is way more important then global warming.

    • 3 years ago
  • mransom
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      mransom  
    • Ricky84:

      Focusing our attention more on climate change would ultimately cut our losses. As the climate changes, food crops will begin to die off, and the number of people starving will increase, exponentially. I'm not advocating a halt in humanitarian efforts, just a more intensive approach to the climate issues at hand.

    • 3 years ago
  • mransom
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      mransom  
    • Ricky84:

      One more thing (sorry, I don't mean to be combative), how is global warming a short-term problem? It's definitely a more "modern" problem than malnutrition, but I don't think it's short term...

    • 3 years ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • Ricky84:

      Global warming is absolutely a short term problem. The theory of a runaway climate shift is relatively new and the technological and social changes necessary to advert this problem are required within the next fifty or so years. Once people learn to live a sustainable and healthy life the governments of this world are not going to turn away from this progression.

      On the other hand the problem of malnutrition is as old as humanity itself. So I call this a long term problem because we did not evolve to a point where our food gathering practiced became insufficient to feed everyone. The real problem is how the world community manages the food it does have.

      Fair is the key word. We don’t live in a fair world because people don’t give a shit. However when we do learn to be responsible and compassionate we’ll probably find that we already have the means to manage the population. So I’m sorry I’m sticking to what I said because I know that fixing global warming is not going to stop our food crisis. Before global warming became an issue people were still dying from malnutrition.

      In the end Stopnoise is exactly right. You can’t claim that a victory over global warming is going to solve malnutrition any more than you can claim a victory over malnutrition is going to stop global warming. With respects to those who have already died you shouldn’t even claim such a half a**** solution. It just doesn’t make any sense. People are just getting offended because they feel the righteousness of their cause is being challenged.

      I don’t think Jubal’s intentions were really to piss anyone off. If anything I think this story best serves us all when we think outside of the box. While it’s good to embrace the green movement it’s equally important that we don’t lose perspective. Malnutrition is a huge problem and it deserves the same amount of attention as global warming.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • Ricky84:

      Thank you Ricky84 for your most heart felt explanation of why fighting malnutrition is important; and perhaps more important in the immediate future as is the global warming issue. The earth does go through cycles, this is true, with cycles of higher and lower levels of CO2.

      These problems of stabilization of these levels are what people are addressing and raising social consciousness about. But this issue has long been overlooked because the people most affected are often subconsciously looked at as undeserving and less human than the rest of us. How many times have you heard in this country that people are poor and living in poverty because they are damn lazy?

      Too many for me to stomach. I know the barriers that exist for people of color and there are many. The greatest famines currently killing millions are in Africa, and everybody thats rich couldn't be happier to let them all die so they can take their land away in the name of their banks and financial institutions while supporting economically corrupt leaders.

      This is genocide by ignorance.

    • 3 years ago
  • diode
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      diode  
    • forget climate change, we should spend on fixing governments. they are why we have so many impoverished people. people think theres something to be done about the planet, its doomed to do whether or not we are on it. the only future for the human race is off earth.

    • 3 years ago
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  
    • We should be discussing about a wrong literary tactic used by a person or Media Institution that came up with a title that attacks environmentalism labeling it as less important than Nutrition. No else everyone's discussion should not be put forward. As much as we argue about this it just a form of giving credit and encourage the Wrongs.

      Therefore "Forget the War, We should spend on nutrition" Would be the right Title!

    • 3 years ago
  • keithponder
    • keithponder  
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  • jubal
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  
    • The issue here has very little to do with both issues but in reality with misusing a title to call people's attention in detriment of Environmental Issues. Many of us know that both issues are important and it should not be used as a comparison play. Please read Jubal and my previous post. I am suggesting for you guys to not waist your fire argument over this!

    • 3 years ago
  • Becky6378
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      Becky6378  
    • I agree with CarolynGillis. Every human being on earth could be well-fed with just the grains used to feed the factory-farmed cows bred for American's burgers and steaks. Yum. Not to mention the pollution created by factory farmed pigs and cows.
      I think birth control education should be right up there with nutrition issues.

    • 3 years ago
  • silently_sarah
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      silently_sarah  
    • Lack of food is part of the global warming problem. Saving these people in the immediate doesn't help fix their surroundings so they don't need saving in the first place.

    • 3 years ago
  • silently_sarah
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      silently_sarah  
    • silently_sarah:

      That's fine. But I'm not talking about ethanol, I'm talking about how the heat is sucking the moisture out of the earth so that the land is barren. Following this, that means that there are horrific storms around the world because of said excess moisture in the atmosphere. If all the water is evaporating, it's going to hit us again someplace. Take care of the earth, then you take care of it's ability to sustain those living on it.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • keithponder
    • keithponder  
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  • fuckbush
  • mintchip
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  
    • Jubal Thanks for catching up this UK post in which in my opinion, it is not more than dirty tactics used by people that wants to attack and diminish environmental issues. It is a dirty, dirty and wrong comparison! People that do that should be ashamed of themselves.

      If it was a football's game this is compared with a "Penalty." Opsss! Someone just malicious kick someone on the groin in the defenders area.

    • 3 years ago
  • mcordar1
  • mransom
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      mransom  
    • While I see everyone's logic, here's a thought: if we don't act quickly to stop climate change, we won't have much of an earth left to live on. Mal/undernutrition may threaten to kill millions of people, but all 6.5 B of us will be in the same situation if we don't act fast to stop he destruction of our planet....

    • 3 years ago
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  
    • Post Title: 'Forget climate change, we should spend on nutrition'

      Jubal, You're my friend and as your Friend you can count on me to tell you the truth. I did heard this type of comparison comment before but used on different subjects.

      The comparison should not be made with two rights and important issues but on the contrary with one issue that it is wrong and the other right.

      I would go for that if the title here would be compared to the War. Actually this is where You should be comparing it, to this War. Example:

      "Forget the War, We should spend on nutrition"

    • 3 years ago
  • BetterWatching
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • stopnoise:

      It is not my title or article, it is a repost of an article from a UK paper. Obviously it is meant to ignite debate and discussion.

      I agree with all the comments that state that both problems are equally important.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_current
  • PajamaDan
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      PajamaDan  
    • Let's see, fix hunger first, SOME people are saved.
      Fix Earth's health crisis first, ALL people are saved.

      Not to diminish the starvation problem, but if we ignore Global Warming/Climate Change/Operation Earth Death, there is no chance for anyone.

      I have seen the future, and it is not good.
      END TRANSMISSION

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • PajamaDan:

      Have you not watched an Inconvenient Truth, even if we were successful in accomplishing a stop to the growth of CO2 emission in this country, it will take 20 years for those reductions to have a noticeable effect. At the same time you have other countries just becoming industrialized and they have no plans to cut their CO2 emissions.

      Although I see Climate Change as a pending disaster that we must continue to fight for, we have millions of people dying of starvation right now, we need to address this ASAP. These problems can't wait for the time it will take to combat the corporate greed stranglehold on politics and economics.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • I want to be clear that because I posted this story that I personally am not saying that this is the #1 issue. I agree with 1Eco_Media and the others who have stated that both are equally important and both should be addressed with immediacy.

      Climate change is a bigger fight because it is opposed by greedy and filthy rich multinational corporations who are extremely powerful, but easing the starvation and malnutrition of children is a much easier fight to win in the short run.

    • 3 years ago
  • CarolynGillis
  • 1Eco_Media
  • Chique
  • shroomfairy
  • absentbree
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      absentbree  
    • I agree that Global/Eco Issues are very important, but nothing should ever be as important as millions of people dying because of mal-nutrition and preventable diseases and finding ways to halt those problems.
      Helping people should be our number one Priority..I don't think that should ever be debatable

    • 3 years ago
  • CarolynGillis
  • sgwhites
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      sgwhites  
    • CarolynGillis:

      You can also make an effort to eat locally, which reduces the impact on the environment, supports local business, and is a great option for those of us who can't be vegan and healthy at the same time.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_current
  • jubal
  • jubal
  • BetterWatching
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