Green | June 19, 2008 | 12 comments

Using scientists' words to support religious beliefs.

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"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this"
- Richard Dawkins
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12 comments // Using scientists' words to support religious beliefs.

  • J_Jammer
  • Dmitri_Molotov
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      Dmitri_Molotov  
    • I have no faith, and according to your religion I was created that way intentionally. So now your god would destroy me and sentence me to eternal torture because... why?
      Gee thanks. I sure want to believe in this god, it seems real reasonable.

    • 3 years ago
  • rapturefrd
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      rapturefrd  
    • Dmitri_Molotov:

      Whether you believe that you can, or whether you believe that you cannot, either way, you are correct. The choice is yours. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made and we can stop limiting ourselves when we make the decision to do so. You are much too wonderful a creation to stay in a little box of your limited natural mind. Expand.

      The scripture would say, "according as you believe, so be it unto you". If you insist on believing that you have no faith, it is your choice. On the other hand, you can make a decision that you will exercise your faith, turn around and go in a different direction. Do I believe that everyone has faith? Oh yes! But I cannot believe for you. That faith can be like a speck, and it will grow; like a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds, yet grows into a huge tree.

      When a small child lets him or herself fall out of a tree, into the waiting arms of her father below, she is using her faith. She made the decision to exercise it and let go of the tree, and she falls with abandon, into the parent's arms. If she or he decided that they could not possibly do that, they would stay in the tree. Don't stay in the tree, is all I'm saying.

      Everyone has faith in something or someone or some belief. To believe that there is no God, is to have faith, that there is no God. The choice is yours, but you do have faith my friend. The question is how you choose to exercise it.

      Oh, and by the way, what do you mean when you say religion? To me, religion is whatever a person is practicing, in their effort to find, please, or connect with God. Once a human being, makes the connection, the relationship begins, and religion is no longer needed. It's just a vehicle, a schoolmaster, if you will.

      ohh, ohh, getting sleepy..peace, all.

    • 3 years ago
  • rapturefrd
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      rapturefrd  
    • God is a Sprit. Science can only prove or disprove the natural, never, the supernatural. To believe in God, faith is needed. It is the key. The scripture itself says that without faith, it is impossible to please God, for he that believes, must believe that God is, and that He is a rewarder, of them that "diligently" seek him. (not those that do not)

      It is interesting to me, that this "genius" starts out by saying that the "word of God" is "nothing more" than the expression and "product of" human weaknesses, etc., etc. Which is it? The product of human weaknesses, or, the word of God? Surely, it cannot be both, yet he begins by referring to the bible as the "word of God". Quite the contradiction! Or perhaps not. Out of the abundance of what is in the heart, the mouth speaks. A glimpse of an unspoken doubt? Maybe. I would not say, "we'll never know". I believe that one day, we will all know. Until then, we must do everything within our power to seek the truth ourselves, with an open mind, while we still have time. How sad, if those who do not believe, are wrong, and find that out, only after it is too late.

      I

    • 3 years ago
  • dearmat23
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      dearmat23  
    • The man did say "I want to know God's thoughts, the rest are details."

      There seems to be a trend in these type of threads to confuse the concept of God with the dogma of religious institutions that it engenders.

      Faith in scientific empiricism can be just as much of a dogma that disconnects us from the fundamental mystery of life.

    • 3 years ago
  • Dmitri_Molotov
  • J_Jammer
  • neckfire
  • J_Jammer
  • neckfire
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      neckfire  
    • "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this"

      These are Albert Einsteins words, not Richard Dawkins.

      Here is the full passage from the article:

      "Yet a recently unearthed letter should cool any further desire to conscript him as a believer. In 1954, a year before his death, Einstein wrote a letter to Jewish philosopher Eric Gutkind that was sold at auction for $404,000. It's easy to see why Richard Dawkins was a losing high-level bidder for this extraordinary document:

      The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilized interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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