Best evidence yet that being gay is not a choice

You might have the brain of a fruit fly (and they are called that because THEY are gay by the way!) Patrick! Yes, people can change the gender with whom they have sex, as sexuality is a spectrum. Almost everyone is a little bit straight and a little bit gay. D'uh!

John fruit flys are not gay your thinking of white eyed male flys they will mate with anything. They create mating Congo lines NOT pairs.

I am really curious about your spirituality. I love my self and i love my fellow human being. Sometimes the truth hurt. I am not satan worshipper. God is over all. Jesus is Lord. I take no pleasure terrorising others. there is nothing to gain. I will share the truth in love. You know we all not perfect but my imperfection will not intimidate me to surrounder to my weakness. I dont hate homosexuals either. I love them too becuase they humans. Let face the truth. L et embrace the truth. Peace. wishig you happy xmas

You wouldn't know the truth if it presented itself in person in front of your eyes. You are brainwashed by the bible....that is why you are a satan worshiper because you have not opened your eyes to see who the god of the bible really is.

Jesus can't even be proven to have existed, although I will concede that what he is quoted as saying is worthy of consideration.

I will bet your salvation that you cannot find one scripture where Jesus says that homosexuals are going to hell. I am sure you can find something from Paul or something from Jehovah...but nothing from Jesus.

If being homosexual was so bad...then why was that not on Jesus list of complaints. He sure had a lot to say about judging people and taking the log out of your own eye before you go judging and condemning others. He talked about the hypocrisy of the leaders of the church who know the way to heaven but refuse to allow anyone to enter....because they serve the great satan.

I have had this discussion about the bible with hundreds of people and you are just one more ant to come into this forum and spout that homosexuality is a sin, its the truth, jesus is lord and your going to hell if you don't repent. Its an old song and dance that is frankly very tired. So if you don't have anything really new to add....then kindly go somewhere else and spew your religious venom.

And the truth is you do take delight in terrorizing people by saying "I know the truth and you don't" You are no better nor any worse than anyone on this website...but by your words you must be a tremendously fearful person because you have to promote yourself while downgrading others.

Friend you confusing yourself. Before you said more spiritual and loving and am not. Now the bible is false God is false and Jesus is false. I will not say much becuase i dont know your theology base. Even saying Jesus is false and could not be proven in scripture is like saying the Holy fathers and prophet were false and they even did not exist. First Satan is not great and not due of any worship. Jesus loves all humans. He loved just as the father loves but also spoke of the simple simple wrongs and sins we do but in all Jesus and for that matterGod loves us all. I did not Say Homosexual will go to hell. You saying that. All wrong is wrong. if one wrong sin or challenge can discredit any from heaven even when love their God then all wrongs sin weaknesses whatever it be can do the same. Dont be dishearted. I dont hate Gays. God Jesus does not hate gays. the teachers of the law and the inspire writters of scriptures dont hate gays. What scripture clearly says is it is not the ideal of God, scripture says it wrong. I am sorry if my words cause any offense.

There are no laws from god....only man made laws that are claimed to have come from god.

Is that simple enough for you?

You aren't going to win anyone over in this forum talking like you do using Jesus or Jehovah or Allah as your authority...especially the bible. It is a story that people made up....along with every other scripture or prophet or wise man. Every body makes stuff up and claims it comes from god.

hello how you doing? i hope you well. Am not trying to win any over am interested saying the truth no matter what. well stuff happens and people make suff up right? emm. i just wonder. before you said you more spiritual and better know God or the bible than me. I am just interested in your base of belief.We can agree to disagree. I believe there is God is love and also shun wrong and sin. I believe God gave law and orders and also has given grace that is why i believe homosexual sex is wrong. well if you believe there is no God there is rule and law there is no grace stuff just happens then nothing is wrong. Have happy merry holiday

Ask your doctor to make one of your brain, then.

Are you man or woman? Gay or striahgt. it seems you not sure or offended by the truth. Know the truth and you will be free.

Whether I am a man or a woman, gay or heterosexual is of no relevance to the subject, and none of your business. I do know the truth, and I am free - which is the opposite of what you can in all honesty claim for yourself.

Yours are the typical reactions of closeted gays who cannot deal with their true nature.

We should be asking for the brain scans of the animals.

sorry to hear. we love gays people just hate when we try to establish wrong as right. All those medical proof from 1993 support gays has been proof 100% as false. read about. No one is born gay. there is no gay gene and simply put gay is wrong. the fact that you experiece sex with other men and you got addicted does not mean is your true nature. The fact that some loves blood and goes abouting killing does not mean that is true nature. the fact that somone so carnal enough to try animal sex and loves that not mean that is true nature. Sister some gays have change and lving straight life. damn so foolish. why will gay man even dream of having sex with straight mna. that is madness. I have gays friends. i respect i love them as humans but i clearly dont approve the life style. I have heard gays wanting relationship with women. what a shame. some have hidden family but yet addicted to gay sex. Homosexuality is damn wrong and sin like any othe sin. they need help like any person with cronic addiction.

It is exactly like your brain. What is your problem, anyway?

You couldn't be further from the truth. Homosexual men and women were indeed born that way. Your ignorance is astounding, and you have zero understanding of the science involved.

sorry to hear. we love gays people just hate when we try to establish wrong as right. All those medical proof from 1993 support gays has been proof 100% as false. read about. No one is born gay. there is no gay gene and simply put gay is wrong. the fact that you experiece sex with other men and you got addicted does not mean is your true nature. The fact that some loves blood and goes abouting killing does not mean that is true nature. the fact that somone so carnal enough to try animal sex and loves that not mean that is true nature. Sister some gays have change and lving straight life. damn so foolish. why will gay man even dream of having sex with straight mna. that is madness. I have gays friends. i respect i love them as humans but i clearly dont approve the life style. I have heard gays wanting relationship with women. what a shame. some have hidden family but yet addicted to gay sex. Homosexuality is damn wrong and sin like any othe sin. they need help like any person with cronic addiction. Please dont mislead by suckers. read and learn the truth. Know the truth and you will be free

You are so wrong, so misled, it is quite tragic. Those gays you say have changed are probably bisexual, or totally miserable. Gay men don't dream of having sex with straight men, they are not stupid. Homosexuality, although it is not "normal" inasmuch as it is not the norm, is perfectly natural - it exists among many different animal species. I am fully informed about the science, and recent research has established that homosexual men and women are indeed born that way. If you don't like homosexuality, don't have sex with someone of your own gender. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and it is not a sin. Homosexuals don't need help, neither are they addicted. You really don't know what you are talking about.

Sorry, but you are not educated on this subject. We all start out as females in our mother's womb. It is only after a certain time period that hormones from the mother dictates the development of the fetus's sex. Transgender "males" that do not get a dose of testosterone at the right time, remain essentialy women trapped in a man's body. This is not my speculation , it is a proven scientific fact. Fetus's that get too much testosterone exhibit this in adulthood by having a ring finger significantly longer than their forefinger. Again, this has been scientifically proven. I am 100% convinced that homosexuality is not a choice, but rather a requirement of brain fuction that occurred before birth. Thus, I have no resentment or anger toward gay people. In my experience they are fun loving, kind, and decent people that have been forced to carry a heavy burden in this life.

You can choose the sex of your baby the method they use is to sort out the xx and xy sperms the result is 100% as to the physical sex

Can you post the links to the scientific evidences ?

Yes, i am aware of the misguideed attempt to choose the sex of a child. If I remember correctly, I read about this about 20 years ago?

Yes, Guys are born with a natural sexual attraction towards other guys. It usually is exhibited at the onset of puberty.

MoonLonn am sorry to read your writing. it seems your ignorance is cronic. sorry. Love Love Love all humans but dont mislead your accepting wrong as right. Read all about american researchers and that of the english researcher on this topic and your will be educated. Rational reasoning should be enough for you. Anyw have a read about this little proof. Even most doctors researcher who came up with the idea that homosexulaity is normal genetic have seen the light

http://fathersforlife.org/gay_issues/gay_gene.htm

I am sorry to read your writing. it seems your ignorance is cronic. so bisexuals are not born that but gays? do you really understand yourself. sorry once again your ignorance is cronic and our reason not straight.. Love Love Love all humans but dont mislead your self accepting wrong as right. Read all about american researchers and that of the english researcher on this topic and your will be educated. Rational reasoning should be enough for you. Anyway have a read about this little proof. Even most doctors researchers who came up with the idea that homosexulaity is normal, genetic have seen the light

http://fathersforlife.org/gay_issues/gay_gene.htm

I am sorry to read your writing. it seems your ignorance is cronic. your fictional proof of transgender very amusing. sorry man. So what about transgenders who have chnage to either sex and wanting to reverse. I bet your ignorance is very very sick one. Love Love Love all humans but dont mislead your self accepting wrong as right. Read all about american researchers and that of the english researcher on this topic and your will be educated. Rational reasoning should be enough for you. Anyway have a read about this little proof. Even most doctors researchers who came up with the idea that homosexulaity is normal, genetic have seen the light

http://fathersforlife.org/gay_issues/gay_gene.htm

You are clearly a spammer for an anti-gay organisation with no compassion for your fellow human beings. This lack of compassion is the real sin. Big strong athletes can be gay or feminine men can be gay. Feminine men can be heterosexual and beat your ass when required. Honestly, I must state that your understanding of the wide range of human emotions and sexuality is extremely limited. I have read many articles regarding homsexuality, as I was originally a strait laced conservative. But age and experience has brought me a small degree of wisdom. Would you ostrasize (sp) 20% of the population because they are gay? Because that is roughly the number of people that are gay. Whatever, dogma you are being taught is not consistent with the order to love your neighbor as you love yourself. I know that quite a few Current members are gay, yet I only insult them on their posts, not their sexual orientation. That is my choice!

Well said MoonLoon.

Moonloon i believe you misunderstood me. i wish i could share more with you to know my intention. i have honest love with gays. i hav friends who are gays. i train with them and in so doing some thought i was gay. the point am stressing is he fact that homosexuality is wrong. I dont hate the being. i dislike and disapprove the act. I have sat and have converse with some who said they gays but when they traced their obession ws all due to some weird experiences through sexual experiements. some said as teens their youthful passion lured them to engage in oral sex with other men and it got a point that it became a conviencing normal for them. have had sex with each other but you know they were able to reverse. If life was just all base on feelings then there will be standards. Dont get be wrong. i dnt hates gays. i disapprove the act

Who cares what you disapprove of and who you are friends with?? God actually only hates straight people and people with absolutely horrible grammar. Stop clogging my email box with your ridiculous notions of morality, you dolt.

Yes, the grammar is very disturbing.

Okay. We got it. You disapprove. I disapprove of bigots who feel the need to overcompensate for whatever latent homosexual feeling they have themselves by going on and on about how they have lots of gay friends, but totally disagree with their lifestyle. I wish you luck dealing with your clearly serious issues. I also wish your gay friends have much better luck finding people to be friends with in the new year.

Thanks Krag,
I was struggling to explain myself to this person. I am a heterosexual, with a lesbian girlfriend/wife, and it is difficult to explain the complexities of these relationships. I appreciate the help.
Moon

At least my friends know i honestly respect them and love them and i dont shy speaking the truth in love. It is a their struggle and i acknowledge that. We all have our shortfalls Any Wishing you good luck too. I hope you find true honest friends that will not compromise in doing and living the wrong but those that will be bold to comfront their own weaknesses too. shalom peace to you

lol sorry to hear from you. It clear Giod love all human beings and disapprove sin and wrong.It is not condemning if God should hate people with poor grammer. You sound like you addicted to homosexual sex and you offended becuase you cant stand the truth. I wish wish peace. I hope you find the light soon. I will be more clearer.True men dont give their ass for xxxx. True men dont xxxx other mens ass. Deal with it. I hope you find healing and your true self.

lol sorry to hear from you. It is clear God love all human beings and disapprove sin and wrong.It is not condemning if God should hate people with poor grammer. You sound like you addicted to homosexual sex and you offended becuase you cant stand the truth. I wish wish peace. I hope you find the light soon. I will be more clearer.True men dont give their ass for xxxx. True men dont xxxx other men ass. Deal with it. I hope you find healing and your true self.

lol sorry to hear from you. It is clear God love all human beings and disapprove sin and wrong.It is not condemning if God should hate people with poor grammer. You sound like you addicted to homosexual sex and you offended becuase you cant stand the truth. I wish wish peace. I hope you find the light soon. I will be more clearer.True men dont give their ass for xxxx. True men dont xxxx other men ass. Deal with it. I hope you find healing and your true self.

It is painfully obvious that you are in no position whatsoever to educate me on any subject at all. I have forgotten more than you'll ever be able to learn on this subject. You are sorely misled and misguided, and it is your ignorance which is flagrant here.

Actually, homosexuality often manifests itself in early childhood, long before puberty.

lucky you. You did not develop into a full grown homosexual. Thank mama

Lucky you. You did not develop into a full grown homosexual. Thank maama. It is ok if i can educate you on anything. At least there is onething you know and struggling to comprehend. Homosexuality is unnatural, it is wrong and homosexual sex is not the ideal form.

You know nothing about me nor my sexuality. You are being rude and obnoxious.

You are being rude, obnoxious, and offensive. Homosexuality is perfectly natural. If you don't like homosexuality, don't have sex with someone of your own gender, and stop trying to lecture your betters.

I don't know what I find more offensive. You backward ass views or your relentless cutting and pasting. I think we're way past the point of education here kriss...you're clearly not open minded enough to learn, and sadly you don't seem interested in sharing anything of value. You're bigotry is established and your over reaction speaks for itself. Please stop spamming.

Pardon me i dont know. what is your sexuality. Peace and love

You and I have been through this before, thoroughly, and I provided you with links in the past. I am not about to engage with you and your bigotry, ignorance and hatred once again, it would be a total waste of time and good energy.

wow why should i have anal sex with another man. if you can talk the honest talk about homosexuality homosexual sex stop talking about it. Dont pretend to be an advocate when you just not sure what you believe. We humans and not some mere animals. My friend had a pretty dog it was really sex maniac. It will want to penetrate anything even tress and car tyres, ball. I mean anything. That was how sex mad it was. it took really hard work to correct it to act right. We humans and we should know and learn better. we should not just live by feelings and instincts. We should also be able to reason renew our intentions to do the right. The clip is sent is nothing new. have seen it before. Homosexuality is not homo being. Homosexuality homosexual sex is false wrong sexual behaviour.

Male homosexual activity does by no means imply anal sex - many male homosexuals don't like anal sex and neither give nor receive it. I never said that you should have sex with another man, all I said was that if you don't like homosexuality, don't have sex with someone of your own gender. As for your saying that I am just not sure what I believe in, that is totally ludicrous. You are the one who is very insecure about homosexuality - this likely means that you are by nature a homosexual and cannot deal with that fact. Oh, and what I posted is not a clip, it is an entire documentary from which you could actually learn something - but you are obviously too frightened by your own homosexual nature to even attempt to learn from that documentary. Homosexual sex is right sexual behaviour for homosexuals, and wrong for heterosexuals. You truly are being idiotic and have locked yourself in a tiny cage of fearful ignorance. As I said before, if you don't like homosexuality, don't have sex with someone of your own gender, and mind your own business instead of trying to impose your insane beliefs on others. Finally, humans ARE animals - we are primates, simians, and we belong to the Great Ape group.

Do not delude yourself - there is absolutely nothing you can educate me about. There is nothing I am struggling to comprehehend. Homosexuality is natural, it is not wrong, and homosexual sex is the ideal form of sex for homosexuals, whether you like it or not.

Oh ok. so am homosexula now. if i am i will not be afraid to face the truth to myself that is wrong. Thank heavens some have changed from being homosexual to become straight and more are changing. So how do homosexuals act when they want to have sex? You just refusing to acknowledge the honest fact truth that homosexuality is wrong

homosexual sex is ideal for homosexuals rightly said. That is when we wrong become right.Bless your heart. have fun day

What you obviously don't know is that the suicide rate among homosexuals who have "become straight" is extremely high, most of them become seriously depressed, many of them go back to being who and what they really are (homosexuals), and the rest pretend to be straight but continue to have homosexual sex. I refuse to acknowledge the lie and untruth that homosexuality is wrong. What does it matter to you, anyway? Why are you so obsessed by homosexuality if you are not a closet homosexual yourself?

Hi How yur day going? I hope you well. Hey pardon me if i sounded unfriendly. I am not obsessed about homosexuality. I am more interested sharing the fact and truth. Those converted from homosexuality yet feeling sucidal feeling condemned and not accepted by their peers and some own their relationships. It is sad. I was just reading about some who have converted and have families and dont feeling anything about homosex. Some were sharing what they say is progressive change. I think we can agree to disagree. I believe homosexual sex is wrong. man and man or woman and woman sex is wrong. homo women even need to employ external instrument for real penetration. Sexuality is complex. Again we can agree to disagree. Any plans for your xmas celebration. Wishing you merry xmas. Hope you have lots of fun going on. shalom

You are not sharing facts and truths, you are trying to impose your beliefs.

Some REAL facts and truths for you:

http://www.alternet.org/sex/144390/going_undercover_in_the_crazy%2C_tragic_world...

This does not prove homosexuality homo sex is normal. so this guy lied tht he is gay when he is not. He is a confused person.I question his own motive. its wrong for people to mistreat gays and subject any to any unpleasant condition to convert. you shd also open our eyes and read about those that have converted without these harsh treatment. They have family real family they they married. soem even now pastors leaders. search and read about that. if you go cnn info you could find some

I never said it proved that homosexuality is normal - inasmuch as it is not the norm, it is not "normal". But it is completely natural. Some homosexuals are in fact bisexuals - they are the ones who have "converted", married, and have families. True homosexuals have never successfully converted to heterosexuality - trying to convert from being a homosexual to being a heterosexual is like someone with brown eyes trying to convert to having blue eyes, or someone with dark hair trying to convert to having blond hair - yes, one can wear coloured contact lenses, one can bleach one's dark hair to blond, but that only changes what one appears to be, that only masks what one really is. Likewise with trying to change from being a homosexual to being a heterosexual, one can pretend, but one cannot change.

You are tiresome, stupid and annoying, so please do not respond to me any more with your bigoted nonsense and ludicrous ignorance.

Hi why you always insulting. emm. well i appreciate that you get the point that is not the norm and not normal. I will not bother you again. have lovely merry merry christmas holiday.

I did not insult you, I simply made a statement of fact. You are the one who is insulting millions of people by telling them that what they are and what they do is wrong. Go away.

sorry to hear. we love gays people just hate when we try to establish wrong as right. All those medical proof from 1993 support gays has been proof 100% as false. read about. No one is born gay. there is no gay gene and simply put gay is wrong. the fact that you experiece sex with other men and you got addicted does not mean is your true nature. The fact that some loves blood and goes abouting killing does not mean that is true nature. the fact that somone so carnal enough to try animal sex and loves that not mean that is true nature. Sister some gays have change and lving straight life. damn so foolish. why will gay man even dream of having sex with straight mna. that is madness. I have gays friends. i respect i love them as humans but i clearly dont approve the life style. I have heard gays wanting relationship with women. what a shame. some have hidden family but yet addicted to gay sex. Homosexuality is damn wrong and sin like any othe sin. they need help like any person with cronic addiction.

Funatic Christianity is not natural it is a choice and there is a cure for it :)

sorry to hear. we love gays people just hate when we try to establish wrong as right. All those medical proof from 1993 support gays has been proof 100% as false. read about. No one is born gay. there is no gay gene and simply put gay is wrong. the fact that you experiece sex with other men and you got addicted does not mean is your true nature. The fact that some loves blood and goes abouting killing does not mean that is true nature. the fact that somone so carnal enough to try animal sex and loves that not mean that is true nature. Sister some gays have change and lving straight life. damn so foolish. why will gay man even dream of having sex with straight mna. that is madness. I have gays friends. i respect i love them as humans but i clearly dont approve the life style. I have heard gays wanting relationship with women. what a shame. some have hidden family but yet addicted to gay sex. Homosexuality is damn wrong and sin like any othe sin. they need help like any person with cronic addiction.

You are basing your ideas on complete rubbish...why don't you go fuck a pussy or something.

lol sorry to hear from you. You sound offended. You the truth. no real man no straight man is offended when told to fuck pussy. You sound like you addicted to homosexual sex and you offended becuase you cant stand the truth. I wish wish peace. I hope you find the light soon. I will be more clearer.True men dont give their ass for xxxx. True men dont xxxx other men ass. Deal with it. I hope you find healing and your true self.

You sound like you addicted to homosexual sex and you offended becuase you cant stand the truth.

There is an example of your terrorizing people...I am not terrorized because I know the truth and its not the garbage you are pushing here.

you very bold. you said it right

Which God are you talking about?

EVERYONE IS NATURAL BORN SINNERS YOU DOUCHE!!! WHY CRITICIZE PEOPLE BASED ON WHO THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO? YOU ARE JUST A RELIGIOUS, SELF-OBSESSED, JUDGMENTAL, HOMOPHOBIC PIECE OF CRAP AND YOU NEED TO STOP JUDGING PEOPLE!!! THEY CANNOT HELP IT OKAY?!?!?!? Oh and if you wanna go of the whole god, hell, religion thing then you are going straight to HELL with everyone else!!! SO FUCK YOU!!!

lol you glory in your ignorance. This is no proof supporting homosexuality.

Are you gay? If not, you don't know what you're talking about.

it seems easy to dump research that doesn't align with your thinking

You choose to be stupid.