Could pandas be an evolutionary mistake—or proof of an intelligent designer?
source: http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/05-could-pandas-be-an-evolutionary-mistake2014or-proof-...
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Dmitri_Molotov
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This is the time where I'm proud to consider myself a man of science and be humble enough to say "I dunno".
- 3 years ago
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Dmitri_Molotov
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s0und0FF
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Despite the facts that they laze around all day, don't have sex, and are very picky eaters, they exist because if they went extinct, the earth would finally rot and flake away from lack of cuteness in the world.
It's a fact!
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s0und0FF
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RossSlater
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"their apparent lack of interest in—and aptitude for—sex"
In captivity yes, as they get very stressed by the scents of other pandas of the same sex in the area.
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RossSlater
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Cuddlebones
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Panda's are the cutest animals in the world.
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Cuddlebones
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GeoffNI
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I love the picture, Panda's are beautiful. I watched a programme on National Geographic the other week on a Mother Panda raising her baby. It was amazing too see the Love and affection the mother had for her baby Panda
- 3 years ago
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GeoffNI
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alex_chesser
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Even offering to engage in debate about this idea of intelligent design is playing into the hands of the absurd.
Someone, somewhere, once said something to the effect of: the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world that the devil didn't exist.
In the case of "intelligent design theory" the greatest trick they ever played was convincing people it even merits discussion.
- 3 years ago
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alex_chesser
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J_Jammer [removed]
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alex_chesser:
Things that don't merit discussion are things people are afraid of.
Things people are afraid of are things people don't understand.
When people don't understand...then they rather not discuss it because then they don't want to seem foolish.
But those that don't want to discuss ID are not about evidence as much as they are being solely right without argument.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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alex_chesser
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alex_chesser:
Fear perhaps of wasting my time ...
By agreeing to enter into debate over an irrational premise I must first be required to make the concession that there is perhaps even the slightest possibility that the topic of debate isn't completely irrational in the first place.
Therefore, by entering into an "intelligent design debate" the victor will always be those with the religious agenda wishing to spread the message by allowing for the seed of doubt to be placed.
... it's spin, propaganda and manipulation of the public at its finest.
What's more - it manipulates the scientists own arguments against them - by twisting and re-using central themes that scientific philosophy is founded on. Things that they believe in so fundamentally they'd fear being denounced as hypocrites for failing to live up to.
"You must question and debate - it's your scientific law ... perhaps you're afraid?!"
Translation: "Chicken! Braaawk Braaawk Cluck"Unfortunately - by entering the debate the point of the irrational must first be conceded ... making losing it a foregone conclusion!
Perhaps this video will more clearly explain this position
http://www.youtube.com/v/TUee1WvtQZU - 3 years ago
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alex_chesser
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J_Jammer [removed]
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alex_chesser:
You are aware that there are scientist with lots of years of work under their belt that believe in a higher power...right?
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J_Jammer [removed]
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alex_chesser
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alex_chesser:
that's irrelevant
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alex_chesser
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J_Jammer [removed]
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alex_chesser:
No it's not.
It's relevant because you think that those that believe in ID are stupid and without scientific knowledge.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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alex_chesser
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alex_chesser:
That's a gross oversimplification and a fallacious argument - I've not said "they're stupid", nor do I think they are. I also don't think that they're without scientific knowledge.
However - I have explained why I feel it's not a debate that merits attention.
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alex_chesser
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Varex_Sythe
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alex_chesser:
Why are we arguing a religious belief against science?
Intelligent design cannot be proven or disproven at this point. It is something that people believe in because of a spiritual or religious influence. It could be wrong, and it could be right. Many scientists might believe in intelligent design, but many scientists don't teach or study it greatly because there is no point in doing so until it can be proven or disproven.
This would be like trying to prove or disprove the existence of quarks and other subatomic particles to egyptian slaves and pharaohs thousands of years ago. You wouldn't get anywhere because you would not have had means to confirm or defy the theory.
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Varex_Sythe
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kamalie
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DAMN those no good, self-indulging, evolutionary defying, goofy lookin' PANDAS.....grrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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kamalie
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MissAmanda
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couldn't you say the same thing about humans?
how did we survive this long treating ourselves and others and our planet the way we have and the way we do?
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MissAmanda
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Tommyjolly
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MissAmanda:
It is starting to catch up on us though.
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saverio
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I think pandas would be extinct without a little help from humans. They are still there because we wanted them to be a symbol.
The symbol of the conservation movement, the symbol of China, the symbol of diplomacy between rival countries (follow the link).
Pandas have no place in the debate over Creationism and Evolutionism. - 3 years ago
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saverio
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mookster_07
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Isn't god infallible? If the panda were evidence of intelligent design, wouldn't its design be more intelligent?
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Joe_Leo
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They're alive arent they?
If they had evolved into that, its clearly working seeing as they're alive.And Pandas spend all their sponsor money on cocaine, thats why they have white patches cause they roll around in it, and that is what the bamboo shoots are for :)
God must have a sense of humour to make the Panda like he did. But i'm pretty friggin sure God doesn't have a sense of humour.
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Joe_Leo
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rwylie
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I think the term evolutionary mistake is very poorly chosen here: evolution is blind, so it cannot make mistakes, or indeed make good decisions.
I n other words, for Pandas to have reached this stage without going extinct shows that they are adapted adequately to survive.As for sex, how do you think the ancestors of the Panda, who used to be much more numerous than they are today, procreated?!!!
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rwylie
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bfrager
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you're right, god chose the pandas. im sure its in the bible somewhere. just read between the lines. or make some up.
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bfrager
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kevinthedude
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bfrager:
arent they all made up?
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kevinthedude
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SDLN
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"If natural selection drives the formation of species, how did an animal that needs porn, Viagra, and sexercise to mate ever make it?"
They might as well be talking about humans.
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SDLN
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VegaNerDiva
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It is rather fascinating that Pandas have "carnivore"
teeth yet are herbivores.
Plus I know plenty of gamers that speak of the Pandarian race as if it were divine hehe. - 3 years ago
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Varex_Sythe
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VegaNerDiva:
Actually, Panda's are related more closely to raccoons, which are not carnivorous but omnivorous.
Besides, normal herbivore teeth are not really suited something as tough as bamboo. It makes sense that the front teeth of a Panda seem to have more in common with a carnivores. They need to be sharper to tear and cut through something as hard and fiber filled as bamboo.
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Varex_Sythe
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fuhleesha
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Aren't pandas an endangered species?
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Saladin
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Nice job posting the only part of this article that supports your dumbass headline, though I suppose the article is dumb as well.
Evolutionary mistake? There's no such thing. If a creature is fit to survive, it will live on, as pandas do. If you haven't noticed, they have an abundant food supply along with a low population. This explains their numbers perfectly. Sure, they're not very effective animals, but there also aren't that many and they eat a readily available food. Common sense.
And let me get this argument straight.
Pandas are fuckups, therefore an "intelligent" being created or helped them along? How is that intelligent design? That's "fuckup" design.
This article is utterly stupid.
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Saladin
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Saladin:
Grumpy.
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Dmitri_Molotov
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Saladin:
Correct.
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chadilac
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Saladin:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! (I agree)
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Saladin:
definitely
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