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CERN prepares to test the collider...this weekend

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A vast physics experiment - the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) - reaches a key milestone this weekend ahead of an official start-up on 10 September.

Engineers had previously brought a beam of protons - tiny, sub-atomic particles - to the "doorstep" of the LHC.

On 9 August, protons will be piped through LHC magnets for the first time.

The most powerful physics experiment ever built, the LHC will re-create the conditions present in the Universe just after the Big Bang.

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  • Valleriana
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      Valleriana  
    • This whole thing is huge but its totally wrong. Those crazy scientists have no idea what they are going to open.Its healthy for the ppl to freak out cuz there gonna be changes pretty soon.. The whole air feels different already and nothing's gonna be the same fron now on. There's no turning back and earth will become a living hell. You ll probably think im the crazy one but im not. Just w8 and keep ur eyes wide open, there will be night that ppl would not even sleep. Damn them! Some things are just not ment to be opened.

    • 3 years ago
  • Enjoy_Cannabis
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      Enjoy_Cannabis  
    • "The most powerful physics experiment ever built, the LHC will re-create the conditions present in the Universe just after the Big Bang." wouldn't that require a big bang in order for that to occur? I hope they don't blow up the planet.

    • 3 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • a couple more things. Al Gore actually was involved with these guys and got the funding pushed through to get this going. It can be looked up, but Im too lazy tonight after a day with the neurosurgeon.

      The theory about galaxies and black holes: They believe with good theory that black holes are at the heart of spiral galaxies (there are a few classes of galaxies, but I wont bore you with that), and are what causes the whirlpool look of those galaxies such as Andromeda and our own Milky Way.

      As for the news. This would never get anything but passing mention on any news channel. People just aren't interested in these things. Now if they can discover what happened in the space of time immediately following the big bang? That would be awesome but still lost on the masses. Maybe I should start an astronomy discussion and education website. I could discuss this forever.

    • 3 years ago
  • extremepain
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      extremepain  
    • Well we have hit my love here as I am a physics and astronomy geek.

      I believe if you do the right research, at some point in the last 5 years, I believe it was an American based collider that actually created a miniscule black hole that lasted in the pico second range. They cannot be sustained in a collider. Colliders work mostly by numbers and chance. They use thousands of particles pulsed at regular intervals in separate tubes then they are brought to a common chamber (for lack of a better word) to collide. More often than not, nothing even collides. But this is very important research and nothing to be afraid of.

      Being afraid of the nuclear power plants McCane wants, is about 10 to the 10th to the 100th more rational than fearing a collider. Unless they someday get a whole lot smarter and have a collider about 30 times larger than the current largest...worry more about a furnace fire. It's harmless and can teach us much.

    • 3 years ago
  • HiImGuss
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • They're going drop a load in their pants when that bubble grows to about 3' in dia. and starts shooting sparks and the gubenator pops out. Somebody call Sarah Conner.

    • 3 years ago
  • bubl_415
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      bubl_415  
    • I think we could have an exciting breakthrough. What is there to fear? Death? Becoming the next Atlantis? I'm not afarid to die anyway. How can we answer questions without experimentation?

    • 3 years ago
  • Beatrix_Kiddo
  • starr111
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      starr111  
    • This is the most exciting experiment in the world... man on the moon? Ha! But, the people who are "scared" are just uneducated on this experiment. Read up on it.. or try the History channel's the Universe. It simplifies a lot of these ideas. Try the one on Black Holes, or there is a better one. I can't remember it. Sorry.

    • 3 years ago
  • Kylsport
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      Kylsport  
    • Do not let your hearts be troubled. It was prophesied 6,000 years ago that the earth would not again be destroyed with water, but it would be destroyed by fire. To reiterate what Stephen Hawking said (whom is referenced in this experiment): Mankind runs a greater risk of destroying himself by nuclear holocaust than any other end of the world scenario.

    • 3 years ago
  • Beatrix_Kiddo
  • Beatrix_Kiddo
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      Beatrix_Kiddo  
    • WOW. i'm almost speechless......there's gotta be a reason this isn't all over the national news (the corrupted news) because it would most likely spark another red scare world wide....

    • 3 years ago
  • rightbrain
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      rightbrain  
    • I can't wait to meet my evil twin from an alternate universe.
      Oh wait, that was during a layover in Dallas Ft. Worth last month...

    • 3 years ago
  • kadugen
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      kadugen  
    • Old news... I saw this in Return of the Jedi. To make a long story short, the fighters fly into the center of the station through a narrow maze of pipes to destroy the reactor and rush out in just enough time to escape the ensuing explosion.

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • jahbini
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      jahbini  
    • I think it's better to go out in a cosmic flash, than to endure the slow moral degradation forced on us by my right wing brothers and sisters.

      Quick and painless.

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • ninja_tiger
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      ninja_tiger  
    • This is the most exciting experiment ever, so much for man on the moon....this is light years beyond wonderfull. I can't wait to see the discoveries that come to us from this accomplishment. Way to go CERN!!!!!

      Forget the ignorant fear mongers and dooms sayers....they need to project their neurosis on something ....Maybe this will help them in their evolution towards getting a clue.

    • 3 years ago
  • SonicSubculture
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      SonicSubculture  
    • I'm tired of all the nut-jobs who don't have a clue about physics spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about this project.

      We've already been doing this on a slightly smaller scale for decades, and the universe has done far more than this for hundreds of billions of years.

      I wish we could deny the naysayers all of the benefits we will eventually reap from these experiments.

      Those who say the earth will be swallowed by a black hole are the same people that thought the first nuclear bomb would "ignite the atmosphere."

      If these people ruled the world, we'd never have discovered fire.

      They're not "trying to create black holes" -- they're trying to split subatomic particles into their constituent parts. This process will likely create "conditions similar to those exhibited by black holes". Pretty big difference.

    • 3 years ago
  • saltygirl
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      saltygirl  
    • SonicSubculture:

      they're trying to recreate the moments after the big bang and to prove that the Higgs boson aka the "god particle" exists. I don't think I fall into the category of nut-job, I have a clue about physics and I still think it's not a good idea. The fact that one of the unintended but recognized possible side effects of what they're doing is a black hole shouldn't be discounted. Recognizing that this might be a dangerous undertaking doesn't make one a nut-job, it's called being a realist. The fact that the LHC was supposed to be online in November of last year and they are just now firing it up makes me more concerned that there may be issues with it. I'm going to assume that they're being extra cautious, but the entire population of earth suffering as a result of one wrong calculation would really suck, and I for one would rather that they worked these questions out on computer models than attempting it in the reality that we all share.

    • 3 years ago
  • Kylsport
  • extremepain
  • hollowman218
  • jjeziorski
  • SonicSubculture
  • seeker561
  • jjeziorski
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      jjeziorski  
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    • I'm all for "the sky is falling" type stories... But the science is pretty solid on this one. And by the time I submit this reply - the first photon beam injection test will have been completed and the physicist will either be a few beers into their celebration... or cleaning up an irradiated mess.

      Do your research - CERN is the REAL group who invented the Internet, sans Al Gore (sorry Gore - I love ya, but you're not a particle physicist)... and are responsible for all our lovely tech-savvy distractions, like Ipods.

      The alternate dimensions they speak of are dimensions in the sense that time is the fourth dimension... The theoretical fifth through eighth dimensions, the existence of which the LHC is attempting to prove, are simply ways of describing the behavior of dark matter, quarks, and vibrational energy strings.

      The two most exciting things that could happen with this are:

      A - a magnet is off-center and they punch a photon beam hole through miles of Limestone... and break a massively expensive machine.

      B - we have a new batch of unanswered questions about the most fundamental bits of the universe.

      But most likely - they'll just validate or invalidate predictions by quantum theorists from 35 years ago.

    • 3 years ago
  • seeker561
  • zealotohio
  • uroborus8
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      uroborus8  
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    • The Cern, in conjunction with the scientific community, has conducted exhaustive research to determine the safety of the LHC. The scientific community agrees that these experiments are safe.

      The following excerpt describes some of the logic they are working with:

      "Over the past billions of years, Nature has already generated on Earth as many collisions as about a million LHC experiments – and the planet still exists."

      "The Universe as a whole conducts more than 10 million million LHC-like experiments per second. The possibility of any dangerous consequences contradicts what astronomers see - stars and galaxies still exist."

      I am not afraid of the world dissapearing by our little experiment at Cern. I am thrilled and excited to hear about the conclusions from the experiement.

      Expectations indicate a completely new way of understanding physics.

    • 3 years ago
  • jinnaaa
  • saltygirl
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      saltygirl  
    • Prepare for the possibility of being slowly sucked into a black hole on our own planet, time slows down and none of us will even realize it's happened till it's too late.

      I was so happy being oblivious until I read this and have to deal with the possibility that I might already have ceased to exist and just don't realize it yet.

      this makes my 2012 preparations all for naught.

    • 3 years ago
  • CaptB
  • SDLN
  • Ayahuasca2012
  • Thomas_Morse
  • J_Jammer
  • Mihrab
  • natenate
  • Tommyjolly
  • Argon18
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      Argon18  
    • I heard reports that people thought that about lasers too when they were first developed and look how useful and ubitquitous they've become in everything from CD players to supermarket scanners.

      The LHC is nessary to find out about gravitons and how they behave. That will broaden our understanding of fundamental forces and be able to manipulate them just like we do with the coherent light in lasers.

    • 3 years ago
  • Tommyjolly
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      Tommyjolly  
    • According to some info on the web they are conducting 4 different experiments (those big 'machines' in the pictures) to prove several theories or similar.

      One major experiment is going to happen in the so called 'Atlas' experiment, in which they are trying to simulate the setting of fenoseconds (?) after the big bang (black hole - experiment).

      Through that they are expecting to find a 'Higgs Boson' particle, that just exists in theory at the moment.

    • 3 years ago
  • ihateyou
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      ihateyou  
    • cant they wait until after the olympics, anyway ill see you all in the black hole, oh yeah can someone bring some papers , im out

    • 3 years ago
  • zealotohio
  • stephenthomson
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      stephenthomson  
    • ugggh..... tommy you just feaked the shit out of me.

      I hope they know what the f they're doing........

      can someone tell me before we all get sucked into nothing WHY we they need to be "accelerating and colliding beams at an energy of five teraelectronvolts"???

    • 3 years ago
  • Tommyjolly
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      Tommyjolly  
    • stephenthomson:

      According to some info on the web they are conducting 4 different experiments (those big 'machines' in the pictures) to prove several theories or similar.

      One major experiment is going to happen in the so called 'Atlas' experiment, in which they are trying to simulate the setting of fenoseconds (?) after the big bang (black hole - experiment).

      Through that they are expecting to find a 'Higgs Boson' particle, that just exists in theory at the moment.

    • 3 years ago
  • Tommyjolly
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      Tommyjolly  
    • My brother is so so scared of this & I am as well.
      I've seen a BBC documentary about this some while ago.
      Apparently they are trying to open a tiny black hole for milliseconds.
      But what happens if even a tiny black hole succeeds all our expectations of the power involved in such an experiment (which I would guess, as some galaxys are apparently black holes)?

      I might not get all the facts right as I know next to nothing about these kind of things. I'm unfortunately no scientist.

    • 3 years ago
  • jjeziorski
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      jjeziorski  
    • Tommyjolly:

      Black holes come in all sizes, and exist in and around the earth constantly... Opening and closing all the time.

      There's something approximating one between the area south of the Bermuda triangle that seems to connect to the Dragon Triangle on the opposite side. One physicist has actually developed an animated map showing the growing area of reverse polarity in the ocean off of Puerto Rico (or Costa Rica - I'm horrible with Geography). When you stand there - you weigh up to 1 pound less than anywhere else on earth.

      It's also slowing down the Atlantic current, and the rotation of the molten core that gives the earth is magnetic poles... allowing all these tropical storms to pass farther inland on the Eastern US Coast... Kinda like in the Day After Tomorrow.

      THAT'S way scarier than anything that could come of shooting photons at giant detector arrays.

      If they were trying to open a small black hole - which they're not really trying to do...

      It wouldn't affect us much at all... In all likelihood it would close about as fast as it would be opened, without the energy and containment to maintain it.

      You know - kinda like in Spider Man 2 or Hellboy? Hee hee...

      Peace!

    • 3 years ago
  • Tommyjolly
  • pinkstarinite
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      pinkstarinite  
    • It is like watching a group of rich little boys and girls playing with fire works in the back yard. Eventually some one is going to get burned.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nuevarine
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      Nuevarine  
    • pinkstarinite:

      Ooh, good analogy. I hate it when 'scientists' and world 'leaders' try to enforce policies and practices, despite concerns of the people they're trying to help. You have to be patient with those who don't understand the process and explain it to them to gain their trust. Honestly, I'm not to keen on the idea either. Why don't we figure out how to dispose of nuclear waste, or something a tad more productive...?

    • 3 years ago
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  • damnneargenius
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