Palin refuses to cooperate with abuse-of-power investigation
source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate
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Palin initially welcomed the investigation, saying "hold me accountable," but she has increasingly opposed it since Republican presidential candidate John McCain tapped her as his vice presidential running mate.
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I wonder what she's hiding. Is this what reform looks like?
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Gephoria
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maybe annonymous can dig up more emails from her and send them with the timestamps as evidence
- 3 years ago
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Gephoria
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Krystol_Trice
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It is known that she fired the commissioner Walt Monegan. Palin says dismissed him due to poor work performance. However, she offered him another position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board (he turned it down). If you fired someone for poor quality work, why would you hire them to do anything else? I think she is hiding something and it's my opinion that refusal to cooperate with a supeona should be grounds for her to drop out of the election. She is obstructing justice.
- 3 years ago
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"Attorney General Talis Colberg, a Republican appointed by Palin, who on Tuesday said he would refuse to allow 10 subpoenaed state employees to testify, despite assurances from Colberg's staff last week that they would testify if certain interpretations of state law were agreed upon."
I just dont get it. If I get subpoenaed, I go...
Is this an "abuse of power" to avoid an "abuse of power" allegation?
It's mindboggling. Another LOOP.
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krag2112
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Crob is exactly right. But I think there is something else going on here. At the end of the day, even if she fired the commissioner over a family matter, she has that prerogative as Governor. And let's be honest...by most accounts I've read, her ex brother in law wasn't such a great guy. So why not cooperate? Why not do as crob suggested and just hand over the emails...or even just come out and admit that she got carried away because her family was involved and she was concerned about the welfare of her sisters children? Maybe she overstepped her bounds a little, but when family is involved, maybe that's understandable. Hell, I don't like her and I'd at least be open to that argument. God knows the right would eat that up with a spoon. So...why are they going to the mattresses over this issue? Why have they locked her down tighter than Dick Cheney's energy meetings? What else is there that hasn't come to light yet? What else is she hiding?
- 3 years ago
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krag2112
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You can't run as a reformer and shout from the mountain tops "Hold Me Accountable!" --- and then play the exact same political games that Bush, Cheney and Rove play.
If you are a real reformer....then you hand over every single email you've ever written since you took office and every Post-it Note too! No court order needed! You've got nothing to hide, right?
You don't suddenly claim that those emails are "super secret" and then claim your "too busy" to meet with investigators.
And claiming that there is a double standard for regular citizens as opposed to government officals?
YES! There is! And there should be!
Of course those people with access to nuclear weapons should be heald to a slightly higher ethical/intellecual standard than the guy working weekends at Jiffy Lube.
The guy making $7/hr at Burger King isn't sworn to uphold oaths of public trust, or has the power bind the US in international agreements, or has the power to appoint BILLIONS of tax dollars in reconstruction contracts, or has nuclear launch codes, etc, etc. He doesn't, but elected politicans do.
So hell ya politicans should be held to a much, much higher ethical (and intellectual!) standard in their political life than the rest of us.
If you do a crappy job at Wal-mart as a cashier, eh, so what? It sucks but the damage is fairly limited.
If you regularly engage in unprofessional, incompetent and illegal behavior as, say, an Alaskan Govenor....then that should give us pause before we give such a person even GREATER responsibility and power.
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aliasone
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If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Envi ronment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive
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petarro
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Jail Time!!!
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petarro
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These republicans are out of control and need to be arrested for obstruction of justice. This epidemic of refusals to testify is spitting in the face of every American today and every American who has come before us. It is truly Anti-American.
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menmykoko:
There is one America for the elites, and another one for the rest of us. They follow the rule of by any means necessary to get away with what they want!
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tanyetta
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Those shoes yet again are hideous!!
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rigellianaire
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she's a cunt, I hope a grizzly bear eats her face off
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stone246
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I don;t think that she is dumb in fact I think she is a skilled politician. but when it comes to issues and specifics she is unknown and she may not have substance to back up her vp nod . the McCain camp if anything will loose this election because of this one strategic mistake of not letting her out and letting her speak for herself. because everyone else get's to define who she is and she doesn't get to speak for herself.
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stone246
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Her dumbness and narrow mindedness is really coming foward. I hope America is watching as another peson as bad as Gerogie shows total disrespect for the American people and thier Constitution! This makes anyone realize we don't need another repeat of the last 8 miserable years.
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stone246
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jammer the more she refuses to corporate and reveal he e-mails, the more she reminds everyone about how George bush refused to corporate with congress and the many investigations citing executive privilege.so if she wants to be different if she claims to be the outsider and a reformer she should first abide by law let her story come out and with the press she has I guarantee you that if she comes out clean, she will be vindicated . unless of course she has something to hide.
- 3 years ago
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stone246:
What a load of crap.
Martha Stewart came clean and she wasn't vindicated...she was indicted.
Let's not pretend that reality is TV and that those that tell the truth who are famous are going to get a pat on the back and not the OMG I TOLD YOU SHE WAS VILE treatment.
People already have what they want to hear from her in their head. If she says something different, even if it is the truth, they'll claim liar because that's not what they have in their mind of what she was suppose to say or admit to.
I've only seen a sliver of the attacks on her on this site and it's enough for me to state that she made a good, but still damaging, choice.
There is no win here. No total win. This is already politics and it's more about perception than truth.
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stone246:
Martha Stewart was guilty. You analogy makes no sense.
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stone246:
Yes it does. What reason was there to get her in trouble than her being famous? You'll pull up what she allegedly did but where's the proof? The only proof they have is her statement nothing that would actually point to her physically doing it. It's all about who said what and when and had she not stated what she stated in a statement she wouldn't be in nearly as much trouble.
The point is that she spoke and she was not given any better treatment for telling the truth. The better treatment was because she was famous, but famous people deserve that for the crap people put them through with the paparazzi. It is the price of being famous.
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stone246:
dude what planet do you live in. famous people get treated so much better than regular folks in terms of well everything.
Martha stewart was sent to prison for of obstructing justice and lying to investigators during an insider trading probe into why she sold ImClone Systems Inc. (IMCL: Research, Estimates) stock in late 2001.
Granted I agree with you that Palin has gotten some negative media for her family and all. but as a voter as a person who believes in issues does this justify the reason she won't take interviews answer question corporate with the investigations. I mean come on, This is politics, you are bound to be hammered by negative press it is part of the job but she needs to answer questions , she needs to tell people where she stands on issues , she needs to address the people who want answers. I don't want a vp who is cool to hang out with or who is average I want a vp who is brilliant , who can make judgment calls against the president if she has a disagreement with him. why is she so tightly controlled from the media . okay you'll say that the media is biased McCain , Biden ,even Clinton had to go through this crap and she has to go through it to its politics and its the American way. so if she is clean and if she can tough it out like Clinton , Like McCain , like Obama let her talk for herself. let her make her case. because the more she is controlled the more people have questions let her go out and take interviews, let her take questions . imagine if you had questions of Biden and he was tightly controlled and you had no answers to his questions or Michelle obama was tightly controlled didn;t go out and talked to the media you would be angry and upset to. she is the vp let her speak for herself just like I can't know if she is guilty you can't know if she is innocent until she speaks for herself - 3 years ago
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stone246:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/05/stewart.main/
Stewart was found guilty by a jury. Your analogy only works if you assume Palin is guilty of something too. Of course making that assumption is easier now because she's trying to block the investigation and hide from the charges. See...that's what guilty people do. Spin all you want...but this looks very shady.
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You can't claim you have nothing to hide and then "plead the fifth". Well...you can, but when you do people are going to wonder what you are hiding. And as long as she keeps taking this position, then I think the questions are going to keep being asked (as they should be). That doesn't seem too smart to me. Unless of course she's guilty...then I guess she has to keep things hidden. But I'll ask again...is this how "mavericks" act? Is this what you would expect from a self professed "reformer"?
Or is this more of the same from the George W. Bush, republican play book?
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krag2112:
You wonder why Republicans don't listen to you when you might have a good stance? Because you use fear of OH NO....not another Bush...when that's not even the case. People are different from one another. This isn't Russia where someone steps down and that one that stepped down puppets the next because he just can't let go.
Where in history has that happened with a President?
America breeds single minded thinking. People want to be an individual here. There's not a lot of love for people that think like a crows and I highly doubt McCain and Palin are that stupid to be anything like Bush.
now they'll be similar because they are from the same party but to state they are the same is to try and use fear instead of using reason. Now are you not against using the fear of the war to elect someone? Why then are you using fear of sameness?
Don't tell people to not use war fear and then use same person fear in your next breath.
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krag2112:
Except I'm not using fear. I'm simply pointing out that Palin is acting just like Bush has when investigated for abuse of power. Refusing to cooperate and hiding behind lawyers. And all this after she claimed that she had nothing to hide. How is this any different than the situation with the fired justices? Or the torture memo?
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krag2112:
Exactly how are you NOT using fear? You are banking on people not wanting to have another Bush for 4 more years and is that not using fear of what is past to not reoccur?
It is.
You're better off, as are everyone else who wants Obama, to just state why their policies are not going to work than to state OMG let's not have another Bush. Because that's trying to instill fear not reason. You're giving someone fish to eat for dinner instead of teaching them to fish so they can feed themselves.
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krag2112:
I guess you can't answer the questions I asked. Stating a fact isn't resorting to fear. If the fact that she's acting just like Bush scares you...then that is your problem.
Rather than complaining about my factual comparison, why don't you call on the candidate to live up to what she says she is. If she is a reformer and is for more transparency in government, then this is her opportunity to prove it. Go before the investigative committee and prove your case. Go before the press and answer the questions. It's as simple as that. But if you don't, you really don't have a leg to stand on when the questions continue.
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krag2112:
The complaint of fear mongering by our government is based mostly on the fact that the fear mongering isnt based on facts, calling the McCain/Palin ticket the same as bush isnt fear mongering, its a good reason to be afraid. To tell you the truth Im afraid of Obama/Biden as well. Neither of the two parties will do much to change what is going on within our foreign policy or economy.
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regjoeschmo
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Stopping the investigation smacks of guilt. If a person is innocent it seems to me they would want that information out as soon as possible.
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Marilynn_Murray:
So it could be twisted by people like you?
Smart to not do that. She stopped it, most likely, because of the massive amount of press she's getting now. Even if she talked people would spin it.
Didn't you see the hate for her interview she gave after so many wanted her to talk? It mattered not what she said or how she stated it for the hate was already preplanned in many people's heads.
It was lose/lose no matter.
As is now...but at least she decides how she's going to lose it just like Clinton. She decided not to show up at an event. Showing up not showing up....lose/lose. But she decided to lose that way because it was better for her and how she wanted things to pan out.
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Just because you are silent it's not because of guilt. That's how police operate to get people to talk instead of holding out and not speaking. Not speaking is in their best interest because pleading the 5th is reasonable and smart until you are suppose to talk. Talking can only get you into a deeper hole.
I think people have one rule for the government and one rule for themselves. If it were themselves under investigation for something they didn't do they wouldn't be so easy to go along with it and be obtrusive but they are doing it because they are being accused of something they had not done. Government official does it and OMG they are hiding something.
I don't know if she did or didn't do anything wrong. I'm not going to argue that because I don't know.
I do know that pleading the 5th and not giving info out to investigators is a right people have. Whether or not that's going to stall an investigation isn't the fault of the person being questioned but the fault of the lack of info the investigation has to start with.
Why is it wrong to use scare tactics of war to get votes but it's alright to use them to question someone's character?
People need to use the same rules or not have them at all enforced on others. It's rather double standaredish and that's just disturbing.
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J_Jammer:
She said she would cooperate with the investigation before she accepted the nomination and suddenly now that she's the VP candidate the investigation is tainted? Sorry Jammer, but that looks shady as hell. She has every right to plead the 5th, as you say, but we have every right to question what that means and what she's trying to cover up. She said she didn't have anything to hide...then why is she hiding?
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J_Jammer:
Why does she have 95% of the current articles that popped up world wide let alone on Current within the FIRST WEEK she was nominated?
Biden didn't even come close to that.
You think people are fair minded after the VP nod? ha. Come on and get with it. Do you read what the articles are about and how they attack her for sneezing? She's not even a Presidential nod...she's a VP. I am not complaining for her on the attacks, but I'm stating is that now she's so drilled with all this "hate" that now going along with the investigation is a poor choice.
Why is that so hard to understand?
That's like Martha Stewart. She most likely didn't do anything that no other "man" had done in her position but because she was a famous woman they had to make an example of her for no other reason other than because they wanted to.
Had she pleaded the FIFTH instead of being "open" she would never have been in much trouble as she was. It's not the same for famous people. You are tried and judged before any truth is even seen.
You're proof enough of that.
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J_Jammer:
It's not always the crime, but it's the cover up that counts. And I'm not sure comparing her to Martha Stewart is doing her any favors. Martha broke the law...plain and simple.
Yes she is under intense media scrutiny. And the reason for that is because nobody knew who she was...Biden has been in the national spot light for decades. Once again the republicans want it both ways...we should admire her because she "didn't blink" when asked to serve, but we should all feel sorry for her because she's a victim of such harsh scrutiny. Sorry, but that's moose sh*t.
Either cooperate with the investigation or accept the questions that come with trying to block it. Everything else is just spin.
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J_Jammer:
Uh you didn't even read what I was stating.
Again that's why she made the right choice.
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J_Jammer:
Uh...yes I read what you stated. I just disagree with it. She is keeping this story alive every times she or her lawyers block a subpoena and when they try to control the investigation. If she has nothing to hide, as she claimed, then she would answer the charges and put it to rest. Dragging this out only makes her look like she's hiding something, which she probably is. She's continuing the story and it's really starting to take it's toll. Have you seen her poll numbers lately?
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She supposedly used politics to intercfere with her sister's divorce and helped with false allegations of abuse to gain the upper hand. I personally would like to see more politicians take a stand against corrupt family courts rather than perpetuate the problem or turn a blind eye. This woman is not what America needs.
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Ah, the change America has been hoping for! You see, this time, the corrupt public official trying to avoid accountability for abusing power and betraying the public trust is a WOMAN... because she has a vagina. You see?
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