Is the universe a dodecahedron?

cosmologists in France and the US are now suggesting ...
Suppose anyone can suggest anything.
I suggest anything is possible.

God plays at dice. Added to "HackMonsteRPG Dth&Destruction!" - heh -

S'good that the ideas are being tossed about by all of you lovely people out there. The more we question and focus on such specifics the more info that the Uni-verse will actually provide for us in regards to such topics/queries...I just finished reading a truly holistic book on immunology by Gerald Callahan. He spoke of the hyper-crystalline behaviors of water when met with hydrophobic elements in our cellular and sub-cellular structures. Got me thinking about the macroscopic discussion that has unfolded here. The dodecahedron idea could be similar to the microscopic cause and effect evident in our own cells' structural reflexes as it were...Perhaps our Uni-verse is this complex hyper-dimensional dodecahedron, manifest as a reaction to some currently unimaginable extra-universal force that repels the very substance of space/time into the fortress that is this super-stimulated geometric crystal.

Yep "The Tree of Life". Now that's amazing.
Sacred Geometry. Quilters know of this joy also.
Keep sewing ladies geometry calls.

If you guys really wanna learn more about Sacred Geometry, you should pick up the Flower of Life books by Drunvalo Melchizedeck. Happy reading :)

great link with lots of interesting comments! i must say that if the universe is shaped like a dodecahedron, then the earth should be as well. but it is not. at any rate, i think the universe is spherical, like our earth. how do i know this? fractals i say!

Let's put this to scale. The universe, as far as we can grasp it, is a single snowflake. We're living in a falling snowflake and our Universe's time span has just the same expectancy on that scale. There are more snowflakes than we can count and I'm sure other things outside these snowflakes as well.

What if our universe is actually a snowflake and one day we find that same snowflake in our own world and can analyze it. Would that be similar to when John Malkovich crawls through the John Malkovich portal into his own brain? "Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich". "Malkovick?"
Would our world cease to exist?

It's fun to think in limitless terms. The universe, defined as everything that exists in space and time, is bigger than our snowflake. To imply that we live in a snowflake, yet not add that that there are more snowflakes, and trees, and gardens, and rosepetals, and things that are not similar to anything yet defined, is a tragedy.

To say that it is just good science to NOT assume such things is not absolutely correct. You have to have theories. What more evidence do you need than the clues you find in insects, bacteria, and subatomic particles?

Okay, done.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but a flat universe is not used in the same sense as a flat Earth was.

And everyone should do some research on tortion physics if you liked this article. Great, interesting reading, very confusing, but I think it will open so many doors.

Didn't we think the world was flat at one point too?

So what's beyond this...dodecahedron?

cmon someone can explain better. are they implying that the big bang had an inner structure? or is it that the cooling down - freezing randomly favored a dodron structure. where is chaos/butterfly in this idea.

So if the universe is finite then what starts where our universe ends?

Alright, this is a question that has been on my mind for a long time:

Is there any way to calculate the approximate CENTER of the universe by measuring and comparing the rate at which galaxies are traveling away from us at different point in the sky?

Awesome! The Universe is a 20 - sided die!
Nerdtacular!

Well sure. What we're mapping out is a dodecahedron.
but It's still infinite. We're just a little snowflake.

The only thing I'm sure of is that the universe is infinite. Everything is infinite. No start, no end.

Chaos!

am i the only one tripping out thinking about space and its massiveness?

OK. Keep it coming. I love this stuff.

So we live in a dodecahedron, huh? Could explain all the dimensions, trapdoors and sharp angles of life. Still, what of the polyhedrons, prisms, spheres, parallelograms or more humble triangles and trapezoids? What of those hopeful factions? The dodecahedron contains it all. It is the geometry god.

Infinite Universes that are Infinitely big to explore in an Altered State. Yet some religious nutcases work their entire lives to spend infinity rotting in hell or sitting totally BLISSED OUT for infinity in some place with clouds and their friend. Only the ones they made for the short period they had on this piece of dirt in the middle of that Infinite universe. How bizaar is that for an Infinite soul to absorb.

Crop circles are made by bored teenagers, thats why they always occur in these desolate places. They make them by sticking a pole in the middle and using a simple cord to put down the corn. Variations can be made by adding more ropes. Very nice as a form of art, but nothing that leads to secrets of the universe there.

I would really like to see some sources on your statement claiming that 'the scientists of the world have been studying crop circles for ages'.

Could you also explain to me, in detail, what you mean by taking equations to the 12th dimensional degree, so i can have some real answers aswell?

Now take those equations to the 12th dimensional degree and you'll have the real answers.

The original article is very interesting, but your comments Mobius really don't make any sense, not even by a long run. And that's not only because you don't use any full stops in your posts.

ok, nephwrack, of course the universe in it's immensity cannot be contained within a 12 sided sphere, your right, but what has been discovered and to put it simply is that, the universe is hyper-dimensionally contained or rather kept in proportion by means of a dodecahedron like geometrical construct, the dodecahedron is not flat mathematically, it is a multi-dimensional shape, so don't think 12 sides and flat , try multiplying that by like the largest number you can think of and then picture it hyper dimensionally multiplied by the largest number you can think of .... come on brother this transcends 1 2 and 3 dimensional space here....

and as far as the physicists theory that the universe is finite , I think that the conclusion is quite finite on their part, I agree with you Nephwrack, I know the universe is infinite, I know because consciousness will always compensate for the lack of space if any, in creation, so because consciousness is infinite the universe cannot be finite....:) The Universe is Infinite!!! And So is consciousness!!!

Hi Nephwrack:

From the article: (yes, I sometimes read the articles) --
"Moreover, they show that the predictions of a model in which space consists of 12 curved pentagons joined together in a sphere agrees with the WMAP observations (figure 2). Their ‘small’, closed universe should be about 30 billion light years across."

think of a soccer ball. 12 patches. It is a dodecahedron projected on a sphere. Mmmm Sphere.

As far as infinite: at 30 billion light years, that's pretty much as far as a photons could go apart if the age of the universe is 15 billion years: and it started from a singularity.

I'm just sayin' -- that's all.

sort of like an ice crystal forming...nice post..very interesting..thanks!

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well this gives sacred geometry some more credibility

i always pictured it as a sphere... polygons are so contrived. 12 sides to the universe? gimme a fing break. i'm no hard scientist or theologist but i think somewhere between science and religion we've got it wrong. and i sure as hell dont beleive that the universe is patterened after any simple geometrical shape. flat? 12 sided? bah. i think the universe is most likely infinite.

I hope it is a dodecahedron, not only is it one of the coolest words ever, but when people ask where I live I can simply reply, "in a dodecahedron!'

This sounds familiar, Christopher Columbus once predicted that the earth wasn't flat and he was correct so perhaps the same is true for the universe.

That's an interesting perspective but I'm sure we will never know for sure.

Pythagoras taught that each of the seven planets produced by its orbit a particular note according to its distance from the still centre which was the Earth. The distance in each case was like the subdivisions of the string refered to above. This is what was called Musica Mundana, which is usually translated as Music of the Spheres. The sound produced is so exquisite and rarified that our ordinary ears are unable to hear it. It is the Cosmic Music which, according to Philo of Alexandria, Moses had heard when he recieved the Tablets on Mount Sinai, and which St Augustine believed men hear on the point of death, revealing to them the highest reality of the Cosmos. (Carlo Bertelli, Piero della Francesca, p. 60.) This music is present everywhere and governs all temporal cycles, such as the seasons, biological cycles, and all the rhythms of nature. Together with its underlying mathematical laws of proportion it is the sound of the harmony of the created being of the universe, the harmony of what Plato called the "one visible living being, containing within itself all living beings of the same natural order".

This is an incredible discovery because, I believe that Plato's platonic solids plays an integral role in the overall composition of creation, the cosmic relationship between the male and the female aspects, the microcosm and macrocosm of the Qabalah.

The star of David which to the untrained eye is simply two interconnected triangles is actually a two dimensional image of a 3 dimensional principle, the star of david is actually 2 inter-penetrated Tetrahedra, tetrahedra being the 1st in a set of the five platonic solids , this property has recently been found to occupy the centers of planets, contributing to the overall gravitational balance of the planet, it is hyper-dimensional phenomena, which has yet to be fully explained. But the 2 Tetrahedra depicted in the star of David are actually spinning in a counter rotating motion, one spinning clockwise the other spinning counter clockwise which I believe is emblematic of the centripetal relationship between the male and the female, you can see this phenomena depicted in the mysterious universal symbol of the ying and yang as well as in the swastika which is also emblematic of the centripetal rotation of solar systems. We now embark on a brief journey into sacred geometry where conventional rules don't apply, you can find hyper-dimensional geometry in nature, in flowers, shells and more.

for more info check out these links, you may also want to look up the platonic solids on wikipedia, you will find volumes of interesting information, that will lead you to a profound understanding of creation and your role in the universe as an infinite cosmic being with unlimited potential!

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/23009

http://www.librarising.com/space/dodecahedron.html

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