Green | October 04, 2008 | 59 comments

Earliest reference to (Jesus?) Christ found

source: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/10/01/jesus-bowl.html

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A team of scientists led by renowned French marine archaeologist Franck Goddio recently announced that they have found a bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century BC and the early 1st century AD, that, according to an expert epigrapher, could be engraved with the world's first known reference to Christ.
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59 comments // Earliest reference to (Jesus?) Christ found

  • desertcat
    • 0
      desertcat  

    • that does not mean it has to be the JC we all know. Christ is a word meaning Savior and was used to refer to Mithras, Buddha and many other gods. At the time JC was preaching there were four or five other Jesus doing the same tricks. Also don't be tricked by the church as we were in Veronica's veil. that turned out to be a fake along with many other things and saints. think before accepting, like the story of the Magi. We are told three showed up with gifts but the third one was added more than 600 after the event. Lies on top of lies to keep the people down.

    • 4 years ago
  • rabidlemur
  • J_Jammer
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • rabidlemur:

      There has been a negative charge in the posts here for weeks.

      I like the way you said this Jammer, the best....all I could come up with was negative chi/qi, or what-not.

      And then there is this whole argument if chi/qi can EVEN be negative? Some say yes, some say no.
      The people that say no, would say the negative is a block in the positive, allowing the negative to grow. (smiles, yeah it's great isn't it)

      Jammer is better at it.
      When people think they got "facts" as in are more "logical" their ability to get angry multiplies.

      To me it's scary, lack of positive energy? Presence of hate, or anger.. whatever... It's everywhere. Nearly every populated subject.

      Does this go away after the president is in office for 3 months?
      (shrugs) I wouldn't know.
      I wonder if this was Al Gore's dream?

    • 4 years ago
  • huntre
  • arcticspirit
  • Enjoy_Cannabis
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  

    • Christ means "messiah," so there's only a slight chance that it refers to Jesus. There's only a miniscule chance that somebody with knowledge of ancient (whatever language that is) would make a pot and carve the wording into that.

    • 4 years ago
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  

    • let's be clear, the jews were expecting the messiah, they wrote it down on a cup like greeks and persians and egyptians and everyone else did.

      it's part of their culture, myth, storytelling etc.

      no big peeps, actually sorta nifty that it is in such good condition

    • 4 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  

    • That is a beautiful artifact. Seriously. Doesn't anyone find the relevance in that they found an object that perfect that is from more than 2k years ago in such wonderful condition?

      Just because you guys are atheists, doesn't make it less beautiful? (BTW, my friends that are atheist would not have made any of those statements, and didn't.) If it were hail to the cat goddess, I bet you would be all over that shit being awesome. (yeah you know I'm right.)

      Seriously, this is a cool find. Take off your anti-Christ/hat and just be a person... and see it. An ancient object found.

      And no, it's not a fake, it's been carbon dated for heaven's sake. And because it mentions Jesus, or Christ, you guys descend like wolves to tear it to shreds without even acknowledging or realizing what is present, or does it scare you that much?

      Does it threaten your person?
      Your beliefs? Do you think it will make others believe in God more and change the balance of good and evil?

      Seriously, WTF is it with the God and or Jesus BASHING?
      Is current.com a hatefest or what? That is what it looks like, and frankly I thought liberals were above that.

    • 4 years ago
  • carligula
  • MizPiz
  • bekah_1984
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      bekah_1984  

    • "Christ" simply means "anointed one". So how is this proof that a man named Jesus (which there were several men with the name Jesus) lived? If I'm not mistaken, Saint Paul is the one who talks about there being a rival preacher of Jesus who was referred to as a "magician".So how does this link to the Christian's Jesus if it in no way mentions him specifically?

    • 4 years ago
  • khromadjo
  • Kamilo
  • the_night_diver
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      the_night_diver  

    • some of you posters are hilarious.

      you'll take an scientist's word that dinosaur bones are millions of years old, but when one finds an artifact that has to do with religion, even in the slightest form, and applies the same science, it must be made up.

      you're only willing to accept so much, huh?

    • 4 years ago
  • khromadjo
  • bekah_1984
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      bekah_1984  
    • the_night_diver:

      Well, there were a whole lot of "relics" made up when it became popular to take pilgrimages to the different catholic churches to see the different "relics" each church had "obtained". Basically it was all a scam to get people to spend money and visit your church. Some claimed to have the toe of John the Baptist or the head of this saint or the clothes of another. This is where the Shroud of Turin comes in because it is reported that there were a few different churches that had a "copy". So you can see why it is so important to prove that these things are either fake or have the possibility of being original.

      We know dinosaur bones exist because we find them everywhere. We can then "reconstruct" what they possibly looked like from forensic signs the skeleton, environment, and surrounding features show us. obviously these reconstructions are not going to look 100% like the original but we can make very good assumptions based on a wealth of information. With religious works, it is different because we now are including a realm of religion and both sides of the fence want to know if it is fake or if it supports their beliefs in any way.

    • 4 years ago
  • MizPiz
  • the_night_diver
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      the_night_diver  
    • the_night_diver:

      oh, i can completely understand that there are a lot of scams out there and you have to prove it.

      if you read the article, they dated the cup, and they were all expert scientists in their fields.

      what i'm trying to get across os this:

      those who believe in science are just as stubborn about accepting new (possibly) religious relics as those who believe in intelligent design are to accept the numerous assumptions that science has to make for their theories to work.

    • 4 years ago
  • ChristmasAsen
  • fauxsherrrr
  • arcticspirit
  • SDLN
  • fauxsherrrr
  • malathion
  • MizPiz
  • argyle_kitten
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      argyle_kitten  

    • Some of you know nothing about archeology. Much of its information relies on carbon dating, which calculates how old the object is based on its physical properties. You can't just "write on a paper cup."

      This is not religious propaganda. Right about then is when Christianity was really starting to gain more followers, so of course there's gonna be some writing about Jesus on a cup.

    • 4 years ago
  • arcticspirit
  • limitsnone
  • GavinTheMother
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      GavinTheMother  

    • Why do people on this forum find this controversial? Jesus' existence isn't what people mean when they say "believe" in Jesus Christ. Believing he existed, as there is ample evidence, doesn't dictate what a person believes about him. So someone found an artifact. It doesn't prove or disprove anything. Relax

    • 4 years ago
  • Kentworth
  • gnossos
  • aLittleBirdToldmeh
  • arcticspirit
  • deeblackangel
  • arcticspirit
    • 0
      arcticspirit  
    • deeblackangel:

      It's called carbon dating.

      A retard could have done it, but it would have been a about a long time ago, over 2k years.

      Now if I were mean spirited, and I'm not, I would say it was done by one of your ancestors, but I didn't. It was tempting. This place is getting really "dark" feeling.

    • 4 years ago
  • regularrf
  • Kentworth
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      Kentworth  

    • Damn, Everyone else who has commented seems angry or defensive, whats the big deal, archeologists find things that are old all the time. I am sure that some of you who have commented though must be experts in such matters.

    • 4 years ago
  • SDLN
  • MizPiz
  • SDLN
  • AntiFacistCanuck
  • satanskidney
  • MizPiz
  • satanskidney
  • heatX
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      heatX  

    • come on, that would be one of the only historical references of jesus christ besides the 'bible'.

      get real, it's a hoax.

    • 4 years ago
  • des10
    • 0
      des10  
    • heatX:

      there are tons of references to Jesus Christ outside of the bible. and I'm not talking about recent 'artifacts'. do some real research and you'll find that there is ample evidence for his existence, interestingly enough a large portion of it acknowledged by non-christians.

    • 4 years ago
  • bekah_1984
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      bekah_1984  
    • heatX:

      Certainly there are several references to the name "Jesus". But rarely do they equate to being the same person. It was a fairly common name. It would be like trying to reference a man named "George" in our lifetime. Do we mean George Clooney, George Bush, George Bush Sr., George Lucas, George Carlin, etc.

      If you can look past the the anti-christian attitude and just read some of the information in the following link you can begin to search and do some more research (if you want or care to) about the several different "Jesuses" and come to your own conclusion. (Please note that I don't intend to attack beliefs or anything of that nature. I'm simply looking at things from a practical point of view. The wonderful thing about faith is that you have to believe in something that cannot be explained or proven. Just go with what feels natural and the best for you.):
      http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm

    • 4 years ago
  • HiddenAgenda
  • argyle_kitten
  • ninepounds6
  • J_Jammer
  • regularrf
  • mcjones
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      mcjones  

    • it seems like anytime some religious freak finds an artifact from that time period it has some connection to Jesus, one way or the other.

    • 4 years ago
  • marcozarco
  • Eat_Disco
  • Picasso9000
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